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Re: NEW MEMBER - urgent advice needed for IR pony in constant pain

Lesley Fraser
 

Hi Jenny

I was just looking at the analysis of Thunderbrooks Hay Cobs - it doesn’t specify which grasses they use, other than more than 50 varieties of alpine grasses and herbs, but the analysis shows 11.13% 'Digestible Energy', 7.6% sugar and <2% starch, so it might be useful to avoid these ones for Dewi. For treats (and to hide his Prascend) I used the flax/cinnamon/apple sauce recipe in the ECIR files.

We don’t have access to feeds like Stabul 1 over here in the UK, but there are others around that fit in with the emergency diet when you check through their analysis and composition. There’s helpful information in the ECIR files on UK resources, which you’ve probably already come across, although I chose to buy most of Omar's supplements from My Best Horse in the US and I used DairyOne/Equi-Analytical (also in the US) for his hay samples. Getting his diet under control, his trim properly sorted out and having regular bloodwork done really turned things around for him. Omar’s over the rainbow bridge now, but that happened because of colic and very poor veterinary help, and not any IR or PPID related issues.

Best wishes
Lesley & over the bridge Omar,
2012, UK



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Lesley, 11-2012

Norfolk, UK

Omar - Case History


New Member has uploaded Case History and Photos. Feedback on trim please?

jtbtolsland@...
 

Hi Everyone,
Here is some information to start with in the files below, will add hay sample and blood test results soon.

Can someone who knows please look at my trim and tell me what you see? I am starting to think the heels are too low but not sure.
China is on the Emergency diet but am not soaking the hay as the test came back at an okay starch level--4.3g/kg?. I was soaking the new seasons hay and feeding it to her but she got stiff gaited and tender to move on that hay, so a sample is winging it's way to Equi-Analytical.

Carol Layton is going to balance her diet for me once we have all the information gathered.  

I am worried China has sunk as her coronet band is squishy compared to her 3 year old Dry Lot buddy.  I am going to get her x-rayed next week if they can get hold of a machine. 

Many thanks for this amazing space and wealth of knowledge. :-) 
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Judy B in New Zealand 2020
9 Shetlands 2 horses.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=259394
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/China%20and%20Judy/China%20Case%20History.pdf
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/China%20and%20Judy


locked nutrient course for dogs and cats

Barbara Henry
 

Has anyone taken the dog and cat course? Does it come with a spreadsheet to work out meals? Thank you
Barb Henry
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Barb Henry in Ca 2020https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Barb%20and%20Monroe


Re: Invokana and Vinnie update

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Would there be any benefit to starting l-arginine too for circulation? Or should I wait to see all the benefits of Invokana first.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: sore feet after a rain

celestinefarm
 

Tori, it could be abscessing brewing. That is very common as the softer feet and soles move more allowing better blood and fluid flow. Any dead material is now going to be expressed out but it's typically painful.  Often seen after a period of drought then rain. 
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


sore feet after a rain

Tori & Floss
 

Has anybody ever experienced their horse getting sore feet after being on wet ground after becoming sound after a bout of laminiits?
Could it be from feet getting soft? Thin soles?
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Tori

 

December, 2016

Adelaide Australia

Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Floss 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3347

 

 

 


Invokana and Vinnie update

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Today was day 6 on Invokana and continue to see steady improvements. The heat in both feet has diminished. He is still very sore in the LF medially and laterally but the RF looks pretty good.  I am seeing his crest continue to shrink.

I am really hopeful.

I have increased tbe mini pulse treatments to help circulation. 

We changed from banamine to equioxx and plan on dropping to 1/2 a pill in two days if he can tolerate.

The left front is a little bit of a wild card because that is the foot that was still in the process of growing out from the abcess sinking laterally.

I am hoping he continues to improve.  🦄
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: High ACTH for two mini horses, asking input on Vet's rec to start on Prascend - New Question for Dr. Kellon

lynnc66
 


Thank you!
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Lynn Cox
Kern County, CA

May, 2007 

Bella Case History   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bella
Destiny Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Destiny  .
Photos, Bella, Destiny, Zoe, Pip   
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=247665  





Re: jesse foot sore. equiciser

LJ Friedman
 

yes vet  used hoof testers,  will look to take lateral views 
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

