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Re: Hello again

Anette
 

Hello Sherry, thank you. This horse has been inclined to walk in the grass since we began riding him about three years ago. He was barefoot but not ridden before that. This past weekend was the first time he'd been ridden in a year and I was told he really wanted to be in the grass on the side of the road. So not really new but possibly more. 
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Anette P and Jaywalker
Boomer, NC
Sep.9 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anette%20and%20Jaywalker


Re: Bumps #file-notice

Starshine Ranch
 

One of my mares started getting "bumps" in her girth area when she was quite young.  She is now 18 and my vet  measured and charted them and we check them every year but we never touched them because they really never got bigger.  They look like they could be sarcoids but we've left them alone because disturbing them might make them flare up and so far they have caused no problems.  Yes, you need to get your vet to look and hopefully you get the same results... or maybe they will go away but mine didn't.
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Linda  CA  in 2020


cough

Daisy Shepherd
 

is cough free ok for ir horse;  no fever, just congested cough  more with activity and slightly listless, good appetite,  had antibiotic shot x2 4 days apart. thank you daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Nancy C
 

Hi Kandace

I'd like to add my experience with high insulin and longevity.

Beau's was never controlled and in later years was 50-100 uIU.  Kept his ACTH in the teens.  Worked to reverse his tissue iron overload. Squeaky tight trim.  He was always on the verge of another potential event with insulin this high but we were on alert and adjusted when needed.   Nevertheless, he was able to work on the ground for all but the last years, with a bit of riding.

I get it that soaking hay is not fun.

Wanted you to know what can be possible.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kandace,

Ranting and crying go with the territory, I'm sorry to say.
Hang on.

I went to your CH because ,especially at this point in the nightmare,I wanted to see if there were areas that could be fine-tuned.
But I'm having trouble getting an accurate/current picture, based on what your messages have said....could be me.
Not sure how much hay she is getting,for example. And wonder if she is getting loose , iodized salt? And flax?
Not sure of her pergolide dose ? With 151 pg/ml results at this time of year I would be zeroing in on this big time,if she were mine.
And boots? Shoes? What is the current situation here?
I have more questions,but wonder, if it is not just me, if you could find a minute to update any details that need updating?

Especially when things are so difficult, it's been my experience (having had 7 IR/PPID boys) that getting every detail totally nailed down is so beneficial.
Every penny counts,so it is trés important to be sure to feed only what is known to help. The years and years of on-the-ground experiences of this group are a valuable go-to for this info.
This also applies, of course, to what is being looked at in the hoof area. 
And environmental area.Temperature can be a huge factor.
Even the tiniest detail, seemingly unimportant at first glance, can make a world of difference wrt the horse's quality of life,and therefore the owner's.....not to mention the financial savings, coming from getting value from everything that goes down the hatch.So to speak.

Sorry.Off soap box.
I just remember being in the same place you are now years ago ( the room is nodding), and what a miserable place that is to be. Wanting to help somehow.....to pay forward what I have been taught here.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


test results/ dr kellon if possible

Daisy Shepherd
 

trh pre  13.5, post 34.2;  glucose 108, insulin 19.39 ; gi at 5.57, risqi 0.23, mirg 6.7.  so at present not cushings when should i monitor acth, has a few times been elevated during rise;  not fasting  feeding done by protocol.   the calculator no longer shows the ranges but i think other labs are ok.  all labs except these new ones are in case hx, will get them in soon. thank you so much, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Kandace Krause
 

Kirsten, Thank you for clearing up a few more questions.
Frankly, I cannot keep this horse if there is a next time.  This winter is a one off and due to Covid it is possible for me to be doing all the work.  I have accepted that I may not be riding her for more than a year, that she may never be a competitive horse again (but I hope), but the expense about  $8000 in vet bills and more to come and hundreds on vitiamins and minerals that she won't even eat, stall bound for another 15 years of her life?  It is not something I can do.  She is not in my backyard and I can't even exercise my other horse for fear that she will hurt her feet when J is taken away.
There has been no sigh of an abcess so far, tho with the NANRIC boots, I cannot see her feet in between trims.
The fact that she won't eat BP the addition of the things she should be being supplemented with scare me, I can't soak out the minerals her hays are providing.
I feel like I am beating my head against a wall, and that it isn't helping either of us.
Sorry, I need to rant and cry.

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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=259062


Re: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. #file-notice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

Yes, PSSM is a biopsy diagnosis. The differentiation between 1 and 2 is the presence of amylase resistant PAS positive material (glycogen).  SomePSSM1 cases are caused by the GYS1 mutation.  Some PSSM2 are characterized by abnormal deposits of the protein desmin which is found with special stains.

The biopsy can also tell you if there is a problem which is not PSSM.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I'd go with the Hemp Joint.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Bumps #file-notice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This isn't related to PPID or EMS. Need to get your vet to take a look, maybe biopsy.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Beet Pulp Inquiry

Nancy C
 

Hi Brenda

I'm sorry I am late on this. Hemp Seed as a carrier is unfortunately not recommended because of an inverse Omega 3:6 ratio. Flax has a ratio of 4:1 which is essentially the same as found in fresh grass. Hemp has a much higher Omega six value, roughly four times higher than Omega 3.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/Omega%203%20and%20Omega%206/FlaxBOSSpeasCHIAhemp.pdf

You will see in the above chart that the fat content is similar in both flax and hemp

Here are a couple of message from Kathleen whose main gig is in EFA research

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/190319

Here's Kathleen on balancing a similar high profile Omega 6 food

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/159482

And on what happens physiologically when Omega 6 outweighs 3.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/144889

More on  EFAs in general (human research)
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/other-nutrients/essential-fatty-acids


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Brenda Gasch Mittelstadt wrote:
Any thoughts about using Hemp as a carrier?

