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Re: Mare swollen like a balloon

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Cyd,

Re: the Standee timothy pellets - Cass (one of our other volunteers) had tested 11 bags back in 2016 and while I don't see the results in her CH folder she said at the time:
I bought and sampled 11 bags of Standlee Timothy Pellets in May. The Equi-Analytical analysis with the lot number in in my case history folder for anyone who is interested. The ESC + starch is low, the iron content high but easily balanceable for the half pound that I use as a carrier for minerals.

Not sure what you mean by 'not doing well' so hard to say if that's a diet issue or something else.  At the very least you can keep her on the Teff but yes, drain them after soaking and before feeding them to her.  That might be enough to keep the ESC+starch in a safe zone for her.

If you run into problems with the CH (either with questions on filling it out or posting it) just let us know where you're getting stuck.  Getting some information in it and getting it up is better than not having one and you can always add to it as you have time.

Dosing Prascend can be an adventure, but I always found it easiest just to use a 3cc syringe and put the pill and a bit of hot water in it and dosing my mare.  If your girl is already spitting bute back at you I'd cease and desist on it ;-)



Re: Moving forward diet, supplement and medication advice

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Leigh,

The long term solution we advocate is dietary change, which means eventually transitioning from the Emergency diet to a diet with tested low-sugar grass-only hay and appropriate minerals balanced to that hay, plus vit E, salt and ground flaxseed.  Medications should only be added if dietary changes are not keeping the insulin controlled, largely because they aren't going to be as effective if the diet isn't already in place.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Mare swollen like a balloon

crfranken
 

Thanks! No one here carries the Timothy Balance Cubes. I can order them, but she said it would take at least 1 week to get them in - maybe longer due to COVID delays and bad weather (it snowed a ton and it's frigid cold, of course). In the meantime, should I try to drain the Teff pellets? I can't soak hay at this time for multiple logistical reasons - it's just not feasible as I am doing this all myself along with a full time job and she isn't a popular pet in our household so no one else is interested in helping. I can maybe take the Teff pellets back and trade them for Timothy? If that's better I can do that. She was on Timothy pellets and wasn't doing well so I switched to the Teff. She's marginally better, but I suppose I can go back to the Timothy and see. 

My vet only did the ATCH test. I would love to get her off the Bute as she hates it anyway and tries to spit it out. The vet did start her on a 1/2 tablet of Pergolide. It's taken a few days for me to get it into her. I am now dissolving it in a small vial of water and squirting it into her mouth. She is a terrible patient.

I will try to get a case history if I can figure it out.

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Cyd F Colorado 2021


Re: Moving forward diet, supplement and medication advice

lfitz66
 

Thank you so much for your input. Her sole has not been touched in many months and I noticed the flaring as well compared to photos from her hooves in 2017:( I will add a couple of those to her album. I would LOVE some mark ups to help guide my farrier. She is very open to input.
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Leigh and May
Michigan
Joined 202
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Leigh%20and%20May
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=260799


Weaning off thyro-l

Suzy Berkowitz
 

My small pony Scout was put on metformin and thyro-l on Feb 4. 1/2 teaspoon twice daily. I have cut back the thyro-l to 1/2 teaspoon once daily on Feb 13. Please advise me on the weaning schedule I should follow since he was only on it for such a short time. Thank you
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Suzy in Fl 2020


Re: Moving forward diet, supplement and medication advice

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Leigh,

Thanks for adding the rads and photos for May.

As Sherry mentioned, May's trim is certainly better than many we see but it does need tightening up. Her toes are too long, heels are underrun and there is some flaring that needs to be addressed. Soles remain thinner than needed. From the series of rads in her album, these have been issues that have not improved over time. She has had some sinking and slight bony column rotation present since the 2018 rads.

Trim needs to back the toes up more, get the heels moved back. Soles need to be left alone - no trimming of any kind on them.

Please let us know if you'd like some mark-ups to help guide the trims.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: How can I tell if my Orchard has fescue

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Bill, this hay doesn't seem like a first cutting but it could be. Most of the bales are lovely soft grass.. in fact the two bales I sample didn't have any seeds..hence buying 60 bales lol.. as I started to feed more, I got worried about the cascading effect of Vinnie's sore feet.. ( which now seems like a breakover issue) with the presence of more of these seed heads in the last bale I opened.

I sent it off to my local ag extension so hopefully will have an answer soon.. I do feel somewhat confident that it will be yellow foxtail based on my research.  Fortunately it isn't in all bales and perhaps only on some edges so far.  If it poses more of a challenge then I will work with the hay provider to switch out the hay for something more suitable.

Side note: It is quite palatable..the horses seem to love it too.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Icelandic Gelding Laminitis Diagnosis Nutrition Guidance Needed

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Sharon, see https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/261480

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Can’t find the link to the Nutritionists

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Sharon,

Its in our files, Section 6 on Diet Balancing.  Here is the link directly to the document:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing/HAY%20BALANCING-1.pdf
They don't have to be in your area to balance your hay and make recommendations.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: How can I tell if my Orchard has fescue

Firstqualityhay@...
 

I’m no expert, but typically first cutting orchard grass and fescue, even in a mix have abundant seed heads.  Unless the hay really goes mature, we don’t see much foxtail.  After first cutting, that’s when it goes crazy - if you don’t take preventative measures.  If the hay is mature, there will be plenty of seed heads of OG and/or fescue.

