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Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

Bonnie
 

Sherry, your quote from Dr. Kellon has raised a question in my mind. She said:

"Also important to remember the variation in blood levels could (we don't know yet) be important in interpreting your ACTH test results. If blood is drawn 2 hours after a dose the result may be very different than a sample from 12 or 23 hours after a dose."

My pony got his cp at 9:30 one morning and his blood was drawn the next morning at 7:30, i.e. 14 hours past the dose. I'm waiting for the test results. How accurate will they be? Has any research been done in this?


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Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Uckele Ubalance IR, Glycocemic eq and Ubalance Foundation

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

HI Dr Kellon, you had done one for me in early summer. I just got new analysis same hay grower, lower esc, but a little higher iron. CH is 99% up to date just need to add latest prascend for vinnie.

I will upload new hay analysis too. I would love to just use one of the mineral balancers and add the metabolic support if possible.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Markups, how to get them?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Cindy,

I am trying to upload mark-ups for Xena but her album is gone. Please create one for her so I have a place to put them up.

Thanks.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Target's trim

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kathie,

Thanks for getting those x-rays posted.  What jumps out at me is that her toes are too long now, although she may have more sole than she did as compared to March.  I'll leave it to Lavinia to comment more specifically but there's definitely area for improvement to her trim (as always seems to be the case).  She also appears to have some arthritic changes which I'm sure are affecting how she feels as well.  Were she mine I would not be putting clogs on her as the trim needs to be much more optimal for them to help - at this point I'd expect them to just be aggravating the stress on her feet which is why you're finding she's sore right after they're put on.



Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

nobigdeal@...
 

Thank you!  That's what I was looking for!  I'll spend some time reading.
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Jessica USA 2020


Re: Target's trim

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kathie,

As we have said here over and over again, the use of clogs or any other appliance will only help if the trim is correct.  As Lorna already suggested you may want to invest that money in paying somebody who can help you post your pictures and x-rays to Target's photo album and who can also help you update your case history file which will help us help Target.



Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jessica,

Ask them to point you to specific research on this as there have been several studies on the half-life of Prascend and I believe it's still considered 6 hours at this point in time.  You can read more about this here:





Re: Target's trim

Lorna Cane
 

On Thu, Oct 1, 2020 at 12:30 PM, KATHIE DORVAL wrote:
The farrier still thinks the clogs will help, but so far they have not. At $300.00 a set it is getting quite expensive to keep putting them on, only to have to remove them the next day because she is more sore
Kathie, Target's opinion is super important ( we know you know this) here. There's no percentage in repeating what not only doesn't help, but actually makes things worse.

Maybe you could use the money to pay someone to help you navigate your CH and Photos needs.
 
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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jessica,

There have been studies on the effectiveness of dosing once a day vs. twice a day but finding them is always a bit of hunt. However, searching the message archives for something like "split dose Prascend will turn up quite a few discussions on it. Here are 3 to get you started:






Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

nobigdeal@...
 

A group on Facebook often recommends to split the dose in half and give it twice daily.  They say it makes sense because of the half-life of Prascend.
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Jessica USA 2020


Re: Target's trim

KATHIE DORVAL <bokayarabians@...>
 

Target was not fasted, had been fed her normal ration. We did x rays Aug 4, Sept 1 and will do more Oct 9. I have copies of them and tried to send them to Dr. Kellon, but didn't hear anything back so don't think she got them. I am not able to post photos or x rays to the case history and don't even know what a photo sharing sight is. Sorry, I am so not able to do much on the computer. I know I would be able to get more help for Target if I could use the computer better. The only thing I can see as an improvement is that Target is still alive. She is interested in things around her, nickers whenever you go near. If I happen to leave her gate open she finds it and will walk out to try to eat grass, same if the gate is open into her daughter's paddock. I just need to understand what I can do to help her, I have tried so many different things. My old vet gave up and said to put her down, think of her quality of life etc. etc. She then passed over care to Dr. Bettina. I am determined to help Target, just don't know what else to do. The farrier still thinks the clogs will help, but so far they have not. At $300.00 a set it is getting quite expensive to keep putting them on, only to have to remove them the next day because she is more sore. I know the trim is important and we are trying to get it right. There has just not been enough foot to work with. The trimmer for 2019 kapt taking toe, wall and quarters and leaving the heels, turning her into a club footed horse. We have have to wait until she gets some growth to work with, and that takes time. This is the start of the 6th month with the new vet and farrier. It is all so frustrating.
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Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
Case Histories
Target Photos
Sweet P Photos
Addy Photos
Cherokee Photos


Re: Target's trim

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kathie,

Photos and pictures would go in Target's photo album here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78889&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0

To upload: YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE THE PHOTOS AND XRAYS ARE STORED ON YOUR DEVICE!
1 - click on the blue button at the top that says "+Add Photos"
2 - In the "Upload Photos" window that has now opened click on the blue "Browse" button
3 - In the new window that has opened navigate to the location of the photos on your device
4 - Select the photo you want to upload
5 - Click on the "Open" button in that dialog box
6 - You will be back in the "Upload Photos" window.  Click the blue "Add" button at the bottom

If you have an issue following these steps we need to know where you are having a problem in order for us to help you further.




