Date   

Re: thrush!!

Sandy Gazzard
 

hi, yea I need to do the case history -im a toad.  im having the trimmer any day now. but prob due to the muddy track, I can remove the poos, but urine sadly no. 
many thanks
--
sandy
, joined 27th January 2020. location. Cornwall-England


Re: 2 months after initial laminitis episode

Sherry Morse
 




Re: Very high ACTH, no symotoms

 

Bonnie,
Question - Did you have either or both horses tested for insulin levels? High ACTH levels can cause a significant rise in insulin levels and possibly cause laminitis.  I learned that it just makes sense financially  to go ahead and test ACTH, Insulin and Glucose levels. Most of the testing expense isn't from the lab work, it's your vet's charges for their time, travel, shipping, etc. 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Very high ACTH, no symotoms

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Bonnie,

You've already received several answers to this question when you first posted it earlier this week:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/77423350#256126




Re: Riosa needs help looking forward feedback

hdavis
 

Hello,

I managed to touch base with my regular equine vet about Rio's teeth issue and we discussed some options to try to flush her mouth out as she still suspects something stuck in her mouth or food gets stuck somewhere as the day progresses making her mouth irritated. In the am Rio has no issues eating her hay or cubes, then at her noon feed she also does well with perhaps a few issues of licking and moving opening and closing her mouth.  When her 5:30 meal comes around she has issues with hay and prefers to eat her cubes and there is usually a lot of pawing, tossing of cubes and hay with her nose and general frustration.  Same with the final night feed.  I have been rinsing her mouth out before each feeding hoping to try to dislodge or relieve some of what is causing her issues.  I have not tried the garden hose trick yet due to the cold weather we dipped down into.  

As my vet cannot get out here today or next week, we discussed trying to get the local vet (40 minutes one way) up next week.  I have a call into him today to discuss options and see if he would be open to trying to look at her without sedation.  I have searched the messages and reviewed the files and have some questions on sedation.

Valium is the safest one from my understanding but based on our last experience with it which could have just been a fluke I am hesitant about trying it again. So if we absolutely need to sedate her would the best option be using dormosedan at a lower dose ie half the reg dose?  I also have rescue remedy which I would like to try first.  Are there any interactions with sedatives if the horse is on Invokana and any that would be better to use in conjunction with Invokana than others. As well she is on 2 mgs of Prascend and J herb, chondroitin and arginine.  I would stop the J herb a day or 2 before the vet came out. 

Thoughts?


--
Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




2 months after initial laminitis episode

W.phyllis60@...
 

I am caretaker for a 16h Tennessee Walker mare that developed laminitis early August. She is obese (fatty deposits at withers and base of tail and cresty neck) and owner had her on sweet feed as well. She had access to grass pasture but spent most of her time on a partial alfalfa pasture. At the onset I immediately took her off pasture and sweet feed. She was very sore so had her on 2g bute a day. She is now off bute completely. Initial trim after onset seemed to provide some pain relief but most recent trim, 2 weeks ago, she is very sore again. Left front showed some sole bruising and right front has separated lamina. She does not hoof test sore and has very thick soles. I have recently put her in therapy boots that I had for my own horse (old injury) which seemed to help some. Vet was out to see her and confirmed laminitis but owner refused to pay for radiographs so I’m trying to figure out if I am doing the right things...what else I can possibly do for her...is this typical 2 months in? She is on grass hay and has lost weight since being inside. She gets 20 lbs of hay per day. Should I be soaking it? Should I have it tested? Any advice or guidance would be most appreciated! I feel so badly for her and with my limited resources I’m not sure what else to do.
Thanks so much!
--
Phyllis W in OH 2020


Adding Mad Barn Milk Thistle to Scooter"s diet?