LJ Friedman
 


-- Commenting on invokana not being a magic bullet like Dr. Kellon mentioned, regretfully I have to agree. Jesse’s AC TH went high and that was on me because I switched up some medicines but I thought incorrectly that the pressure of the invokana will keep the insulin down to normal. And it has not. So I am trying to work this out but I just wanted to mention that invokana is not a magic bullet that I hoped it would be but certainly is almost  half a magic bullet?
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: jesse foot sore. equiciser

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi LJ.  Did the vet/farrier test feet with hoof testers? And he was sensitive in all areas of the hoof? And did the farrier explain how the shoes would help and why? I like your idea of the boots for comfort while walking...and returning to a five week trim...it would be good to see a few more photos too....
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

 

Michele,
Please start a *new thread* with a *new subject* so that Dr Kellon can efficiently sort out your request from all the other stuff in this thread. In your case, since your signature has no link at any case history, we have no idea which equine you are asking about and what the test results are without reading many posts. You really need  a CH. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

Michele Goldberg <ladipus@...>
 

I’m very interested in learning more/trying Invokana for my very IR/Cushings pony who has stopped responding to Metformin ...we tried increasing the dose and he stopped eating so I’m looking for a better alternative. My vet has never heard of Invokana ...where can he get it from and find out more info on it /dose etc ??


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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa
joined 5/19/2016


Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

Tara Smith
 

I would also like to jump in on this topic.Gavi started ivonkana last year .He is a severe case IR /cushings .We started ivonkana last fall and all year his life has been changed a 200 level insulin dropped to 34 in 3 weeks .The comfort came within a week .We are having issues now because his acth is high and that drives the insulin up for Gavi everytime .We just did a urine test and glucose is still spilling out of his urine from the ivonkana ,so i know its doing its job.We are trying to get Acth down that will then  also bring insulin down for my horse.Ivonkana has done wonders for my beloved horse.Before my shipment came in I purchased from costco at 22 $a pill .At 1 point another member also offered me a borrow pack and then I just paid them back as they always order ahead. I would offer as well but ,im running low and new order can take up to 6 wks to 2mths How kind everyone is on here to offer to help.Have faith its gonna work its magic,and can be life changing so hang in there ,fondly, Tara
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Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Re: jesse foot sore. equiciser

 

LJ,
 
You updated photos, but there aren't any lateral shots ... get down at ground level for all of them please
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Ellen
Pal & Savvy
N. Alabama
Aug 2013
Case History 


locked Re: tramadol

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This is way OT for this group but this will get you started https://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/is-tramadol-an-effective-analgesic-for-dogs-and-cats/
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Tooth breakage ??

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Christina,

This is why a case history is so important.  Are you administering the Prascend 2x a day as well as the Thyro-L?  Why is she on the Thryo-L?  Are you using or have you used APF?  How has she broken her teeth? What is her diet?




Re: Invokana side effects - how common are they?

LJ Friedman
 

i can also overnight 10 tablets.  goodrx is 17.00 each  vs 3.00 my cost
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: NEW MEMBER - urgent advice needed for IR pony in constant pain

lamarleau@...
 

Really sorry to read this and I know how terrible it is to see them like this. My boy cannot have any alfafa at all in anything, even in very small amount. I was not suspecting this and he suffered for months. Juste in case it can help.
Good luck.
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Francine & Magic in Quebec Nov 2020
Was a member 10 yrs ago with Shamy


jesse foot sore. equiciser

LJ Friedman
 


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I had the vet out to look at jesses feet and the farrier was here as well for a 6 week trim .Jesse is reactive in both front feet but not active laminitis. The thought is that all the extra work is getting him wearing down his feet. Farrier said his right front that there’s never been anything to trim  because he’s always wearing it down from walking around, etc ie increased movement at new barn So I’m going to use the clouds while he’s on  the exerciser , at the walk only  , after a day or 2, and try and get some hoof  to regrow before i consider a trot regimen to reduce the insulin . I’m going to stop the Prevacox  gradually, and restart jiagoulan because I think jesse needs the foot growth. I did send some pictures to his case history file.   The farrier thought he could use shoes immediately. vet thought he wouldnt tolerate the nails.   farrier didnt agree.  i took no video of Jesse trotting very nicely   , ( i was talking with farrier when vet trotted him) I saw Jesse Canter around his pasture when a girl came on a bicycle,, he cantered very nicely. And his trotting  with the vet looked fine as well. Additionally, he is walking much better after his trim  at six weeks. At four weeks I will evaluate if he can go to six weeks or we should move back to five week trim.  I’ll probably require five weeks regardless.
thoughts on my plan??  LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 

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