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weight loss

deb@...
 

Kody is still losing weight even though he is on ad lib hay and never runs out. Is it OK to feed soaked whole lupins to give some protein?


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Debbie Rainbow
Western Australia
2021
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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

PS again,sigh.
If Lavinia says the hoof angles are not appropriate,be sure to take note.

One of the problems with the appliances being used now is that the trim can't be addressed as often as is usually needed with these horses.
But I'll leave that to others more educated than I am wrt  hooves.
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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: WIRX supplement

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Jen,

We have been discussing it a lot recently and have done previously,too.
Jut type WIRX into the Search box,and grab a cupa tea.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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WIRX supplement

Jen
 

Hi All, Just curious if anyone had heard of this supplement Gs WIRX  thoughts? 
https://gsorganicsolutions.com/
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Jen Dunbar, Hr. Main, NL. Canada 2018
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Re: Help with assessing Hoof Pics Lavinia 2ND TRY

Buzz
 

Oh Lavinia!  I so appreciate hearing from you and getting some professional advice regarding his feet.  We are on our way to the barn in a few minutes and will get the gel pads cut down from his boots.  What thickness should the pads be?  He decided to come out of his stall today and take a walk around the barn for the afternoon, which I too think is a good sign.  I am weaning him off the Equiox and have started with the Laminox. Is 1/3 scoop OK for the Laminox? I also have straight J Herb, but don't know if I need to go there?  I am excited and relieved by your comments and help.  I will also get with the trimmer to go over what we need to do.  I hope that doesn't cause a problem as she commented when she was here 2 wks ago that she couldn't take much more off his toe. I'll share the advice with her.  Thank you for your kind words, knowledgeable input and wonderful help you provide for all the horses with this dreadful problem. 
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Marsha and Dame - Buzzy TN 2019

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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Kandace,

Yes thanks. But may I make another suggestion......if you had taken the time needed to write this post,and used it to update your CH,we could all go there and see everything in one place.
Virtually impossible to go back and review messages because even though they give updates,they don't show what has gone on before.Very important details in order to see a pattern.
Then just one message here to say that CH is updated,and 'Bob's your Uncle'.

Why different doses of pergolide?

What do you mean "dangerous"?
You can feed cubes dry, at least I've never had an issue doing this.You can add them to whatever you're hiding the minerals in as a taste tempter.Just thoughts.
Iodized salt?

Not sure what you mean by not knowing what she needs.
Have you reread everyone's messages to you? Answers could be there,but anxiety may have hidden them from you? It happens.

Or please ask exactly what you are wondering about,ok?

But if you're CH is UTD and clear, people will have a much better chance of seeing what is missing and what is not needed.
Details,details,details.

Keep breathing.
In AND out .


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kandace,

I meant to ask you about this when I saw it mentioned and then got pulled into something else, but what is the reason between alternating the Prascend dosage?  IF she needs to the 2mg I'd stick with the 2mg every day as getting her ACTH controlled may help bring her insulin down as elevated ACTH can drive up insulin.  I don't believe there's a reason you can't put the Prascend in the same syringe with the metformin so that's one less time to be going at her with another syringe.




Re: Metformin-When do you figure out if enough is enough.

Kandace Krause
 

Cass, sorry so much going on I can't keep up..
M of M is seeming to reverse violent rejection of syringing.  Two of the three hays have actual mineral ass.so I will trust that mag. is low.  I am sort of making progress on getting minerals added back to her feed (she has been rejecting BP but seems slightly more interested now.)  So I will add magnesium oxide next to her BP.

I give up on cold.  it is cold, period.  she doen't appear to need socks, laminitis is for sure endocronic induced with a neglected long toe as catalyst.

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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Kandace Krause
 

Hello Lorna,
I will try to get to CH but everything changes every day or everyweek and it's hard to keep up.
Hay 18 lbs divided 7lbs am, 11 lbs pm.
Now ODTB cubes 4 oz, soaked twice daily
Now 1 oz or maybe 2 dry BP then r/s/r
as you suggested am back to minute changes and having to pick my battles so far she will eat above if I add 1 tsp flax oil with 1000IU vit. E, nothing else
If she continues to happily eat this I will add something but not sure where to start and my questions on things she needs (I think) are unanswered.
Pergolide increase over last three weeks to now 1.5 tablets Prascend one day, next day2 tablets, then repeat.  She is starting to reject them, in treats and syringing one more thing is not acceptable.  She is becoming a bit dangerous with all this (inroduced mint flavoued milk of magnesia with metformin and she is starting to be a bit less reactive now, progress.)
My vet wants to get insulin down.  I don't know if he is aware of insulin spikes and cold but "K" is on stall rest, which for me is a 12 x 20 run in shed with a panel in front of it.
Her feet are in NANRIC Ultimate boots, which can be seen in xrays.  These are a therapeutic appliance.  Lavina mentioned not liking angles.  I forwarded that coment to vet and asked him to review with farrier.  no answer.
These are direct questions you asked.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
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Re: Uckeles Jiagloun

Nancy C
 

Jiaogulan can help them feel much better, especially the older ones.

