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Re: Uckele treats GREAT BUY at Chewy ūüėä

Bobbie Day
 

Gail
They’re not very big, just little round pieces that can be easily broken. My little mare loves all the flavors. They’re soft enough to break in two.
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Bobbie and Desi
NRC March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

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Re: Uckele treats GREAT BUY at Chewy ūüėä

 

How big are these treats?  I am looking for something really small if I can find it.  I considered buying Charlie Bear dog treats which look like miniature oyster crackers.  About dime size.

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Gail Russell 8/30/2008

 

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Re: is ESC affected by hay curing?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Yes it was wet chem.  It's beautiful smelling hay and it is stacked looser than normal so hopefully it will be fine.  It will be interesting to see the moisture level in a month too.  Thanks Laura.

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Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Nancy
Sorry I came late to this thread. I found the Clouds were hard to get on the first week or so. Had to use a rubber mallet to tap them on. It was a bit easier with Curash powder liberally applied. I couldn't get the straps closed all the way across.
However, after a week or so of wear, and regular washing, they softened up, and the pad started to mold to my horse's feet, and eventually they slid on like comfy slippers and the straps did up all the way. After several months of use (mostly 12 hours at night), the pads needed replacing and the boots were a little harder to get on, but not that much. The velcro did lose it's stickiness after 3-4 months and I wrapped duct tape around the straps every night. I was impressed with the boots' longevity. The only time my horse lost one in turnout was before I realised the velcro had died and hadn't used the duct tape. 
I'd give it a week or so for the boots to settle in--in the meantime, the rubber mallet is useful. Make sure the hoof is clean and dry and powdered, and that you use the 'farrier stance' to hold the foot between your knees so you can use both hands to rock the boot on. 

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Re: Bella's Insulin has Increased

lynnc66
 

Hi Kirsten,
 
Thanks very much for your response, the information is very helpful.  Here are a few comments in response to your input, and also a few questions, please.
 
Getting the Insulin and ACTH retested makes sense, and I think I will do it before starting any Metformin.  And then possibly retesting after starting the Metformin (maybe a month after?)
 
To clarify, the Insulin was done at Cornell both in Feb and also in July.  The same July sample was also sent to BET, per Dr. K's research request.  In other words, Bella's levels from Cornell for Insulin were: 117.97 (Feb) and >200 (July).  And from BET 176.59 (July).
 
Bella is currently on a dry lot.  I had the dry grass in the pasture tested because I was curious to see the analysis, and possibly considering putting the donkeys on it after the neighbor's horses had grazed it down.  
 
When I collected the samples from the pasture, the grass had been dry for a couple months in the high desert here.  And I collected samples from 24 different locations.  For my learning, could you please explain what you mean by "I would caution you that your dry grass pasture analysis is not going to be representative"? 
  
Regarding soaking the hay.  I have held off doing this until I receive the test results for the well water.  Question please - if the water is high in iron, would soaking the hay in this water increase the horses' iron consumption significantly, thus having a negative impact?
 
Thanks again, your input is greatly appreciated.

Lynn Cox
Kern County, CA

May, 2007„ÄÄ

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Re: Uckele treats GREAT BUY at Chewy ūüėä

hmfox77@...
 

I saw that too and wondered if it was a mistake! It seemed too good to be true :)
I added them to my next auto ship so hopefully the price stays like that for a little longer. 
And yes, big thanks to whoever let us know about Uckele at Chewy!
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Heather F
Minnesota
June 2020

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Re: cost of cornell labs in covid world

celestinefarm
 

Bonnie, to send a reply private, hit reply, the reply box will open like normal, then look at the lower right hand corner. There will be a button there that says Private. Click on that to make the message go directly to the person you are replying to and not to the list.
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Re: cost of cornell labs in covid world

Bonnie Eddy
 

My apologies!
How can I send a personal email? Couldn't find it?

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Re: cost of cornell labs in covid world

celestinefarm
 

Bonnie, I think the list policy is no public identifying of personal veterinarians. 
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Saline, MI  2003

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Re: cost of cornell labs in covid world

Bonnie Eddy
 

I have used Dr Moss is the past.
Currently with Dr Cobb
Do you still use Dr Grove?

