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Re: suggestions in getting insulin down

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Vicky,

It looks like Samson's ACTH has never been very high and that he was diagnosed largely by symptoms 3 years ago?  Which makes me wonder if he might benefit from a higher dosage now given that PPID is progressive, even though his ACTH was normal in August on 0.5mg/day.  You currently have him at 1mg Prascend, but you could try increasing it and retesting his insulin to see if it helps?  I'd be curious to know if you see an improvement in his itchiness with the higher dose.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
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Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

If you notice her hoof pain increases with colder temps, you will want to try and keep her warmer.  But not all IR horses get winter laminitis, so just watch her and if you see a correlation between cold westher and hoof pain, then you can try to warm up her feet.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
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Re: Recommendations for next steps?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Rhonda, it looks like you had good control of the ACTH through the seasonal rise, so likely his dosage of Prascend was correct.  I would check him again next August to make sure it is still well controlled before the seasonal rise is in full swing. 

Now to see what his insulin is....although his diet looks good.  The only potential issue I can see is the hay (sugars, mineral balancing, possible legumes in it) but at least it is being soaked so that is great!  Getting him back in to regular work should help with the insulin, too.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
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Re: How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kandance,

You can do a search on "winter laminitis" in our archives as well as checking Dr. Kellon's blog posts: https://drkhorsesense.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/winter-laminitis/




Re: Jaini Clougher

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Denise,

Not Jaini, but go to to our Files , to Country Specific Information here......
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9d%20Country%20Specific%20Information/Canada

Scroll down to Hay Testing.
A&L Labs ,in London,Ontario, and Nutrilytical  are both possibilities. 

A&L are excellent. Have never used Nutrilytical.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Jaini Clougher

Denise
 

Names, not manes.    sorry..   :)
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Jaini Clougher

Denise
 

Hi Jaini, I was wondering if you can give me the manes of the Laboratories in Canada for Hay Testing,,  You mentioned them in the Podcast, but, I cannot remember what they were,, Thanks
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How Do I Know-Winter blanketing/leg wrapping

Kandace Krause
 

Hello,
I live in Alberta Canada at elevation of more than 4500 feet.  We do have very fluctuating winter temps, from above 0* C down to -40* C.  My IR horse has previosly been pasture only in winter.  Now in smaller paddock with run in shelter.

How would I know if shipping boots are needed.  She will likely be in Easy Care Cloud boots all winter.  They have 12mm closed cell pads which probably offer a lot of insulation value.
I have blanketed in the past, but only when below -25*C.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
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Re: Frog and hoof question

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Heather. As far as the soles.. if its crumbling, the hoof is starting to give it up and I just let nature remove it. I leave it to exfoliate on its own. Sometimes, I have noticed on my own horses frogs, do grow like a little tab of frog that extends past where it is attached. Not sure if this is what you are seeing or not. In my experience of trimming my own horses, I do bring it back to where it is attached. I don't have to do this all the time, just occassionally. There are times that the whole hoof distorts and migrates forward...do you see migration forward in other hoof structures where the frog looks stretched? Hope this helps. 
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
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Re: Nitrates in Hay

LJ Friedman
 

Thank you for the reply. Being in Southern California with low humidity and the way I store my salt, it appears? To be quite non clumpy and fine v etc. So I will keep up with it . thanks 
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Re: Nitrates in Hay

 

The form of iodine used in iodized salt in the USA, potassium iodide, is not stable over the long term in all conditions. It is subject to degradation from heat, humidity and exposure to air, which cause iodide to oxidize to iodine, which sublimates (evaporates). If you want the full technical details, real the bottom post on this page. It's interesting. https://www.ign.org/p142002372.html

From my personal experience, it's hard to store 25 pounds of salt in a water-proof, air-tight container. I've used a huge bin that supplements came in, but I always find the salt clumped during winter rains. I thought that If I were buying and feeding iodized salt from 1 pound boxes, I'd use it up fast enough to avoid degradation of the iodine. However, in my climate, in my tackroom, salt in Morton's boxes got hard as a rock, meaning it was exposed to moisture. 

