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I have a question

marcia <marcia@...>
 

How do you pull these capsules apart? My husband and I tried and tried? Priddy is suppose to get 1 mg a day now and we could not gently pull the cap apart.

 

Thank you

 

Marcia Miner

Sanger TX

 


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Marcia M
Texas
2020


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

 

What heartbreak, Allison. I join everyone here expressing my admiration for your devotion to Sonseeahray. I am so sorry. 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos 


Re: Success syringing metformin

Amadadelsol@...
 

Yes, Dr Kellon, you're right, sorry, cis-linoleic.
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Pat and Frigga
Monkton, VT
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Frigga


New hay test

Joy V
 

I got a delivery of new hay this weekend, with lower ESC + starch levels than I've been feeding, so very happy about that.  (I uploaded the jpg of the hay test).  

I have searched the files & messages today and prior to this, but my question is what are the percentages we are looking for in our hay for protein, iron, etc?  Is there a file I can read that will tell me?  I'm sorry for asking, but I haven't had much luck with my searches.  I get a huge amount of files, and have tried to go through them, but I'm still not seeing what I'm looking for.

TIA!!!
Joy

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Joy and Willie (PPID/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Willie
Willie's photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=242526


Re: Update on Ruger and pergolide dosage advice please

riggslippert@...
 

Thank you Martha and Bonnie.  Bonnie, I click on the link in my signature and I can see all of Ruger's bloodwork results.  I am a DVM and collect, process, and ship all of the samples myself.  He's had two submissions this year; the first in September had a lower insulin than in previous years and he has never had foot tenderness, so I did not resubmit the insulin in October.  Martha, in retrospect, I would called him symptomatic last year, as he lost a lot of topline and hindquarter muscle.  I did not want this to happen again this year and he had a convincingly positive TRH response test in January, so I think it was best to treat him and he benefited from my starting treatment earlier.  Hopefully, that makes my situation more clear.  Bonnie, let me know if you still can't see the bloodwork in Ruger's CH.  Maybe I need to do something differently.  Thank you!
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Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet
Ruger Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Ruger

Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102




Re: Star received her wings

Deborah Ide
 

So hard to let them go, but it was a brave thing for you to do for her. Thinking of you.
Deborah Ide

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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Re: chickens in horse hay/ chance for salmonella with my IR horse

 

Another drawback to having free ranging chickens round horses is the possibility of aggravating the lungs of horses who have breathing issues. My deceased horse Mouse had developed heaves from eaten dusty hay that was fed in a raised hay rack/bunk feeder. He had permanent damage from the heaves. Yes it can permanently damage their lungs. It ended his endurance career but he was very rideable for trails/pleasure riding. Then I had to start boarding him. The farm he was moved to had free ranging chickens and his hay bales were kept on wooden pallets in an unused horse stall, dirt floor. The farm owner kept the stall door open and the chickens would enter the stall and scratch thru the floor debris. The dust they stirred up ended up on his hay bales and it aggravated his lungs again. I actually searched for info about chickens and horses and found opinions from vets and barn owners that it appears the normal activity of chickens were the cause of lung aggravation. Thankfully the barn owner was responsive to my request to keep the stall door shut for the most part.

Just my own observations
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Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: 2 months after initial laminitis episode

W.phyllis60@...
 

Hi Sherry,
Patches is no longer on the Triumph feed. I took her off that and switched to Essential K at the onset August 1 per the recommendation of my vet. I plan to look for Stabul 1 to see if I can get her switched to that. She has lost weight on the 20 lbs of grass hay per day. I suspect she’s lost around 30 to 40 pounds since the laminitis onset. I’m not sure how to weigh her and I have no way to know what her ideal weight is so any suggestions on how to accomplish this would be appreciated. Maybe you will have a better idea once I get her pictures out there. I have a small indoor sand arena that she could be on but not sure how to block off a small area. She cannot be trusted to not be rambunctious since she is feeling better. I took her out of the stall for the first time in probably 2 weeks today and was hand walking her on the sand. She tried to rear and prance when my horse came to the window. I know a small area would be the only way to contain her. Absent that, handwalking in the arena would maybe work while my horse is outside? I will work on getting pics out there. Thanks so much for your help! I would love to have trim advice if we can manage that since I feel like that was a setback last time. Yes, she does have white line separation on the right front only.
Thank you!
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Phyllis W in OH 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Phyllis%20and%20Patches


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Amadadelsol@...
 


Re: Update on Vinnie

 

Nancy,
Thanks for giving all of us an update about Vinnie. I know it helps other members to know that it is possible to improve the lives of our horses and for them to make a recovery. 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Update on Ruger and pergolide dosage advice please

 

Aunna,
I looked at Ruger's case history and didn't see any blood test results. I urge you to get tall of the test results from your vet and enter them into his case history document.

I think it would be wise to include tests for insulin and glucose for any horse who has high ACTH levels. We can usually see physical symptoms for Cushings but high insulin levels often go un-noticed until our horse develops laminitis. It is fairly common for insulin levels to rise as ACTH levels rise. 

