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Re: Test for ACTH levels NOW: Leptin

LJ Friedman
 


-- Thanks for the update. I only mention leptin because I thought it was something the group always advocates. Thank you
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Advice on recommended protein percentages in Hay

Shannon MacGillivray <shannon@...>
 

Hi 

I'm having a tough time securing low sugar hay, our local supplier ran out due to delays from the forest fires in Washington State, I'm on Vancouver Island.  Every time I switch hay (even to a comparable analysis & with a slow transition) it causes a flareup, puffy coronet bands, warm feet, tender soles...  I've just found a local supplier of local hay with great ESC + Starch numbers who has larger quantities and will store for me so I can finally get a mineral balancing done as well.  However, the lowest protein in the various low sugar hays she has is 12.84 and they go up from there, that particular cut is Starch 1.88 and ESC 6.80.  So, is 12.84 ok for the Dry Matter crude protein percentage or is it too high?  I've been feeding lower, closer to 10...

My case file is outdated, just updating now and will upload with images of feet, and latest xrays.  My vet said that she's got about 3-4 mares in her practice that are having a hard time with getting their insulin numbers lowered as my mare is though I'm feeding her very carefully and according to ECIR recommendations.  Last insulin reading was 232 (she started at 286, went down to 203 then 232) this was fairly soon after an accidental hay change...

Thank you!
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Shannon M in BC 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shannon%20and%20Lady%20J


Re: Leptin test and Timothy cubes - western Canada

Hilary McGregor
 

Pat - what hay ball did you get? I'm constantly looking for new ways of feeding that will slow down, entertain, and be safe.

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Hilary and Amika
Prince George, BC, Canada
Joined July 2019
Amika's Case History Folder
Amika's Photos Folder


Re: Leptin test and Timothy cubes - western Canada

Pat
 

My Canadian also eats like this. When I had her on self board, I doubled one inch hay nets - she could still empty them in 1-1.5 hours. I recently bought a hay ball which holds about 5-6 pounds. It slows her down a little.
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Pat
August 2020
Metro Vancouver BC Canada
Case: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Willow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253325


Re: Shomee passed this morning

Nancy C
 

Oh Kim, I am so very sorry. You absolutely did every thing for your sweet boy. Thank you for wanting to do more for those that come next. FWIW, when Beau passed, I pulled a slide of his liver, his pancreas and nerve endings in the foot.

Here are the instructions I got

Liver and pancreas histology could be helpful because of his high glucose. If he's iron overloaded the liver will show it.  I’d also consider submitting one of his digital nerves to look for decreased numbers of myelinated and nonmyelinated fibers (neuropathic pain change).

Will flag Dr Kellon if there is other to do.

Fly free sweet, sweet Shomee.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Stabul one feed- now in Mooresville IN, close to Indy

Amy
 

For members that are around Indianapolis,  IN the Old Country Store in Mooresville now carries Stabul 1 and treats.  Price is a little less than Chewy.  I know they do deliver for orders above $39 but not sure of the radius for delivery.   
Fyi.....
It has been tough for me to find it locally for a long time.  I went direct,  then found Chewy.  This is in my hometown so it makes it very easy.  It's a cute store with a little of everything horse and non horse related.   
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- Amy 10-2016

Mooresville, Indiana 

Stormy, Case History, Photo Album

 


Re: Feed recommendations please

Allison
 

Unfortunately I was told that I could not get the cubes in my area :( 
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Allison in Ontario 2020


Re: Rye hay?

Tucker
 

Dr. Kellon, I just talked to a hay supplier that has orchard grass/crab grass mix hay. He said it is low in sugar/starch. It is expensive - $12.00 a bale. Would this be a good choice? I won't be breeding my pony so would fescue be ok? It is a lot cheaper per bale. Thanks!
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Tucker and Indigo
NC, Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tucker%20and%20Indigo 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=80036 
 


Re: Shomee passed this morning

Maxine McArthur
 

I’m so sorry to hear this, Kim, my condolences. Thank you for thinking of other horses in your time of grief. 
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Shomee passed this morning

celestinefarm
 

Kim,
Heartfelt condolences on the passing of Shomee. The best thing you can do is talk with the vets at Davis about what they are investigating and what donations from Shomee would be best used. That would be a wonderful legacy for Shomee and could help other horses in ways you couldn't anticipate. 
--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Test for ACTH levels

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Insulin is always good to know because of its association with laminitis risk, but the leptin (while interesting) may not be particularly helpful.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Feed recommendations please

Allison
 

Thank you Dawn!  I have left a message.
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Allison in Ontario 2020


Re: Shomee passed this morning

Judy and Bugsy
 

((((Kim,))))

So very sorry to hear of this sad news. These darn horses weasel their way into our hearts and when they leave is we are heartbroken. 


Fly free dear Shomee and land softly. 😢
--

 

Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




EquiFeast

suewilliams@...
 