Your climate, your storage conditions may vary from mine, but I don't know how you prevent it from being exposed to air.

There's another factor.  I can't feed enough salt to supply the amount of iodine I like to supplement when hay has elevated nitrates. I found it simpler to ignore the iodine supplied by iodized salt and simply supply the needed iodine from Source or Ocean-K.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
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Re: Frog and hoof question

hdavis
 


Re: Efficacy of Vitamin E gel caps

Bonnie Eddy
 

On my search of Vit e in this group, I came across a message from 5-26-17 #207785, where someone posted the same exact concern with Swanson's vit e not having sufficient blood levels.  
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Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

No, not the same.
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Eleanor in PA

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Re: Use of Palmitoylethanolamide(PEA) for pain management

Frances C.
 

Dr. K. trying to find if Palmitoylethanolamide and Phenylethylamine HC1 is the same thing - interchangeable?-I could not open the above file nor find the answer on the web.. Want to see if it would help my DSLD/PPID/arthitic mare.  Thanks
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
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Re: Bloodwork tests and question on processes

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

ANTECH also offers insulin and glucose only, panel T470E.
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Eleanor in PA

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Re: Trim Advice Needed -

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Sharon,

The squaring off at the toe is easing the breakover time slightly, but nowhere near enough to put it where the bony column actually needs it to be. The toes are all too far ahead of where they need to be, so need to be backed up considerably. Also see some wall flares and heels are underrun. These are pretty common issues with trims but they do have consequences for the horse's soundness.

Long toes will definitely "take off" between trims so the horizontal length needs to be corrected, then maintained, on a short enough trim cycle that it doesn't outpace the corrections. If you can see the feet need trimming, you're already overdue by at least a week.

If you'd like a set of mark-ups to help guide the trim let me know. I'll need you to add true lateral shots of both hinds (the current ones are obliques), taken from a bit further away so that they include most of the cannon bone.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
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Re: Bloodwork tests and question on processes

Laura and Ero
 

Agree with ACTH not being necessary (and my vet agreed), but it's part of their packages.

And I thought the same as advice here re: leptin (based on what I'm learning), but she seemed to be pushing this to a degree where I wanted to ask this group. He is a good eater so it will be likely high, but aside from reducing food (but not starving) and/or increasing exercise, you're right in that I wouldn't treat him differently. Thanks for the confirmation.  

Unfortunately, I don't get the sense that this vet practice will use Cornell, but others in the area will. Thanks for the suggestions on the tests. Regarding fasting, hay only is okay (no other feed before testing), but also no turn-out or exercise before drawing blood, correct? 

Thanks!
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Laura and Ero

October 2020 | Colgate, WI USA 

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Trim Advice Needed -

Sharon Bice
 

Hi Lavinia! Could you look at Taillight's feet and let me know about the trim. The photos were taken just a day after my farrier came. The vet told him to square off or back off the toe, I am not sure he would normally do that anyway or misunderstood. Either way, they appear to be done wrong in a few ways. Also, are the toes short enough, just not done right? Taillight grows long in the toe quickly and then gets underslung (not sure hot to describe it) - like slippers. I am uncertain if I should switch farriers - and try to find a barefoot one, or if it is just the kind of squaring off that is wrong or wondering why my farrier would think this is reasonable thing to do. Thanks so much in advance.  Trying to get her better - she's the best mountain horse. Happy Holidays and thank you!!! :) 
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Sharon Bice
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

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Re: Case History & Photos Submitted - Yay!! ~New Member Tailight & Sharon in New Mexico :)

Sharon Bice
 

Thank you, Jeanne! I'm going to try and find a barefoot trimmer here and also try my hand at rounding off the corners. Appreciate your 2 cents!! Have a happy holiday :)  
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Sharon Bice
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

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