Re: hay analysis and balancing minerals

Sherry Morse
 

Hi JoAnne,

For assistance with diet balancing you can contact any of the balancers listed on the Diet Balancing.pdf file here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing



Re: Uckele

 

When i get stuck, it is usually some small button you need to click on.  Like billing same as delivery location. or sometimes there is a stupid button for 'i agree...' good luck
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Diann Kuzma
One Hoof at a Time
Medford, OR
Joined 2018


Re: Thymic protein for itching?

celestinefarm
 

Cindy,
The product I'm using from Platinum Performance is not a Rx. It's a supplement. Dr. Kellon felt the product contained way too little Thymus extract to affect but possibly the DHA amount was what was working.  I really don't know much about Thymus extract, which was why I asked the question about it, (yes, give my horse something and then ask if the ingredients had research, LOL. Not my usual modus operandi but this mare was tearing herself up and my vet had run out of suggestions. We were not going to put her on steroids) . I tried this product because what I was using at the time was only giving me a 50% improvement in symptoms. It may not do anything at all for your horse, but I feel at least it would be safe to try. The worst that would happen is you would be out $$. Which all of us on here have done to one extent or the other. 

I would suggest rather than trying a human product , try something that is at least made and marketed by a company that has a lot of experience with horses.  I trust Platinum Performance as it was started by veterinarians and continues to owned and managed by vets . I also would trust Uckele but I cannot find a product with calf thymus extract in it for horses anymore on their site. I know they used to have one. They have a human product with thymus extract as an immune system supplement, but it is on back order according to the site until Oct 15. I have zero affiliation with either company, I'm just a long time customer( 30 years with Uckele). 

Sometimes on here members will recommend something they used that worked on their horse, but we don't have research on it.  As long as members state the circumstances as to how it worked for their horse and that it's not a fact it's effective but anecdotal for that individual, they will bring it up as I did here. 
If you want to try the Platinum Performance Skin and Allergy, it's in their online store to order directly from.  https://www.platinumperformance.com/horses/horse-conditions

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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: Target's trim

Lorna Cane
 

. Hi Kathie,

You said, "Vet came out  Sept 23 and hoof tested her and she didn't react at all, yet she limps when walking on it. I have trouble lifting the RF yet she will lift the LF and stand on her RF. "

Is it possible the pain is coming from further up ? Shoulder, maybe ?
Has the vet checked that out, or do you have any reason to think this is possible?

Just trying to brainstorm.

I know about your CH dilemma. But can you tell us what device you are using to try to get it up? And tell us the steps you do manage to get through before you get stuck?
One step at a time might give us an aha moment,yes ?
Agree with everyone that it's just so vital to see the whole picture in one place,in order to get  Target  the very best help .
 

Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Insulin still over 200

LJ Friedman
 

Remember, the next time you test for insulin at Cornell, have your vet write on the work order to please post the exact insulin number if it is over 200.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Target's trim

KATHIE DORVAL <bokayarabians@...>
 

The glucose is 5.9mmol/L range is 3.6 - 5.7 the insulin is 214 pmol/L reference range is 28 - 390 and the ACTH is 3.77 pmol/L range 4.62 - 11.66 Aug to Oct. The comments were "mild inflammation with slight baosphilia. Known source? Any resp concerns? Stress hyperglycemia. Insulin is mid-range at this time- may want to consider dynamic testing depending on clinical concern. Acidosis- Sample? Iron- could reflect NSAIDS. ACTH is within reference." Does this help?
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Kathie with Libby and Sweet P
Cobble Hill, BC, Canada
Aug 2018
Case Histories
Target Photos
Sweet P Photos
Addy Photos
Cherokee Photos


Re: Most Effective Timing on Administering Prascend Dose

LJ Friedman
 

which group suggests  2 doses per day?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Free testing for PPID in Canada.

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Val,

You can do all the tests at the same time, but you might want to be sure of what payments you'll have to make for both the barn call and the fees for the insulin/glucose tests as those won't be paid for by BI.  I know a number of our members have taken advantage of this offer before so hopefully somebody can chime in and let you know if they've done all the tests at the same time and how that worked.



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