Hope we're allowed to mention vet names????
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veil and water intake

LJ Friedman
 

I never noticed this with compounded pergolide, or with the cabergoline , but the barn manager and owner seem to think Jesse was drinking less water for the day after his cabergoline  injection. Things have returned to normal and that was the only 1-2  day change and only a reduction not a total stop. Any thoughts on that? Certainly not a big deal I don’t think??
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Re: cost of cornell labs in covid world

Bonnie Eddy
 

L.J.
That's reasonable for around here. I'm in Temecula area just over the hill from you. I was paying more than a hundred over that a couple of years ago from the same vet you were using. Is it the same one D.G.? I have a new horse that I want to get tested after the rise is over. The vet I use now charges even more than that.
Couldn't find a private email 
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Uckele treats GREAT BUY at Chewy ūüėä

Bobbie Day
 

Thanks to whomever mentioned last week that Chewey started carrying Uckele products.
Just wanted to share that they have the four pound bags on sale for 4.95 !
i purchased a couple bags, nice to be able to stock up ūüėä

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Bobbie and Desi
NRC March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

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Re: is ESC affected by hay curing?

gypsylassie
 

Kirsten, as far as the ESC is concerned, I learned here that hay will continue to, I think the word is respire, until it reaches around the 10% moisture level.  During that process it may lose some sugar.   After that the sugar % will stay the same.   So I think maybe wait a month ? And recheck the ESC.      Was the test wet chem?
As far as the moisture level goes, it probably depends on different factors,  but I was told that the 18% and 19% hay I bought in 2019 was a big, solid, " it will mold".     I returned it and what I got in exchange ended up testing at 15%.  The high moisture hays had a very, very slight "I'm going to mold" smell when I opened the bales.    The 15% did not have that smell and it ended up ok.  This was last year which was extremely wet and I was lucky to get anything usable.  So the 15% might or might not be ok.   But if you open some bales and smell it, you may be able to tell.   If I buy hay that is recently baled, I stack it on its cut sides and stack somewhat loosely for better drying.   
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL


Re: is ESC affected by hay curing?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Martha, yes that is my greatest fear...the farmer said he probed every bale with a moisture meter and they were all less than 15% moisture but it still worries me.

Bonnie, I cored it 1 week after it was cut.  I was wondering if the hay might still have been metabolizing sugars and maybe ESC was still dropping after 1 week?  I could re-run the carb analysis on a new sample...how long should I wait to re-sample?

There is conflicting information online on when mold becomes a problem.  I have read it happens at 14-15%, or only over 20% moisture.  Do you remember, Bonnie, what your moisture content was in the hay that caused heaves?

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Kitimat, BC, Canada
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Re: is ESC affected by hay curing?

 
Edited

How long after the hay was cut until you took core samples? I wouldn't be happy with that ESC level for an IR horse. You also have the option to to take another sample after the hay has fully cured and have just the ESC test done. A single test is pretty low cost.

The problem with baled "damp" hay is the likely hood of it becoming "dusty" with mold spores and your horses breathing that in. Been there, done that. Horse developed heaves. 
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

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Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

 

When my deceased IR horse developed IR I bought the Cloud boots and they were good for a while. But I did notice that the front of his toes showed a lot of "wear" and rubbing. I found this business: https://happyhoofpads.com/.

This business sells every king of hoof/boot  pad material imaginable. I replaced the Cloud wedge pads with flat pads made of the same material. Initially I was hand walking my horse in Easy Care Clouds, then their transitions boots and then their regular easy boots. I was able to progress through a variety of pad densities and cut the pads myself from the the pads I got from Happy Hoof Pads. They have a huge selection of pad densities. Reasonable prices.
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

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White Cloud, Michigan, USA

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Re: is ESC affected by hay curing?

 

Hi Kirsten, 
My concern was about hay fires so I did some research and found that you’re okay in that regard at 15% but not at 20%.
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Martha in Vermont
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Re: Easy Boot Cloud Fitting advice

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Ok so after much debate in my own head...lolol... i am letting him try and break in the size 1.  I can see innthe size 2 pad how this may be an issue of stability having too much movement.  Check out the inside image of the pad.

Thanks all and Lavinia for your expert guidance.. wow who knew I could lose sleep over a boot lolol 
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
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Re: Just got lab results on both my Arabs.

 

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 08:10 AM, Ronda wrote:
my understanding is that my IR horses should still NOT go out on that pasture...correct?
Correct, Ronda. Not only do you expose them to the risk of high levels of sugars stored way down low on the stems. You also expose them to untested mineral levels that can make your mineral balancing irrelevant.
 
If you manage to get your younger horse into compensated IR range with diet and exercise, you may be able to put him out with less risk from higher levels of ESC. But you still expose him to the risk of ineffective mineral balancing. I checked my winter grasses many years ago. The levels of iron in my pastures were in the stratosphere. I no longer regret keeping my horses off pasture. Even my Paint with lower insulin levels <20 pg/ml is kept off our pastures because we're trying to grow new hooves -- into year two -- and our pasture grasses make all my work balancing her minerals a waste of time.

Nutrition counts a lot for the health of our equines' hooves. 

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
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