 
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Bobbie Day
 

Nancy
I’m in the same boat, I have to actually syringe it in Desi, she really getting annoyed with me!


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Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Bumps #file-notice

kmh04330@...
 

My girl developed a bump on the top of her rump a few years ago. I noticed a few small ones on her back and yesterday one on her front inside leg. Anyone seen this happen? She has been on meds maybe 3 years.
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Kathleen Hagerty
Ashland, N.H.
2020


Re: Beet Pulp Inquiry

Brenda Gasch Mittelstadt
 

Hi Louise and all,

Very encouraging. My horses live outside - always in their large paddock. I've newly created track like hay bag stations thats got them exercising in hay-season, thanks to the encouragement of ECIR and others teaching the importance of exercise. I learned I over-improved their pastures over ten years so am letting those wild-back a bit and am now much more cognizant of their removal during spring and fall low-temp nights. They have a variety of grasses, a few herbs like yarrow and burdock (but thats a bugger in the fall) and I've now found they like the ragweed so I'll let a little of that grow and add more herbs. It's been a great learning experience in that I've spent untold hours over the years mowing, and now find that was not the right way to go - so I have more time to ride and enjoy the horses instead! 

I'm glad to hear about the sunflower alternative and appreciate Dr. Kellon's detail on the iron. I should balance my own food as well as some of you (mostly) gals do for your horses!

Thanks to Maxine on the Maxisoy idea. I have two that put on weight so am glad you noted information on that. What are your thoughts about the inflammatory properties of soy?  

I'm ordering the hemp seed to see if their ounce of Uckele VM is palatable in that as carrier for now. The mare, Daisy, (has no CS) and will eat anything. The American Spanish Sulphur is fussier and I think I'm understanding he does not like the wetness of the beets. But to be fair I had pellets/treats that were soaked (just as a trial) and they became mush so that could be more the issue. I did connect with Midwest-Agri and can get their product as well, and for now the 50# of hemp is coming from MN Hemp Farms. 

I'll note everything you've all suggested keep on trying things till I find the right fit. I appreciate very much your time.  Such an adventure in learning. 
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-Brenda

September 2020, Dodgeville WI USA

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brenda%20and%20Stormy


Re: Help with assessing Hoof Pics Lavinia 2ND TRY

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Marsha, 

If he's rocking when not in the boots, but not rocking when they are on, they might be helping him.  Are you soaking the teff hay he is getting?  What does it test at for ESC and starch?  Are his feet comfortably warm to touch?

This is a tough time but the fact that he is moving around some is good.  He is managing his pain right now so there is no rush to make a decision, especially if you see small signs of improvement.  Your bloodwork will help you determine what is going on, and you will have those results soon.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi, I have been very unsuccessful getting Vinnie to eat PQ again. I.have tried anise oil, Beet powder, coco soya granules, lmf low carb, dry crumbled odtbc,, and a few other things to no success.

Being that Vinnie is quite sensitive and we have come so far in 18 days on invokana (i don't want to do anything that would cause a set back).... would it be a bad idea to try sugar free maple syrup or sugar free applesauce? Or maybe coco soya oil instead of granules? 

Or should I just settle with the uckele hemp joint formula with DC which he will eat and call it a day ;) and add in more DC if he needs more? 

Thx in advance 
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Help with assessing Hoof Pics Lavinia 2ND TRY

Buzz
 


-- Hi Lavinia!
I hope I haven't missed your assessment on Buzzy.  I could very well have as I'm still learning to navigatge the site! He is not improving and I am really concerned for him.  The body worker came out today and she thought he was in pain and not much better than the last time she came on Dec. 29th. I took his boots off this afternoon as he keeps rocking back and forth from front to back, left foot to right foot. He has been doing this since the boots, so I don't know if they are bothering him or why he is back and forth on different feet. I have followed Dr. K's advice and am tapering him off the Equiox and trying to get him going on Laminox.  The vet was here last Friday and was not very optimistic. The vet said the trimmer can not take back anymore toe  at this time.? I am seriously getting desperate for help for him. I do not want to cause him misery, yet I want to do all I can for him IF he can come through this. We had the vet out last Fri. to draw blood and ck his ACTH, glucose, and insulin. No results yet. The area around his cornet bands has turned white and has a rather flakey, rough look. He is eating, he is standing more and he is voluntarily coming out of his stall and wandering around in the barn aisle. This all tells me he is doing a tad bit better, but seems other opinions are hinting at putting him down! What to do for him?? ECIR seems to be the most supportive and knowledgeable help I can lean on.  Sorry if I am being impatient! Just very hard to see him in this condition. Thank you so much for helping us!
Marsha and Dame - Buzzy TN 2019

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Marsha%20and%20Dame%20-%20Buzzy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258797


Re: Beet Pulp Inquiry

Maxine McArthur
 

Louise, can you get soyhull pellets? Energreen Maxisoy is the brand I use over here. Similar nutritional profile to beet pulp, but they absorb a lot of water very quickly so are good for getting supplements into good doers by seeming like a big feed when it isn't. Conversely, they are useful to put weight on hard doers or older horses with compromised mastication. 

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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Finding a source of jiaogulan

joannedalpe@...
 

I am trying this one.....

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B077NTVCR6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1
750 mg of extract her the label
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Joanne D in CT 2021

9881 - 9900 of 266974