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Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives
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Re: Joint Supplement
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Allison,
We have no evidence Keegan has laminitis or EMS. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management
There's no other horse specific information available. In people, it is dosed twice a day. I'd try the full 3 g twice a day to start to see if it makes a difference. If it does, try gradually decreasing the doses.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Yes, keep Jiaogulan the same - and make sure you use with a properly mineral balanced diet.
For non-IR horses, glucosamine is the most important and you can usually find it as a bulk powder. Give 10,000 mg/day. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: FREE FECAL WATER SYNDROME - also WAS: Dr. K Blog On Hay Belly - Could Relevante Have This?
This is a very informative post, as most here. I am just want to say again, THANK YOU!
My horse has changed so much since coming to this group. -- Tamara G. in Arizona 2020 Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tamara%20and%20Malik Malik Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252564
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Hi Allison,
My cardinal rule is....stick with what Dr. Kellon says. -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
There is a significant amount of glucosamine in the product dr kellon suggested i use. So I'm confused now.??
-- Allison in Ontario 2020 Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Hi Allison,
Do an archive search for glucosamine. Two important messages from that search are these, to help explain why glucosamine is not recommended. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257222 https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257235 -- Lorna in Eastern Ontario
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Joint Supplement
As we are working on switching so many things for our horse(s) - only one with Cushing's, the other 2 are babies - we are needing to find a good joint support replacement for Monte. He has currently been on Cosequine ASU, vet recommended, but he has decided he will no longer eat anything with it in it. It has been work to get just a portion of it into him since he has become resistant, but he needs a good replacement for his muscle/joint stiffness from age. The one that I've currently been looking at is Tight Joints Plus. Here is a link to their site if you need it: https://www.tightjointsplus.net/horse-arthritis-treatment-and-joint-repair-auburn-wa-html/ . Thank you for some insight into this area.
-- Donna R Conley - in Oregon, Columbia County, USA since 12-01-2020 Montes Case History.pdf (groups.io)
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Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives
many different doses of gas x .. 80 mg, 125 mg, 180 mg, 250 mg. correct mg for typical 500 kg horse? thanks
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives
Thank you for commenting on the gas colic. I know my vet suggest Banamine and walking. Do you suggest the Gas-X tablets in addition to banamine ? dont use the banamine?? Thanks
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management
Why no boots at night? I had my horse on boots 24 seven with a one hour to 2 hr break.each day
-- LJ Friedman Nov 2014 Vista, Northern San Diego, CA Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History
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Case Histories: What You Need To Know - Fri, 12/04/2020
#cal-notice
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Case Histories: What You Need To Know When: Description: Your equine's Case History is the most important step to be completed upon joining the ECIR Group. It is critical for obtaining timely and specific advice from the support team.
If you are a long time member, migrated from Yahoo, please be aware there are changes in how information is to be properly posted. We also have a new case history form. If your case history does not contain the IR Calculator Table please transfer all your information on to the new form. The new uploading rules and instructions are located at the bottom of the case history form.
We take the importance of accurate information very seriously. The information in our posts and case histories is of tremendous value to all our members. To help protect the data and your privacy only members of the main ECIR Group are granted access to the Case History Group. If you are concerned about privacy you need only give your first name and general location. The use of pseudonyms to keep your equine professionals anonymous is encouraged. Please review the ECIR Group Terms of Use and Privacy Policy
Don't delay posting or updating your case history. Missing information it can be added as you obtain it. The faster your case history is completed with what you currently know, the faster you will receive the best support from the support team.
Please take the time to update your Case History. An up-to-date case history is invaluable when an equine emergency crops up. Accurate documentation of management changes, the equine's responses, blood work results and links to the equine's photo album not only helps the ECIR Group gain the trust and respect of science-based equine professionals but can be used by vets who are on the ground trying to help your horse. Your Case History is the best way to effectively monitor and illustrate the results in PPID and IR management changes.
Please leave all your information uploaded. When the time comes that you or your equine no longer need the advice of the ECIR Group, please leave your case history folder intact. Your information will be used in the future to confirm or re-shape ECIR protocols and help other members learn. This is the best way to “give back” to the ECIR for the help you and your horse have received.
Photos go in the Case History Photo Section. Please help the Support Team work as efficiently as possible. Read How to Make a Photo Album for the rules and follow the Naming Pattern for photos so the Support Team can quickly locate the photos they need to see.
Thank you for your cooperation,
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
What about something like this:
https://www.horseherbs.com/products/glucosamineplus -- Allison in Ontario 2020 Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
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Re: Invokana is working for Finn and Elliott!!!!!
Great news! It is a relief for sure having something that is working as so stressful when we are doing everything else and their insulin stays high. Wonderful news for u and the ponies!!!
-- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0
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Shoe vs Barefoot
Could someone point me to info on shoes vs. barefoot? I’m considering transitioning my horse to barefoot, as she is currently recovering from some muscle injury, and once she is better will be retired from Dressage and become my trail horse. She is NOT laminitic. Looking for reliable info on how to transition her to barefoot and if she would benefit from it.
Thank you in advance! :) -- Jen S. NY 2019 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jen%20and%20Deva
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Allison, I have not given jiaogulan before but, from my reading here, I think it is dosed by what is required to get an increase in gum color. That would be indicative of increased blood flow. It’s possible though that you were told differently for a reason.
As they explain on the joint supplement web page, chondroitin is the most expensive ingredient and most crucial for repair. If you began using that in concert with the other things Dr. Kellon listed then it seems like you could try decreasing the chondroitin as his recovery shows obvious progress. -- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Martha and Logo
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Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management
Jeanne Q
Day 7 update on PEA treatment with Glory.
I have been dosing the 3g in the evenings with her feed. The last couple of mornings she has moved out much better than she has been. However, by late afternoon she is back to the tiny mincing steps when I know she is in pain. She is without boots in a padded stall for the night. In boots and cushy pads during the day, turned out in a dry lot with shavings. Dr. Kellon, have you read anything about dividing the dosage am and pm? The equine studies I have read only dose once in the pm. Should I try a divided dose? Thank you -- Jeanne Q MN 2020 |
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Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?
Dr. Kellon, if I may ask you two more questions...
First regarding Jiaogulan...should I increase the dosage, stay where we are at, or decrease? Secondly...The joint support that you are recommending... will this be something he will always need, or is this just for rehab purposes? I realize this is the gold standard for joint support, but I'm not sure I can sustain the cost of that particular recommendation, long term. What is the most important ingredient(s) to consider? If he's going to need joint support for the rest of his life, I need to find a more affordable alternative. Thanks,-- Allison in Ontario 2020 Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
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