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Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

 

Thank you ladies! Very helpful. Guess I should have it tested to see for sure. =)

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Cari Johnson
San Diego, CA
2019
Rio's Case History
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Re: Case Hx folder is Empty

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Thanks Shawn!   It just takes a little practice....  We do appreciate your efforts.  :)

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History  
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Re: Acute laminitis - unable to control pain

Bendhorsetalk@...
 

I am having a similarly hard time getting pain under control. I ordered the items mentioned here so I can stop bute. I noticed, though, that ginseng is not to be combined with jiaogulan on one of the sheets here on the site. I'm still waiting for bright pink gums with 3 tsp 2 x day, but once I get the ginseng, do I stop the jiaogulan?

Thank you.
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Shera Felde, Central Oregon, 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Story%20and%20Shera
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253720


Re: Question about when to test ACTH

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kandace,

Your circumstances are a bit different.  Both of your horses tested well above the elevated range for the seasonal rise and are definitely PPID so will need to remain on medication for life.  When you test in the spring you're looking to see if they're well controlled with their current dose of medication or if they need to be increased prior to the seasonal rise. 



Re: Question about when to test ACTH

Kandace Krause
 

Good info, Sherry.  I just retestested while horses are on Prascend.  Because I did test before, I knew they needed it, not just put on in case.  Would I take the horses off before re testing in spring?  I have planned to test them again at that time, but now I am wondering if Drug should be withdrawn first?
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K


Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

Sherry Morse
 

Triple Crown also provides an estimate of WSC, ESC, Starch, and NSC values for all their feeds in a chart that's updated periodically - the latest version is here: https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/NSC-page_web_041320.pdf  but as Cass noted you do need to read the fine print. 

At the bottom of that page it's noted: *Estimated values determined by Equi-Analytical, Ithaca, NY. Equi-Analytical makes no claims to the accuracy of its data. Link: http://equi-analytical.com/common-feed-profile

If they are actually using the common feed profiles to create the estimates according to Equi-Analytical those are all done on a Dry Matter basis.  I don't think we've ever seen a test on the regular Senior (one of the more recent is here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds/Triple%20Crown%20Products/Triple%20Crown%20Senior%202018-02-15.pdf) that's come back as low as what Triple Crown has listed. 




Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

Jennifer Murphy
 

LJ, thank you!  I'm copying these responses and sending them to my vet to hopefully convince her it's the way to go. 

Nancy, thank you for your input - I've been struggling to get this under control on and off for about 4 years, and the last 2 years have been just awful.  I agree, this group is fantastic!

Terri, I'm glad you posted that about the urine sample, because I was wondering how often you're supposed to check.  I have no idea how I'll be able to get a sample because neither mule will allow me to approach them when they're doing that - for the most part they wait until I'm either far enough away or out of their area completely before putting themselves in a "vulnerable" position.  They sure don't make things easy, but I'll figure something out.  Maybe with the more frequent urination, I'll have better luck.

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Jennifer in NH
2020

CH - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Flea

Photo album - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251041&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

LJ Friedman
 

Jennifer., you mentioned your vet is not on board. When I started invokana I was able to get it with no prescription from Mexico and when my vet saw how well it was doing he was on board and gave me a prescription. If you  email me etc , I can offer suggestions (
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

TERRI JENNINGS
 

We urine test every other week. I carry a round Tupperware type cup with a screw on lid. Finn has his favorite trail where he likes to urinate, Elliott always goes right on top of wherever Finn urinated. I had to get regular urine samples from one of my non-IR horses when he was in a clinical trial for headshaking/trigeminal neuralgia treatment. He almost always urinates a few minutes after he goes in the trailer after a ride. It worked every time I needed a sample. Knowing where and when your horse urinates is helpful. 

mince you have a sample just follow the directions for the dipsticks. 
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Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
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Joined 2019


Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

 

Hi, Cari.
There's fine print at the bottom of the NSC chart page that explains why Triple Crown feeds can test with higher ESC+Starch than shown on the chart.

First, recall that ECIR evaluates appropriate carbohydrates as ESC+Starch, not NSC. You can search Messages for many explanations why NSC is not the critical value for our horses with EMS, such as https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/258553 and the thread in which it is embedded.

