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Re: Free PPID testing results

Portagecreek
 

Thanks Sherry. The clinic quoted 
 $268.11 for Prascend. GULP....

Natalie

New Brunswick, Canada

2019

Case History: Tane's case history

Photos: Tane's photos


Re: Free PPID testing results

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Natalie,

October is right in the midst of the seasonal rise but that still is an elevated result and the non-shedding is indicative of PPID as well.  You can wait and retest her after the first of the year to see if that level has come down and then decide to treat if she's still outside of the lab range or start to treat now and check 3 weeks after reaching the target dose to see if she's in a better spot.




Free PPID testing results

Portagecreek
 

I will get right on creating Paisley's case history when I get to my desktop...but in the meantime I got her results back:
ACTH: 42.5 H pmol/l
Taken October 20
She's only 16 andbhad some shedding issues which corrected with CTB this year.
My vet recommends Prascend Immediately, any feedback on the results? Is that high for prior to seasonal rise?
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Natalie

New Brunswick, Canada

2019

Case History: Tane's case history

Photos: Tane's photos


Re: Safe Feeding of Beet Pulp

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Cathie,

Beet is not harvested using RoundUp to kill the top vegetation as has been claimed. That's pure fiction. The tops of beets are shaved off mechanically. It's called topping and is done by a machine.

RoundUp ready sugar beets can't be defoliated by RoundUp anyway. By definition, it doesn't affect them.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Why is iron added to supplments and feed

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Susan,

Good example of why label guarantee "minimum" may not at all resemble what's actually in there.

DCP - dicalcium phosphate - is a supplemental form of calcium and phosphorus which is well known to be heavily contaminated with iron.  The claim the calcium and phosphorus are absorbed but not the iron doesn't make much sense.

All forms of iron are dissolved in stomach acid, releasing the iron. There are numerous accounts of zoo animals and birds becoming iron overloaded on commercial diets and pellets heavily "contaminated" with iron from processing.

There are no/zero/nada studies on the availability of different iron forms/souces in horses. None. No one can say that any form of iron is not absorbed. We do know that access to dirt is important in avoiding iron deficiency in foals and piglets yet dirt contains primarily iron forms that are often said to be unavailable. There has NEVER been a case of iron deficiency documented in a horse over the age of 1 but iron overload is common in adults, and increases with age.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Safe Feeding of Beet Pulp

Cathie
 

Beet Pulp is very beneficial for our horses. From time to time I see comments and concerns about the way it is harvested using Round-Up. 

I have fed it for many years, maybe as many as 10 years. It has always been the best way for me to add the ration balancer for each individual horse that best suits his needs.  I have two cushings and a PSSM2 horse.

I use Beet Pulp Shreds "Standlee" as is does not contain any Molasses. When I scoop it from the container to prepare it for rinsing, I am going to start doing that part wearing an N95 mask.   It is dusty and I have not yet begun the rinsing process.

The reason for this is a year ago I was diagnosed with Breast Cancer.  I have no family history of the disease and live a healthy lifestyle.  I was very lucky to have it caught very early and I am fine today.  However, it is a concern what could have been the cause?

I suspect it would be a good idea to protect myself from the dust that occurs when I scoop out my portions for rinsing and soaking.  I would strongly recommend that you all do that same.   It will keep you safe from inhaling the dust.  Once it is washed I would think it will be fine to handle further.

Please continue to feed it as I have.  I do believe it is a good choice for our horses, just need to add this step and awareness to our daily routine!!


Cathie Y in MI 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cathie%20and%20Dorado 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252680


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Allison
 

Thank you for your assistance.  His minerals have been custom balanced so no concerns there. I now have a clearer path of treatment.
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan
Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Why is iron added to supplments and feed

Susan Vaughan
 

Reading this with great interest - wanted to chime in.
I tested with EA the Pro Elite Grass Advantage last month - Nov 2020.
Two different bags:
Results (ppm):

Iron 1650
Copper 161
Zinc  470

Iron 1550
Copper 162
Zinc 490

The bags list min. guarantees of Iron/Copper/Zinc as 700 / 200/ 600

I asked a rep at Cargill about the (much) higher than expected iron content. 
I was told it was most probably from the Dicalcium Phosphate.  (per their nutritionist).
That the DCP was not digested or absorbed by horses but would show up on tests.  

I have the test results and could email if ECIR wants it in the files. 

Above posts mention "supplemental".   
Does that mean supplements added in feeds - or supplements we buy to add to our feeds?   
Also, Is "machinery iron" thought to be absorbed by horses?    And messes with other minerals?  

Best to you all,   (especially Dr Kellon for her years of hard work /  helping so many horses and people).
Susan and Remy in Houston
(member since 2004 for Halima Two)





Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

125 mg tabs.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Joint Supplement

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Do you have any labs on Monte?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Allison,

We have no evidence Keegan has laminitis or EMS.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There's no other horse specific information available. In people, it is dosed twice a day. I'd try the full 3 g twice a day to start to see if it makes a difference. If it does, try gradually decreasing the doses.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, keep Jiaogulan the same - and make sure you use with a properly mineral balanced diet.

For non-IR horses, glucosamine is the most important and you can usually find it as a bulk powder. Give 10,000 mg/day.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: FREE FECAL WATER SYNDROME - also WAS: Dr. K Blog On Hay Belly - Could Relevante Have This?

Tamara Gonsor
 

This is a very informative post, as most here. I am just want to say again, THANK YOU! 
My horse has changed so much since coming to this group. 

--
Tamara G. in Arizona 2020
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tamara%20and%20Malik
Malik Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252564


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Allison,

My cardinal rule is....stick with what Dr. Kellon says.


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Allison
 

There is a significant amount of glucosamine in the product dr kellon suggested i use. So I'm confused now.??
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Allison in Ontario 2020

Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan
Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Jiaogulan - What if It's not Working?

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Allison,

Do an archive search for glucosamine. 
Two important messages from that search are these, to help explain why glucosamine is not recommended.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257222

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/257235

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Joint Supplement

Donna
 

As we are working on switching so many things for our horse(s) - only one with Cushing's, the other 2 are babies - we are needing to find a good joint support replacement for Monte. He has currently been on Cosequine ASU, vet recommended, but he has decided he will no longer eat anything with it in it. It has been work to get just a portion of it into him since he has become resistant, but he needs a good replacement for his muscle/joint stiffness from age. The one that I've currently been looking at is Tight Joints Plus. Here is a link to their site if you need it: https://www.tightjointsplus.net/horse-arthritis-treatment-and-joint-repair-auburn-wa-html/ . Thank you for some insight into this area. 
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Donna R Conley - in Oregon, Columbia County, USA since 12-01-2020
Montes Case History.pdf (groups.io)


Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives

LJ Friedman
 

many different doses of gas x  ..  80 mg, 125 mg, 180 mg, 250 mg.   correct mg for typical 500 kg horse?  thanks  
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Gas colic remedies or preventstives

LJ Friedman
 

Thank you for commenting on the gas colic. I know my vet suggest Banamine  and walking. Do you suggest the Gas-X tablets in addition to banamine ? dont use the banamine?? Thanks
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 

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