Has anyone from the group tried the EquiFeast supplements? 
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Sue and Elsa
California, 2019
Sue & Elsa's Photo Album:https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=86024  
Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Elsa


Shomee passed this morning

Kim Rice
 

Hi Group,

It is with a heavy heart I tell you that my 23 1/2 year old Missouri Fox Trotter Shomee passed this morning.  We have been together for 19 1/2 years and he was such a funny, warm, inquisitive guy and helped other young horses learn the ropes out on the trails.

He was in extreme pain yesterday and was rushed to UC Davis.  He arrived doctor said it is a 50/50 chance and I said to go to surgery where the doctor said if it had been later there would have been no saving him. 

His secum and small intestines were twisted, compressed and bruised.  They were able to untwist them, decompress and put in the right spots.

He was doing well until 5:30 this morning and looked uncomfortable.  They did lots of blood work on him and he was going downhill.  

Talked with the doctor at 8:00 and she went back in and called about 9:20 and said that the secum was sending toxins and blood clots into the intestines; that can't remove the secum and if we did a resection, the secum would still be there toxic.  She said the prognosis for a good outcome wasn't really good and that I did everything I could for him.  So, he is over the rainbow bridge with my Lacee Nine Clouds and his other friends.

My question for Dr. Kellon is, do we save the pancreas and biopsy and send in the results for science?  Is there anything else we should look at?

I know it is alot but with him there at a teaching university and I have done so much for this wonderful steed, I want to know everything we can for PPID and IR  and laminitic horses.  

I'll update his case history soon but not right now.

Thank you,


--
Kim R, Lafayette, CA  2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Shomee


Re: feed question post laminitis

 

I bought a variety of pads from the HappyHoofPads company. Because they have a variety of pad density and thickness available you can inexpensively replace the pads that come inside of therapy boots and riding boots. They also sell "Equine Slippers" that you can put pads into.
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Test for ACTH levels NOW: Leptin

Nancy C
 

Small heads up to LJ and everyone, that, due to inconsistencies when testing, ECIR is no longer routinely recommending Leptin.  We still have to be aware of Leptin resistance because it can dictate overeating and there may be cases where Leptin would be warranted for additional info. 

The website - ecirhorse.org- has been updated to reflect this info.

See sections on EMS and DDT+E.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Trailering to get ACTH and insulin test?

riggslippert@...
 

Judy,

If there is any way your vet can provide you with a vacutainer holder and appropriate needles, in addition to the vacutainer blood tubes, I prefer this method to using a syringe.  Another trick I use is having someone feed Timothy Balance cubes or forage constantly while sampling to keep the horse's head at the right and consistent level.  Good luck!
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Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet
Ruger Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Ruger

Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102




Re: Leptin test and Timothy cubes - western Canada

Hilary McGregor
 

Thank you, Kirsten!

I think calcium is not so much low as it is out of balance with phosphorous with AminoTrace+ in the mix. I've reached out to Kathleen for consult, so looking forward to her recommendations. When I put peas and beet pulp into Mad Barn's balancing program it didn't balance the need for protein and added too much DE. Wasn't an easy solution for my inexperienced tweaking and playing around, anyways. 

I've just started to introduce the new hay slowly, so not sure yet about tolerance. Have not started soaking. 

Thank you for the feedback on her body condition! I'm looking into getting her insulin and glucose tested. I might need to start another thread for this question, but I'm worried about risks of having hay in front of her for 4 hours as she might eat her entire day's ration in that time. Impaction colic risk? I'm curious what she will do with free access to hay or 4 hours, but also fearful. She is currently fed 4.5 lbs of hay 3 times a day and a fourth feed of 5 lbs. She finishes a meal in less than an hour. Slow feeder nets, even 1", do not slow her down much, if at all. Do I feed the new hay dry? Soaked? 

I just received a blood test quote from my vet that indicated "insulin panel" from IDEXX. It also listed leptin from IDEXX separately. Is this lab okay to to the testing? Should I request it be sent to a different lab or does it matter? Does anyone know if they also do leptin, or would it be shipped off? 

I know that consistent exercise is key and I always wish I could give her more. I think Canadians are a breed that do well with a job and could work hard for hours each day. Unfortunately, I'm at a desk all day working so I can afford to build a dry paddock track so she can get more movement! The irony. 

Thanks again for all the info and support!

--
Hilary and Amika
Prince George, BC, Canada
Joined July 2019
Amika's Case History Folder
Amika's Photos Folder


Re: Leptin test and Timothy cubes - western Canada

Hilary McGregor
 

Ha! Sherry, you called it. While Amika can be sweet, she's also got loads of personality and attitude! She has opinions and doesn't mind telling you about them!

Kirsten, interesting to hear that have been a few Canadian breeds joining of late. They are a lovely breed :)
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Hilary and Amika
Prince George, BC, Canada
Joined July 2019
Amika's Case History Folder
Amika's Photos Folder

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