Rhonda Turley
 

 https://madbarn.ca/product/milk-thistle/      Any reviews?  It is a new product for Mad Barn.
--
Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     


Re: chickens in horse hay/ chance for salmonella with my IR horse

celestinefarm
 

Daisy, my neighbor's chickens a couple of years ago decided they liked to roam over to my barn. They would spend the day crapping on everything and laying eggs in the hay, which would end up either rolling down between the wall and bale stack or be buried enough in the hay that they would end up smashed on the hay and I lost half a bale to the mess.  My neighbors finally stopped allowing them to free roam, but one chicken refused to go back home and she ended up becoming kind of a pet. I kept her for about two or three months, but in that time, she learned to roost on top of Tipperary's stall wall, where she would vent into his water buckets.  Or down the wall, In the aisle , where I or others would track it into the tack room or my truck.
I found a home for the chicken with a friend who keeps chickens.  It took me days to find and clean up the mess they left behind. I would do everything I could to not have my horse around chickens.  I know other animals shed salmonella but chicken manure is not easy to find in hay, feed. You can't keep water buckets clean 24/7 with chickens roaming, flying and roosting.  Just my opinion but based on a years worth of experience. 
--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


High insulin again- metformin, mare cycles

 

Here we go again, only during the seasonal rise. I’d appreciate a review of the steps I’m taking to address Cayuse’s latest high insulin. Updated CH link.

 

On 9/11/20 I received the second very high insulin test for Cayuse in 6 months, this time 106.29 ulu/ml. I immediately started trying to syringe 13.5g of metformin twice a day, gave a ½ mg increase in pergolide and started soaking her hay longer. Soaked hay tests before I increased soaking times showed ESC of 5.9% 6.7% (two tests, same hay, soak time) and 4.9%

 

The results of a follow-up draw 17 days after these management changes: insulin dropped to 60.29 ulu/ml. ACTH is unchanged. 

 

Metformin dosing wasn’t spot-on during the 17 days until I found reusable syringes (silicone O-ring is the key) that I can operate smoothly with one hand. I know that Cayuse is now getting the full metformin dose. That didn’t happen until three days before the follow-up blood draw. We had a glitch the day before the blood draw when we missed the AM dose.

 

My plan has been to continue metformin, with another ½ mg increase in pergolide, and check insulin and ACTH again in the second week of November. That will be two months since we started metformin. I don’t see any way to know metformin’s role in reducing insulin, so for now I don’t plan to stop it. OTOH I’m not prepared to give metformin all credit for the insulin drop because Cayuse had a similar insulin drop in late spring without metformin. 

 

A new factor is that this year, for the first time, her mare cycles were noticeable and seemingly endless. When I checked hormones a few years ago, only progesterone was high. Is there any sense in rechecking hormones at this time of year? Could these high insulin tests be capturing the pattern of her estrus cycle?

 

Her insulin values are fluctuating in a bad way with a clear upward trend. Right now, interestingly, she looks good: body condition trim, crest smaller, bucking and playing. 

--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos 


Very high ACTH, no symotoms

Bonnie Eddy
 

Wanting to know if it possible to get a really high ACTH with NO symptoms.

1st gelding new horse has mild symptoms, he tested at 176

2nd gelding as he is 20, we just did a routine check to see where he was. His ACTH was 576. Absolutely NO symptoms. 

Is is possible to have a horse that high with no symptoms? Am almost wondering if the 2 were somehow mixed up? Was sent to Cornell.

Will start new case histories, both started on Prascend. Can't believe we've got 2 PPID. We've only got 3 horses.

Thank you,
--
Bonnie with Racham (over the rainbow) from Southern California, Nov/2016

Case History
Racham's Photos 
Ω 

 


Re: Compounded Pergolide instead of Prascend

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 06:19 PM, Cheryl Oickle wrote:
I deal with Island Pharmacy and they are awesome. It took time to wrap my head around the strength difference after we discussed it three ways between vet and pharmacy and me. Basically 1 mg of compounded pergolide mesylate delivers 0.7 mg of the prascend equivalent due to the compounding ingredient. 
At the risk of confusing things, both Prascend and compounded pergolide are pergolide mesylate.  Both are also in a base of some sort because 1 mg is the equivalent of less than 2 grains of salt, virtually an invisibly small amount.  Compounding ingredients have nothing to do with it. It's the amount of pergolide mesylate and therefore of pergolide activity that is different in some compounded products vs Prascend.
 
