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Update on Vinnie

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi all, I just wanted to share a latest picture of Vinnie. By following all the guidance and diet guidelines Dr Kellon and you all have shared in this group Vinnie looks the least metabolic he has in almost 18 months.

We are still dealing with a bit of the veil trying to get Vinnien p to the 0.5 dose of pergolide, but I keep the faith we will get there.

His left front is soooooo close. We are still in a boot with some tenderness where there is bone proliferation on the medial side but he is able to trot ans canter a bit at his will.  Today he was a bit of a dragon and decided to drag me a bit on our walk so in the round pen he went.  

As someone wise once said, "It isn't about the destination, it is all about the journey. You all have been a beacon of hope for us in our journey to wellness and comfort and hopefully soundness.

I will post my latest rads, but the latest side image is in my folder now:)

Thanks!!
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: APF Primer for Newbies

LJ Friedman
 

The pricing are exactly the same. I guess I could contact them. I will
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: APF Primer for Newbies

Lorna Cane
 

It's made by Auburn Labs, LJ . Auburn makes APF, as you know.
Why not contact them?
No time right now, but I'm interested in finding out price, just for comparison with APF.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: chickens in horse hay/ chance for salmonella with my IR horse

Daisy Shepherd
 

thank you martha.  our barn is a shed row of 4 covers and runs so very open with hay stored at the far end.  owners have 18 chickens that  roam free part of the day  so i hope for the best . i do hand rake my horse area daily while horse is out for his 6+ hours daily, they seem to love his hay piles. so far he stays well. daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: APF Primer for Newbies

LJ Friedman
 

Woman in my town that works the horse shows is selling this product. She says it’s the same as the horse product. I didn’t buy it but I wanted to know thoughts?
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Re: APF Primer for Newbies

 

I’ve never tried that, Lynn.  Logo loved it but every other horse I’ve given it to seemed to find it offensive.  It’s important and expensive enough that I found it easier just to squirt it in the mouth and be done with it.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: APF Primer for Newbies

lynnc66
 

Hi Lida,

Thank you for posting this, as I'm planning to start 2 mini horses on APF soon, and this thread has been very helpful.

A question for those with experience giving the APF -- I'm wondering if anyone gives it in a carrier, rather than syringing it orally?
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Many thanks,

Lynn Cox
Kern County, CA

May, 2007 

Bella Case History   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bella
Photos, Bella, Destiny, Zoe, Pip   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=247665  





Re: Success syringing metformin

 

In keeping with Kristen’s tips, I also make whatever I need to administer into a paste.  I cut the top off a syringe, leaving a small lip around the edge and pack the paste in at that end.  I hate trying to suck up a suspension through a tip because invariably something will plug up the works.  I hadn’t thought about using olive oil but I find that if you don’t remove the plunger to clean it, the syringe will last much longer than otherwise.  Probably not as long as the silicone O-ring model, but I wouldn’t want to hack the top off of one of those.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Riosa needs help looking forward feedback

hdavis
 

Awesome!  Thanks so much and that was what I wanted to know.  I dont plan on hauling her but if I need to now I know.  Since she is not lame I should be able to start doing some ground work with her as long as no turns and what not and tight circles correct.  Want to start driving her or long lining her a bit, as well as doing on our hikes.


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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Success syringing metformin

kguest@...
 

I use a similar process with small differences so my experience might also be helpful:
1. buy that cheap coffee grinder!
2. I mix the powder with a small amount of olive oil and then add water to make a paste that is easy to syringe; this makes an amount of paste that is easy to give in a single dose (the oil is one of the suggestions I got from this list and it works really well)
3. originally I added peppermint extract to make it more palatable, but have found this is no longer necessary
4. the olive oil in the mixture seems to make the disposable plastic dosing syringes last a lot longer by keeping the rubber parts in good shape (like, months--I tend to lose them before they give up the ghost)
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Kristen and Jasper, Prince George BC
December 2016
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kristen%20and%20Jasper .
Jasper Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3346 .


Re: Higher than 10% NSC survey by Dr. Kellon

Judy and Bugsy
 

Great. Thanks Lavinia!
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: Success syringing metformin

Lorna Cane
 

You rock, Pat!

WRT stabilized flax....and I'm sure you're ahead of me, but.....have you ground the whole seeds ? I have noticed an aroma difference between stabilized flax which I have used,and the fresh ground(even several days old,controlled climate).If I can notice something,we can be sure our horses can, in spades.


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Riosa needs help looking forward feedback

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

The full hoof cycle is more for riding when they have our added weight plus tack, and are being asked to trot/canter.  If she's comfortable in boots I wouldn't hesitate to trailer her in padded boots or thick bedding if she needs to see a vet.  You can always take little breaks on the way to let her rest if you are at all worried.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Success syringing metformin

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Pat, have you tried freshly ground flaxseed, or flaxseed oil?  Just curious.  Even if it is stabilized it might not be fresh enough for her.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
Shaku's Photo Album   


Re: Success syringing metformin

Amadadelsol@...
 

