Appears to be there now, thanks so much, Maxine.  Now I am going to ask a real question :-)
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K

That 40% guideline is for cattle, which are more sensitive to nitrate poisoning than horses. However, potential non-fatal effects from lower levels like yours include interference with thyroid function, hoof pain and reduced exercise tolerance. You can protect the thyroid by doubling or tripling iodine intake but iodine won't influence the other problems.  Your easiest solution may be to see if the dealer will exchange half of it for Bermuda. Ask him what strain of Bermuda it is. If not coastal, there's no link to impaction.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

You can't always tell. That's why twice yearly ivermectin or moxidectin plus praziquantel is a typical minimal deworming schedule for adults.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257972?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,bermuda+%2B+eleanor,20,2,0,78379917
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Personally, I take an If-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it approach to supplements. A nutritionally solid diet and exercise is the foundation. A case can also be made for joint supplements prophylactically. Beyond that, "as needed". You don't have to compensate for age per se. Diet and exercise are your most potent weapons there.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Thank you for the clarification, Linda K. That’s what I thought but after reading Dr K’s response I was confused and had a momentary panic thinking I had used the wrong numbers! Phew!

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Pat and Frigga
Monkton, VT
2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252741 )

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Frigga

I wanted to chime in and mention that UCKELE Absorb All really helped my chronic diarrhea horse firm up within days. It is the only thing that has ever helped, especially during the change over from first cut to second cut.

Linda K.
NY since 2003

Dawn, regarding your mare's poor topline, in a quick look at your diet it looks like it may not contain enough protein for a broodmare, especially when she is lactating (although her foal is getting older now). Is this her diet full time?
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Alanna
May 2018
Los Angeles, CA
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .

Thanks for the reply. Both of my horses are in top shape. I just thought it would be something to use for compensating for old age. Is it too strong of an item for that purpose?
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
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I don’t like the Bermuda option. I’ve read that switching to Bermuda can cause colic and impaction problems.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
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Hi Carlye. Thanks for fixing your signature! 
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
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What would you suggest in order to see what she might require, Dr. Kellon?
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Carlye
Ontario, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jolene 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=256885

Thank you for all the information!  I am pretty sure I fixed the signature. 
I am still working on gathering all of the information I need to really get her rolling on the road to recovery.  I was so glad to be able to find all this information in one spot.  It was actually the ECIR website that spurred me to get her blood tested after the puffiness above her eyes appeared shortly after the laminitic episode this fall.  It's wonderful to see so many people coming together to support each other and their horses!  


Carlye
Ontario, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jolene 
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Unfortunately I don't think soaking is a viable option. I'm only at the barn once a day, usually for less than an hour on weekdays, and occasionally I'm not out at all, and it's still in the 70s here (not complaining) so I couldn't really soak hay much ahead of time without it getting funky. It's a lot to ask the barn staff to soak hay for me because they already do a lot of special requirements for many horses and it gets very time consuming.
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Alanna
May 2018
Los Angeles, CA
Buster's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alanna%20and%20Buster  .

2 horses, Bales last between 7 and 10 days, depending on th size, the hay is in a hay net with 1 inch holes..
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Denise & Ben , NB Canada Joined 2020 !!!!
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Thank you Dr. Kellon! I order both the Uckele Absorb All and psyllium. Can they be given at the same time? Also should I have my vet do any new tests next week. My old case file is in the Yahoo group ECIR History 5 and I cannot access it.

Thank you again,
Dawn & Roma
Middletown, DE
August 2011

You use the first column of as sampled, so it's only 3.9.  No soaking!  Minerals need a lot of attention though.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Hi - my boarding barn's winter hay (all large squares) arrived. There are three types, although 2 of the 3 appear to be various mixes of grassy/alfalfa. Likely different cuttings or possibly years/fields (but no one is certain). The hay is grown locally (~25 miles away).

Since Ero is likely IR/MBS the barn owner had the farmer drop off two large squares of grassy only "crappy hay" for him. It is quite dusty, but does not to appear to have as much alfalfa as the other options.

I took samples and had all three hay options tested. The results from "sample 1", the 'crappy" grassy-only just came back. From what I'm seeing, the ESC + starch is 17.7 (much too high) and I should continue soaking. Can someone please confirm and also help me understand any of the other information? 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Ero%20and%20Laura/Hay%20Analysis/EroHay_Sample1_11182020.pdf

Note - I'm awaiting results from two other sets of grassy/alfalfa mixes. I'll post when results are back. In the meantime, if I'm soaking all the hay (to be on the safe side), is this grassy hay (soaked) better than a mix of alfalfa/grass if those have have lower ESC+ starch values?

Thanks for review and advice.  

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Laura and Ero

October 2020 | Colgate, WI USA 

Ero Case History

Ero Photo Album

Hi Kinsey,

Just a thought about hay testing....sometimes there are farmers, or other horse people in your area ,who do test, or have tested their hay. Dairy farmers often test their hay,for example. And boarding stables are becoming more interested in doing so.
So if you were able to ask around, ask for copies of their tests (assuming they are in your vicinity),and see how they compare.you could take an average.( or maybe even find this out from your local Ag Department)
It's not the best way.But it's better than having no idea.
I had to do this a few years ago, because of lack of funds. I was able to get copies of 17 hay test results, which had been done within 20 miles of my farm. It was interesting how little difference there was ,really. But I averaged the results, and used that to make up my supplements.
As I said, it is  not recommended  to do that, if we want the most accurate results.
But it's a step up from guessing  what's in the hay, in order not to be throwing the kitchen sink into our supplement bin. Sigh.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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