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Adding Jiaogulan to diet

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No, it won't hurt. Start with 1 tsp if she will eat it as a paste (most will) once or twice a  day.  If feeding with meals, start with 1 tbsp. Adding AAKG is for enhanced circulatory effects and won't help with the adaptogen action.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: thrush!!

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

ACV and clay won't get the job done.  If the cracks are deep, clean them out with gauze and water with Fairy dish soap then rinse thoroughly using a small syringe and a cow teat cannula. Infuse with a mastitis antibiotic https://www.farmacy.co.uk/categories/159-milking-cow-tube ,  Cover the heels with a sanitary napkin held in place with a self-adhesive wrap https://www.farmacy.co.uk/products/555-vetrap-cohesive-bandage10cm-each .  Repeat daily until healed.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Adding Jiaogulan to diet

Cheryl Oickle
 

As above.  I have noticed that Jewel is a bit more apathetic, depressed maybe since increasing her pergolide over 8 weeks ago. Her activity level  a bit slower, yet her usual interactiveness is great. Of note she has been stocking up a bit but this resolves with riding
I do not see any signs of laminitis, she still moves out fairly well when ridden, appetite great, weight stable etc.
Trims continue on a 4 week cycle.  Yes she is getting older (almost 20) but...
My question, a trial of jiaogulan I am considering.  Would it hurt. And how much should I give, I can only feed once daily.
My friend suggests adding AAKG. Is this necessary

--
Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: thrush!!

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Sandy,

This is where having hoof pictures and a case history can help us because while thrush can be related to living conditions, it can also be a problem related to hoof quality and the trim.  I don't see that you've joined the Case History group: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory but if you need help on getting started with posting pictures and a case history over there you can check the wiki for information (https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/16248) and let us know if you get stuck where you need help.

As far as treatment though what you're using is a good overall start.  I've had luck using Cephapirin Benzathine (which we can get here in the states in a product called Tomorrow from Boehringer Ingelheim which is a dry cow mastitis treatment) for really stubborn cases but if you caught it early enough you might not need to go that route quite yet.




Re: Urgent Emergency

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

I don't think it needs to be deleted, Teresa.  Cross posting happens all the time, it's not a big deal.  

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


thrush!!

Sandy Gazzard
 

hi, I  know thrush is not a lami problem per say. but it is just  become   big problem for me. I keep my mare on a bare track, I poo is every day , she was in very bad mud last winter, weather was terrible.  she didn't get mud fever ,and  no  thrush until the spring.
its only early altumn now and she is getting thrush in her heels -never had it there before, but its getting worse. ive cleaned hoof with cider apple vinegar, and applied hoof putty(clay) ive put mud control mats in the track where she stands for hay.  
I could shut her in  for the winter , but she needs lots of movement. I cant let her out in the grass,even muzzled .she gets bad f.f.l.( water in poos)  and it very at risk of  weight gain and lami. 
 I don't know what I can do. sorry for long post 
 many thanks 
--
sandy
, joined 27th January 2020. location. Cornwall-England


Re: Compounded Pergolide instead of Prascend

Cheryl Oickle
 

EXACTLY! So here my vet prescribes CP 1mg pergolide which hence only delivers 0.7 mg of actual pergolide + the mesylate part .
So crazy

--
Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Compounded Pergolide instead of Prascend

Cheryl Oickle
 

Yes that is the OTHER way of looking at it providing it is written out as that in the script from the vet.
Here, it is dispensed as 1 mg CP capsules hence the 0.3 mg difference accounting for the weight in the additive so inessence is ONLY delivering 0.7 mg of pergolide

--
Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Effects of long term high insulin levels

 

Thanks Dr. Kellon for your reply. He is on ukulele liquid E. I will make sure it’s on his case history. I’ll be going on all the recommendations you gave me. Thank you!--
Beth & Flame & Diana

NV Oct 2013

Flame Case History

Flame Pictures

Diana Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Beth%20and%20Diana  



7541 - 7560 of 260431