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riggslippert@...
 

Hello,

As Thanksgiving is celebrated in the US, I hope it's not inappropriate to communicate to this community how grateful I am for its support and knowledge.  I know Dr. Kellon and the moderators work tirelessly to help us help our horses.  Happy Thanksgiving to all!  Stay safe and well.
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Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet
Ruger Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Ruger

Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102




Re: Skewing test results

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just shipping her is enough to skew the results and with everything else going on I wouldn't bother right now. Check her endocrine levels when she is home and relaxed.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Winter hay arrived and results are back.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

To reduce iron, simply shaking vigorously or dunking rather than soaking usually works better. You get a free balancing with the course so you can send me the information if you like.

Preview: This hay also has a dangerously inverted calcium:phosphorus ratio. You can decide later whether you want to attach that with supplemental calcium or a high calcium feed, or a combination but for now for every 20 to 22 lbs of hay reduce the hay to 15 pounds and feed 2.5 to 3 lbs (dry weight) of soaked beet pulp to balance that out.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Winter hay arrived and results are back.

Laura and Ero
 

Dr Kellon, great news on reduced sugars - thanks for the clarification on the data columns (using the % “as sampled”). Will soaking help reduce the high iron as well - or not worth the hassle? 


Hoping his current feed is helping with increased copper/zinc (for now, it was a step in better direction). I’ll look to balance the minerals more specifically after getting the other two hay samples back and picking the best hay option. (That timing might align with the Dec NRC+ class.)

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Laura and Ero

October 2020 | Colgate, WI USA 

Ero Case History

Ero Photo Album


Skewing test results

Kandace Krause
 

I have to get "K" to vet today and because she ha hit or stuck her head into something, causing some large bumps and extreme difficulty in chewing her hay. (as a result she has been given unanalyzed soaked timothy ochard grass cubes just for a little bit of food in her system, hay is quidded so I am not sure if she actually eats any, but little has been disappeared so not much gone into horse.)
The question is, If test results are skewed by laminitis, as per her original results, biotin supplements, as per notice sent by Dr. Kellon will results be skewed by this obviousdly painful and stressful(because of hunger) situation?  
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: FREE FECAL WATER SYNDROME - also WAS: Dr. K Blog On Hay Belly - Could Relevante Have This?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Dawn,

Yes, you can give them together. Not sure what to tell you about tests.  What did you have in mind?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Thoughts on these products..

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

If you can store a 3 month supply of hay it's worth testing it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Technical help

Kandace Krause
 

Appears to be there now, thanks so much, Maxine.  Now I am going to ask a real question :-)
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: Moderately high nitrates in hay. What to do...

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

That 40% guideline is for cattle, which are more sensitive to nitrate poisoning than horses. However, potential non-fatal effects from lower levels like yours include interference with thyroid function, hoof pain and reduced exercise tolerance. You can protect the thyroid by doubling or tripling iodine intake but iodine won't influence the other problems.  Your easiest solution may be to see if the dealer will exchange half of it for Bermuda. Ask him what strain of Bermuda it is. If not coastal, there's no link to impaction.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Worming Options

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You can't always tell. That's why twice yearly ivermectin or moxidectin plus praziquantel is a typical minimal deworming schedule for adults.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Moderately high nitrates in hay. What to do...

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Personally, I take an If-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it approach to supplements. A nutritionally solid diet and exercise is the foundation. A case can also be made for joint supplements prophylactically. Beyond that, "as needed". You don't have to compensate for age per se. Diet and exercise are your most potent weapons there.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Hay Test

Amadadelsol@...
 

Thank you for the clarification, Linda K. That’s what I thought but after reading Dr K’s response I was confused and had a momentary panic thinking I had used the wrong numbers! Phew!

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Pat and Frigga
Monkton, VT
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741 )

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Frigga


Re: FREE FECAL WATER SYNDROME - also WAS: Dr. K Blog On Hay Belly - Could Relevante Have This?

llkeach50
 

I wanted to chime in and mention that UCKELE Absorb All really helped my chronic diarrhea horse firm up within days. It is the only thing that has ever helped, especially during the change over from first cut to second cut.

Linda K.
NY since 2003


Re: FREE FECAL WATER SYNDROME - also WAS: Dr. K Blog On Hay Belly - Could Relevante Have This?

coffincomplex@...
 

Dawn, regarding your mare's poor topline, in a quick look at your diet it looks like it may not contain enough protein for a broodmare, especially when she is lactating (although her foal is getting older now). Is this her diet full time?
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Alanna
May 2018
Los Angeles, CA
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .


Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management

LJ Friedman
 

Thanks for the reply. Both of my horses are in top shape. I just thought it would be something to use for compensating for old age. Is it too strong of an item for that purpose?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Moderately high nitrates in hay. What to do...

LJ Friedman
 

I don’t like the Bermuda option. I’ve read that switching to Bermuda can cause colic and impaction problems.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Worming Options

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Carlye. Thanks for fixing your signature! 
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: Worming Options

Carlye
 

What would you suggest in order to see what she might require, Dr. Kellon?
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Carlye
Ontario, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jolene 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=256885


Re: Worming Options

Carlye
 

Thank you for all the information!  I am pretty sure I fixed the signature. 
I am still working on gathering all of the information I need to really get her rolling on the road to recovery.  I was so glad to be able to find all this information in one spot.  It was actually the ECIR website that spurred me to get her blood tested after the puffiness above her eyes appeared shortly after the laminitic episode this fall.  It's wonderful to see so many people coming together to support each other and their horses!  


Carlye
Ontario, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jolene 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=256885

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