Hello,
After using some tips and tricks with Metformin and Prascend I've also come up with some things that have made the daily medicating a bit easier.

The barn staff syringes her AM and PM with Metformin/water 30 min prior to her hard food (Stabul1). They wipe her mouth afterward. I also do a dose midday. I took 500 Metformin pills and poured them into my Vitamix blender which grounded them into a fine powder. Prior to that I weighed her dose of pills and got a gram measurement. After they are in a powder I weigh a snack baggie (accounting for each baggie weighing 1 gram) with the powder. The barn staff has one baggie per dose for ease of use.

She wants nothing to do with any of her supps (Glycocemic, TriAmino, copper, zinc, salt, E, magnesium, chaste tree berry powder, flax) so I cut her pelleted supps from Uckele in half and add to Stabul1 AM to get her adjusting to them. I am hoping to increase to full amount eventually or do another feeding of supps/Stabul1 for PM feeding in the future. In with her Metformin at midday I add TriAmino, E, salt, magnesium, chaste tree powder. I mix it all with water and form a loose paste. After I shoot this in with a 60cc syringe with a big hole cut in the end, I wipe her mouth with a wet rag, put A&D ointment on her lips and mouth corner and give her some Stabul1. I mix her 1.5 tabs Prascend hidden in a size 0 veggie capsule in with the Stabul1 and she eats it up. If she were to find the veggie capsule and refuse to eat it I would use a dog pill popper and get it in her that way. After that she usually drinks. She likes the apple/banana Uckele treats and one trick I have found that helps her eat her morning Stabul1 with pelleted supps is to add a small amount of the crumbles at the bottom of the treat bag over her food. That gets her interested in her food. Often she will require more than 1 cup of Stabul1 to cover up the smell of the Uckele pelleted supps. The only supplement I haven't figured out how to get in her is the stabilized flax. She absolutely goes off everything else if I attempt that. So she has been a little stinker but I'm working on learning patience and being somewhat satisfied about getting most of her supps in. It's not easy though because I want to know that I am doing 100% of what I can to get her well. 
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Pat and Frigga
Monkton, VT
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Frigga


Re: Riosa needs help looking forward feedback

hdavis
 

Thanks Sherry!  Yes  I saw that and I replied with a question as my horse is not lame and is sound.  What I wondered is there a time frame from when a horse had laminitis to when they can be trailered if they are sound with boots on or do you have to waist a full hoof cycle. That was what I was wondering about. My mare had laminitis at end of Feb and her insulin is currently well controlled according to her last 2 blood tests.  

Rio seems to be more herself today and I am now suspecting she perhaps got a split pea stuck in her tooth or gums as I noticed my other mare acting a bit the same today after she ate her cubes with peas and supps in it.  I’m sure it is irritating as would be like a popcorn kernel stuck in your mouth.  Think I might grind the peas maybe to help stop this in the future.

Thanks again for the help. 
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: apf and veil

LJ Friedman
 

Thanks for the reply. I am now at day four of re-introducing 20 mg of compound pergolide. And so far see no problems. I will keep your horse in mind when I assume I might have to go higher than 20 mg. As a reminder I switch to Cabergoline because my vet did not want to go above 20 mg and I caved in too quickly. This time I will stand my ground and get what I need.. Thinking I probably won’t retest until January with the rise’s end,  and of course will test sooner if things indicate it is needed.  thanks.  
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: apf and veil

Angelika Busi
 

LJ,

That sounds like a good plan. Just to let you know, my mare was recently switched back from cabergoline to pergolide too and while she clearly had a veil on cabergoline, she was perky and happy with her old dose of pergolide (21mg) from the beginning. I started her on APF 3 days before giving the first capsule but will leave her on it until she is fine with her new target dose of 25 mg. Just to be on the safe side.


Angelika and Qiqi & Apollo
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Angelika%20and%20Qiqi%20-%20Apollo/Quqi
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Angelika%20and%20Qiqi%20-%20Apollo/Apollo
NE Illinois
September 15


Re: chickens in horse hay/ chance for salmonella with my IR horse

 

We had a barn chicken for a few years.  She was the last of the laying flock and we thought she would be warmer over the winter in a horse stall.  She had her own box but after awhile we began letting her explore the barn and make herself at home.  She was very cute!  She made herself a nest from Logo’s hay droppings on the barn floor right outside his stall .  They didn’t share food so that wasn’t an issue.  But, when I think of all the other critters that share the barn with the horses, chickens might be the least of the problem.  Whenever there’s food around, there’s going to be company.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: chickens in horse hay/ chance for salmonella with my IR horse

Daisy Shepherd
 

thank you; i read those 2 sites that you posted.  my horse is boarded so i can only voice the info;  i do rake my horse area daily where i see all the chicken feet.  thank you again, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0