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Re: Uckeles Jiagloun

Tamara Gonsor
 

I am putting my gelding on it and I hope he gets more energy like this. 

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Tamara G. in Arizona 2020
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tamara%20and%20Malik
Malik Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252564


Re: cough

Sherry Morse
 

The added iron would make me look for something else. If he's had an antibiotic shot what was the diagnosis as to cause of the cough?




Re: Help with assessing Hoof Pics Lavinia 2ND TRY

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Marsha,

No, you haven't missed anything. Please take a moment to breathe - remembering to exhale. Winter can be the hardest time to get these things under control due to the colder temps adding to the problems.

I did take a look at the photos and am finding them to be somewhat confusing - sorry about that. I believe some of them are mislabeled with regards to front/hind and L/R. I did relabel some, and also the rads, to make it a bit less confusing.

Per the radiographs from Dec 2020, there was a slight amount of bony column rotation with ski tips developing, which says this isn't a new issue. Definite capsular rotation (a trim issue), toes out ahead of where they needed to be, thin soles, sinking. Definitely seen a lot worse examples of all of this and per the rads, this was totally fixable with the correct trim adjustments and with getting the underlying cause of the laminitis removed. No reason to believe he can't come back from this.

The toes still need to come back more on the fronts, the hinds are in much better shape in that regard. Heels are underrun on all four, worse on the fronts. Need to make sure that the soles do NOT get touched at all during trims until there is more depth there. Also need to be careful not to lower the vertical height of the hoof capsules, esp. on the fronts, as there is more of the bony column within  than in a healthy individual. The coronets are reacting to being in boots and remaining more moist, hence the white/flakiness. His willingness to move around a bit more is a positive sign. Rocking back and forth is a sign he is uncomfortable, so is shifting his weight from foot-to-foot, front-to-back. His hind end is likely sore and tight from taking more of his weight than it is accustomed to. Massage will help, along with getting the diet tight and needed meds on board to get the insulin under control.

If the boots he is in are the Soft Rides, with one of their inserts, you need to cut off the frog support part of the pad, then trim the pads so they are flat rather than a wedge.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Uckeles Jiagloun

 

Has anyone ever had Jiagloun make their horse fresh/wild ...extra sensitive or reactive ?? I started giving it to my 18yr old Tb geld who has Cushings (treated with Prascend)and had laminitis about 7 yrs ago as added support for his hooves during these cold winter months , and because we now have an indoor so I’m able to ride. He’s been on it for about 5 days or now and he just seems rarin to go and extra... he’s normally kicking quiet like a pleasure horse ...I thought it might be good for him since we’re starting to jump a bit more ..
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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa 
joined 5/19/2016


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

P.S.  Kandace......about beet pulp...have you tried soy hull pellets?
Just add water to moisten, or make soppy, whichever horse prefers.
No rinsing. Add supplements. Others may disagree,but I've never had a horse refuse these.

If supplements are a problem, start back at no supplements.Then start adding back in,teeny,tiny bits at a time. Allow several days from one increase to the next ( I do this ,anyway).
It's time consuming , and everso tedious. But usually it works ( until it doesn't).
And the minerals are going down.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Bumps #file-notice

Starshine Ranch
 

And this was all LONG before she developed PPID.
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Linda  CA  in 2020


Re: Hello again

Anette
 

Hello Sherry, thank you. This horse has been inclined to walk in the grass since we began riding him about three years ago. He was barefoot but not ridden before that. This past weekend was the first time he'd been ridden in a year and I was told he really wanted to be in the grass on the side of the road. So not really new but possibly more. 
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Anette P and Jaywalker
Boomer, NC
Sep.9 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anette%20and%20Jaywalker


Re: Bumps #file-notice

Starshine Ranch
 

One of my mares started getting "bumps" in her girth area when she was quite young.  She is now 18 and my vet  measured and charted them and we check them every year but we never touched them because they really never got bigger.  They look like they could be sarcoids but we've left them alone because disturbing them might make them flare up and so far they have caused no problems.  Yes, you need to get your vet to look and hopefully you get the same results... or maybe they will go away but mine didn't.
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Linda  CA  in 2020


cough

Daisy Shepherd
 

is cough free ok for ir horse;  no fever, just congested cough  more with activity and slightly listless, good appetite,  had antibiotic shot x2 4 days apart. thank you daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Nancy C
 

Hi Kandace

I'd like to add my experience with high insulin and longevity.

Beau's was never controlled and in later years was 50-100 uIU.  Kept his ACTH in the teens.  Worked to reverse his tissue iron overload. Squeaky tight trim.  He was always on the verge of another potential event with insulin this high but we were on alert and adjusted when needed.   Nevertheless, he was able to work on the ground for all but the last years, with a bit of riding.

I get it that soaking hay is not fun.