Has Ruger been tested for insulin during this seasonal rise? 
--
Bonnie Snodgrass 07-2016

ECIR Group Primary Response 

White Cloud, Michigan, USA

Mouse Case History, Photo Album


Re: Update on Ruger and pergolide dosage advice please

 

Hi Aunna,
I’m not sure what conclusions are to be drawn from the ACTH ‘pattern‘ you’re seeing.  If he were my horse, I would be continuing to increase his pergolide.  If you increase it to 3 mg and then test him appropriately and find it low, you can always cut back.  I try to test at the same time of day each time, preferably early in the morning.  Likewise, I administer pergolide before breakfast each day.  Is it possible he had some excitement on the last testing day, not that I would expect it to jump quite that much In response.
Many of us have found that 3 mg of Prascend were simply not enough to control the ACTH.  There is a database of pergolide dosages on the ECIR site but, due to some work which is being done on the website, I don’t think it’s available at this time.  My horse, Logo, would have been at the top of the list but when I switched him to cabergoline, it became apparent that the pergolide was no longer doing the job for him.
I have not gone back to reread you earlier posts to make sure there’s not something I’m overlooking.  I’ve seen it recommended not to test unless your horse is symptomatic but I don’t know if that might lead to erratic testing results such as you’re seeing.  Would you describe him as symptomatic now?  His lethargy and asthma might be less of an issue with better controlled ACTH, the spookiness I’m not sure about.

--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

tosborne@...
 

Marcia, I don't know what it would cost you to send it by courier up to Canada, but my friend, Angelique, makes beautiful jewelry from horse hair and gemstones

on facebook https://www.facebook.com/piskyecreations
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Teresa O in Ontario, Canada 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Teresa%20and%20Snickers


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

 

Oh Allison....my heart is breaking for you......I am so very sorry. May the good memories you have with him soon bring you comfort while you walk through your grief....sending hugs and prayers for comfort....

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Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Re: Success syringing metformin

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Did you mean cis-linoleic?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Squamous Cell Carcinoma

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

So  much sadness here today. It comes with the territory. The pain is in proportion to how much they were loved.  Very glad you decided to go all in trying to treat him. It wasn't the desired outcome but proves that was the right decision. No other treatment had a chance of helping him.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Star received her wings

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

That has to be one of the most beautiful tributes ever written. Very personally your story - and everyone's story at the same time. Your husband may have struggled to understand the why but he obviously understood the what.

The circling you described is a classical sign of a vestibular problem. With the history of it occurring after dental work/speculum use the most likely explanation by far is temporohyoid osteoarthropathy: https://www.vetfolio.com/learn/article/vestibular-disease-temporohyoid-osteoarthropathy .

Given her history, it's not likely her pituitary was enlarged enough to be putting pressure on the brainstem. Even if it  was, the area under the pituitary is the optic chiasm and pressure causes blindness. The vestibular nuclei are located  much further down.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: 2 months after initial laminitis episode

Sherry Morse
 


To do that:
1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for the window that has your signature in it

3) Add the link to your case history folder and make sure you make it "live". Adding a space after your link or hitting enter on your keyboard will turn it blue.

4) IMPORTANT: Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!

That way we can easily find this information.  Once you add pictures you'll update your signature again the same way.


If you have a dry lot and Patches is comfortable moving around there's no reason that she can't be let out to move about as she wants UNLESS she's acting up and doing herself more damage because she's feeling so much better.  In that case we recommend a smaller area but movement is really helpful to keep circulation going, decrease other soundness issues and even some movement can help with weight loss as needed. 

As far as the current feeding program - without knowing her ideal and current weight there's no way for us to know if 20lbs is enough, too much or too little.  If she needs to lose more weight and she's losing it on that amount then it's probably ok.  If she's not losing weight and needs to, then she needs less...

Is she still being fed the Triumph and the Essential K?  At 8% fat and 33% Sugar + starch the Triumph would blow the feet off most horses on this group (if not most horses in general) so if she's even possibly IR that shouldn't be fed.  The Essential K is also unsuitable for a suspected IR horse with a sugar+starch of 12.5% and a fat content of 6% so she should be off of that as well. 

If you could post trim pictures ASAP Lavinia may be able to get you markups before the next farrier visit.  I would guess you're seeing white line separation in her foot?




Re: Success syringing metformin

Amadadelsol@...
 

Thank you for the thoughts on flax. I found extremely high quality soft gel capsules. Each one has 1000 mg organic, cold expeller pressed oil. Each also contains 550 mg ALA, 150 mg cis-linolenic acid, and 140 mg Oleic acid. Frigga is about 825 lbs. How many capsules would she get per day? Thank you!!
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Pat and Frigga
Monkton, VT
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741  

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Frigga


Horsehair jewelry (was Re: [ECIR] Squamous Cell Carcinoma)

Sherry Morse
 

This is a tad off topic but Marcia there are a number of people who do this - "horsehair jewelry" as a Google search will give you tons of options.  We have a local woman nearby who does some amazing work but after almost 3 years I've managed to get the bag with Scarlet's mane and tail into the car (from the trunk where it was being stored) and I haven't gotten further than that. 



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