Second, the values shown on the chart are estimates, not guaranteed analyses. 

Third, this disclaimer covers variation:
"The following coefficients of variation (cv) can be associated with the carbohydrate analyses. These should reasonably account for both sampling and analytical variation, though as you know, poor sampling can lead to much larger variation. The coefficients of variation (cv) for starch is 10%, WSC is 15% and ESC is 15%. For example, a feed with a WSC value of 10% should be expected to range from 8.5 – 11.5% and a WSC value of 20% to range from 17 – 23%. In addition, there are variables on ingredients between suppliers that could be as much as an additional 5% to 10% per ingredient."
By my simple math,  ESC can be as high as 6.56% and starch as high as 3.96%, for a total of 10.52%. 

Fourth, we don't know if the listed percentages on the chart are as Dry Matter (equalizing for moisture content at zero) instead of As Fed, meaning values for what you feed out of the bag. If the percentages are as Dry Matter, what we feed out of the bag could be even higher in ESC+Starch than 10.52%.

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

 

II was curious about the starch/ sugar etc.... I know the websites say the NSC it is 11.4, but I know it often tests much different than what they report.

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Cari Johnson
San Diego, CA
2019
Rio's Case History
Rio's Case Photos


Re: Case Hx folder is Empty

Sherry Morse
 

You're doing great Shawn, thank you!




Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Cari,

Considering they're reporting a minimum fat of 12.5% it's well over the recommended levels for an IR/PPID horse.  If I were going to go for one of their senior feeds I'd err on the side of the regular Senior, but only if I knew I had a horse that wasn't prone to laminitis.




Re: Case Hx folder is Empty

Shawn Gould
 

OK Sherry and Kristen, I got it all in one album and deleted the other. I'd like to say I'm getting the hang of this website, but that might be overly optimistic.
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Shawn and Candy
Dec 2020, Santa Cruz, CA
Candy Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shawn%20and%20Candy
Candy Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258140


Re: New Triple Crown Senior Gold

Lorna Cane
 


Here's the link
https://www.triplecrownfeed.com/products/senior-gold/


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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New Triple Crown Senior Gold

 

Has anyone tested the new New Triple Crown Senior Gold yet?

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Cari Johnson
San Diego, CA
2019
Rio's Case History
Rio's Case Photos


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

Nancy Kitchen
 

Jennifer - just a member here but I wanted to add that my horse would not be with me now if not for the Invokana.  He still wears boots but otherwise he is sound, much happier and free from pain.  I had tried emergency diet, soaking hay, all the supplements that claim to help IR, and Metformin.  My vet has been on board with Invokana from the beginning as he has been with us thru the entire 1 1/2 yr struggle. My horse's insulin is now within the normal range but i still maintain his IR diet according to the protocol here.  He does urinate more as Dr Kellon stated but he has had no ill side effects from the med.  I check his urine about once a month now and that has been normal.  My vet did a urinalysis for me just to be on the safe side and all was fine.

I cannot say enough good things about this group and Dr Kellon.  Everyone is helpful and so knowledgeable and it's all free information.  All the best with your horse, hoping it all works out for you and Flea
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Nancy K
Smoke and Tucky
November 2018, Southeast, MA

Smoke Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Smoke
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Re: Tests are back - looking for feedback please

Judy and Bugsy
 

Thanks for your reply Lavinia. No I don’t know what happened to this sample and why it took so long. Same thing happened to the sample that was sent last spring - it took an awful long time for the sample to get to Cornell. As well the results from Cornell last spring were all wonky too. Very frustrating!

with the help of a vet tech I took the sample (kept chilled) to the vet’s office immediately after the blood was drawn. Samples were sent by my vet to Cornell and Guelph on the same day. Have others experienced such a delay when sending blood from Canada to Cornell?
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Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




Re: Recommendations for next steps? Can Prascend cause this weigh loss? maybe needs to be reduced?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Hi Rhonda,

Not sure what you mean by crooked - the photos are fine? His current weight looks good to me.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159

It would be really helpful to see a full set of hoof photos for Scooter as the two rads you also uploaded (thanks) show a definite need for trim adjustments and the mark-up on the lateral showed that the heel needed lowereing, which was definitely NOT a good idea.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Riosa Rads would like feedback please

hdavis
 

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