Wanted you to know what can be possible.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kandace,

Ranting and crying go with the territory, I'm sorry to say.
Hang on.

I went to your CH because ,especially at this point in the nightmare,I wanted to see if there were areas that could be fine-tuned.
But I'm having trouble getting an accurate/current picture, based on what your messages have said....could be me.
Not sure how much hay she is getting,for example. And wonder if she is getting loose , iodized salt? And flax?
Not sure of her pergolide dose ? With 151 pg/ml results at this time of year I would be zeroing in on this big time,if she were mine.
And boots? Shoes? What is the current situation here?
I have more questions,but wonder, if it is not just me, if you could find a minute to update any details that need updating?

Especially when things are so difficult, it's been my experience (having had 7 IR/PPID boys) that getting every detail totally nailed down is so beneficial.
Every penny counts,so it is trés important to be sure to feed only what is known to help. The years and years of on-the-ground experiences of this group are a valuable go-to for this info.
This also applies, of course, to what is being looked at in the hoof area. 
And environmental area.Temperature can be a huge factor.
Even the tiniest detail, seemingly unimportant at first glance, can make a world of difference wrt the horse's quality of life,and therefore the owner's.....not to mention the financial savings, coming from getting value from everything that goes down the hatch.So to speak.

Sorry.Off soap box.
I just remember being in the same place you are now years ago ( the room is nodding), and what a miserable place that is to be. Wanting to help somehow.....to pay forward what I have been taught here.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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test results/ dr kellon if possible

Daisy Shepherd
 

trh pre  13.5, post 34.2;  glucose 108, insulin 19.39 ; gi at 5.57, risqi 0.23, mirg 6.7.  so at present not cushings when should i monitor acth, has a few times been elevated during rise;  not fasting  feeding done by protocol.   the calculator no longer shows the ranges but i think other labs are ok.  all labs except these new ones are in case hx, will get them in soon. thank you so much, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
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Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Kandace Krause
 

Kirsten, Thank you for clearing up a few more questions.
Frankly, I cannot keep this horse if there is a next time.  This winter is a one off and due to Covid it is possible for me to be doing all the work.  I have accepted that I may not be riding her for more than a year, that she may never be a competitive horse again (but I hope), but the expense about  $8000 in vet bills and more to come and hundreds on vitiamins and minerals that she won't even eat, stall bound for another 15 years of her life?  It is not something I can do.  She is not in my backyard and I can't even exercise my other horse for fear that she will hurt her feet when J is taken away.
There has been no sigh of an abcess so far, tho with the NANRIC boots, I cannot see her feet in between trims.
The fact that she won't eat BP the addition of the things she should be being supplemented with scare me, I can't soak out the minerals her hays are providing.
I feel like I am beating my head against a wall, and that it isn't helping either of us.
Sorry, I need to rant and cry.

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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=259062


Re: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. #file-notice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

Yes, PSSM is a biopsy diagnosis. The differentiation between 1 and 2 is the presence of amylase resistant PAS positive material (glycogen).  SomePSSM1 cases are caused by the GYS1 mutation.  Some PSSM2 are characterized by abnormal deposits of the protein desmin which is found with special stains.

The biopsy can also tell you if there is a problem which is not PSSM.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I'd go with the Hemp Joint.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Bumps #file-notice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

This isn't related to PPID or EMS. Need to get your vet to take a look, maybe biopsy.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Beet Pulp Inquiry

Nancy C
 

Hi Brenda

I'm sorry I am late on this. Hemp Seed as a carrier is unfortunately not recommended because of an inverse Omega 3:6 ratio. Flax has a ratio of 4:1 which is essentially the same as found in fresh grass. Hemp has a much higher Omega six value, roughly four times higher than Omega 3.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/Omega%203%20and%20Omega%206/FlaxBOSSpeasCHIAhemp.pdf

You will see in the above chart that the fat content is similar in both flax and hemp

Here are a couple of message from Kathleen whose main gig is in EFA research

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/190319

Here's Kathleen on balancing a similar high profile Omega 6 food

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/159482

And on what happens physiologically when Omega 6 outweighs 3.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/144889

More on  EFAs in general (human research)
https://lpi.oregonstate.edu/mic/other-nutrients/essential-fatty-acids


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 05:44 PM, Brenda Gasch Mittelstadt wrote:
Any thoughts about using Hemp as a carrier?

 
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 12-15, Harrisburg, PA


Re: Phyto Quench and taste tempters

Bobbie Day
 

Nancy
I’m in the same boat, I have to actually syringe it in Desi, she really getting annoyed with me!


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Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Bumps #file-notice

kmh04330@...
 

My girl developed a bump on the top of her rump a few years ago. I noticed a few small ones on her back and yesterday one on her front inside leg. Anyone seen this happen? She has been on meds maybe 3 years.
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Kathleen Hagerty
Ashland, N.H.
2020

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