My guys have had more energy.  So have I when I have taken it too.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2019-2020
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Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Kandace Krause
 

Back in a better frame of mind, I am thankful and grateful for your help and hope you can keep your horse well.
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Kandace K Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2
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Re: Hello again

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Annette,

Without pictures of the current trim anything is just a guess but it sounds like he's always been a little tender.  Is the loss of muscle tone from just hanging out for over a year or are you seeing more than that?  (Again, pictures would be helpful here). 




Re: Uckeles Jiagloun

Tamara Gonsor
 

I am putting my gelding on it and I hope he gets more energy like this. 

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Tamara G. in Arizona 2020
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tamara%20and%20Malik
Malik Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252564


Re: cough

Sherry Morse
 

The added iron would make me look for something else. If he's had an antibiotic shot what was the diagnosis as to cause of the cough?




Re: Help with assessing Hoof Pics Lavinia 2ND TRY

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Marsha,

No, you haven't missed anything. Please take a moment to breathe - remembering to exhale. Winter can be the hardest time to get these things under control due to the colder temps adding to the problems.

I did take a look at the photos and am finding them to be somewhat confusing - sorry about that. I believe some of them are mislabeled with regards to front/hind and L/R. I did relabel some, and also the rads, to make it a bit less confusing.

Per the radiographs from Dec 2020, there was a slight amount of bony column rotation with ski tips developing, which says this isn't a new issue. Definite capsular rotation (a trim issue), toes out ahead of where they needed to be, thin soles, sinking. Definitely seen a lot worse examples of all of this and per the rads, this was totally fixable with the correct trim adjustments and with getting the underlying cause of the laminitis removed. No reason to believe he can't come back from this.

The toes still need to come back more on the fronts, the hinds are in much better shape in that regard. Heels are underrun on all four, worse on the fronts. Need to make sure that the soles do NOT get touched at all during trims until there is more depth there. Also need to be careful not to lower the vertical height of the hoof capsules, esp. on the fronts, as there is more of the bony column within  than in a healthy individual. The coronets are reacting to being in boots and remaining more moist, hence the white/flakiness. His willingness to move around a bit more is a positive sign. Rocking back and forth is a sign he is uncomfortable, so is shifting his weight from foot-to-foot, front-to-back. His hind end is likely sore and tight from taking more of his weight than it is accustomed to. Massage will help, along with getting the diet tight and needed meds on board to get the insulin under control.

If the boots he is in are the Soft Rides, with one of their inserts, you need to cut off the frog support part of the pad, then trim the pads so they are flat rather than a wedge.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Uckeles Jiagloun

 

Has anyone ever had Jiagloun make their horse fresh/wild ...extra sensitive or reactive ?? I started giving it to my 18yr old Tb geld who has Cushings (treated with Prascend)and had laminitis about 7 yrs ago as added support for his hooves during these cold winter months , and because we now have an indoor so I’m able to ride. He’s been on it for about 5 days or now and he just seems rarin to go and extra... he’s normally kicking quiet like a pleasure horse ...I thought it might be good for him since we’re starting to jump a bit more ..
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Michele Goldberg
Bernville, Pa 
joined 5/19/2016


Re: WAS: Metabolic test results back; seeking interpretation of results. / NOW: Kandace - to soak or not to soak hay

Lorna Cane
 

P.S.  Kandace......about beet pulp...have you tried soy hull pellets?
Just add water to moisten, or make soppy, whichever horse prefers.
No rinsing. Add supplements. Others may disagree,but I've never had a horse refuse these.

If supplements are a problem, start back at no supplements.Then start adding back in,teeny,tiny bits at a time. Allow several days from one increase to the next ( I do this ,anyway).
It's time consuming , and everso tedious. But usually it works ( until it doesn't).
And the minerals are going down.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Bumps #file-notice

Starshine Ranch
 

And this was all LONG before she developed PPID.
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Linda  CA  in 2020


Re: Hello again

Anette
 

Hello Sherry, thank you. This horse has been inclined to walk in the grass since we began riding him about three years ago. He was barefoot but not ridden before that. This past weekend was the first time he'd been ridden in a year and I was told he really wanted to be in the grass on the side of the road. So not really new but possibly more. 
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Anette P and Jaywalker
Boomer, NC
Sep.9 2018
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Re: Bumps #file-notice

Starshine Ranch
 

One of my mares started getting "bumps" in her girth area when she was quite young.  She is now 18 and my vet  measured and charted them and we check them every year but we never touched them because they really never got bigger.  They look like they could be sarcoids but we've left them alone because disturbing them might make them flare up and so far they have caused no problems.  Yes, you need to get your vet to look and hopefully you get the same results... or maybe they will go away but mine didn't.
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Linda  CA  in 2020

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