Not sure what’s going on with that hay.

Best of luck,
Bill
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Bill J. in VA 2020
FirstQualityHay.com


Re: Icelandic Gelding Laminitis Diagnosis Nutrition Guidance Needed

Sharon Bice
 

Hi Sherry!
Is there a list somewhere of equine nutritionists that you all would recommend that specialize in horses that are obese and possibly in early stages of IR or cushings? My one horse has only lost weight b/c of Prascend and the other is younger but on his way I think to having issues. I have found some teff hay and want to see if that would be better than what I am feeding (via hay nets) now - Bermuda. Thx!
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Sharon Bice
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

Taillight's Case History:  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Taillight%20Case%20History

Taillight's Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=257590


Re: Icelandic Gelding Laminitis Diagnosis Nutrition Guidance Needed

ferne fedeli
 

I also have an Icelandic gelding (Magic) that just turned 27 and has been on the ECIR groups recommended diet, etc. for more than 10 years.  He is doing quite well, even though I am no longer riding (I am older than dirt!?!) and he and his donkey buddy cavort in their dry lot daily.  If you have any particular Icelandic questions, feel free to ask me.
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
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Can’t find the link to the Nutritionists

Sharon Bice
 

Could someone pls let me know or provide the link to where the list of great equine nutritionists is? Or let me know who you use and like - maybe someone in the southwest or maybe it does not matter. I have one - Clair at Summit Equine, but she is so hard to get ahold of and super busy. I am in urgent need of some advice. Thx! 
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Sharon Bice, Rio and Tailight
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

Taillight's Case History:  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Taillight%20Case%20History

Taillight's Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=257590


Re: Help Diarrhea and Pergolide

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hi Jennifer, this happened to Summer when I upped her dose of pergolide in the late summertime and Dr Kellon suggested starting her on Uckele Absorb All and that cleared it right up for her.  I kept her on it for two buckets and then just have her on Uckele Gut.  I keep absorb all on hand for flare ups.
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Vinnie Setback Today Sore Feet again

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Cass, the RF sneaker is nailed on the foot.. He has been in a sneaker on the RF since Aug least year, this has always been the more solid foot. He does have some packing material and the sneaker is hollowed near the tip of the coffin to alleviate any possible pressure points.

We think that it is likely breakover, since he is growing quite a bit of foot (toe). We moved our reset up to tomorrow.  Hopefully getting the toe back will make him feel a ton better.

Strange blessings,, am soooo happy that the LF is doing so great finally!!
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: NEW blood work - NEED HELP please

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Tamara,

You'd need a muscle biopsy to determine if he has PSSM but I'd think it's unlikely.



Re: Moving forward diet, supplement and medication advice

Sherry Morse
 

As far as Isox:
Clinical trials appear to support the use of isoxsuprine for treatment of navicular disease. However, poor bioavailability, lack of cardiovascular effects following oral administration, superficial support in clinical trials, and new evidence regarding the pathogenesis of navicular syndrome indicate that the use of isoxsuprine for treatment of navicular syndrome or laminitis is questionable at best.

From 2008:
https://aaep.org/sites/default/files/issues/proceedings-08proceedings-z9100108000337.PDF - refers back to studies in 1997 and 1999, same as the 2014 study

Medications used to improve digital blood flow (acepromazine, glyceryl trinitrate, and isoxsuprine hydrochloride) do not appear to improve the clinical outcomes of horses with laminitis.

Cinnamon has not been found to be effective in treating laminitis (you can do a search on that in our messages as well). 




Re: Vinnie Setback Today Sore Feet again

 

Yes, he's favoring the RF. I'm sure you've kept your farrier/trimmer informed that he looked good in the sneakers for a while and then they stopped working for him on that RF after a while. Maybe he can tweak what's under the sneakers, the pad or hoof packing, to make Vinnie more comfortable. I don't have a lot of experience with different glue-on options, but my Paint is more comfortable with less flexibility in the glue-on. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: NEW blood work - NEED HELP please

Tamara Gonsor
 

Could he also have PSSM? Or does his insulin level alone rule it out?

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Tamara G. in Cave Creek, Arizona 2020
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tamara%20and%20Malik
Malik Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252564


Help Diarrhea and Pergolide

Jennifer Boydstun
 

T-Birds soft stools have become Diarrhea in last 4 weeks. End of July I increased pergolide to 1 tablet from 1/2 tablet and his stools became soft, pasterns swelled but no veil (did not start APF this year).  This happened last year when i increased pergolide as well but never diarrhea. He gets swollen pasterns and soft stools when we increase to 1 tablet and then firms back up when we decrease to 1/2 last year. But not diarrhea.  for 2 weeks I have been giving sand clear and upped his beet pulp from 1 cup twice per day to 2 cups twice per day.
I decreased his pergolide back to 1/2tab 1 week ago (Tried to decrease to .75 tab end of December and he started to sweat at night so i increased to 1 tab again and the sweating stopped) hoping this would help and added 4mls of APF.  He sprayed liquid last night, very concerned. 
The only other item I added to his diet was in October Equithrive Original it is HA and Resveratrol could this have an effect on his gut?

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Jennifer Boydstun
Folsom, Ca.
For T-Birds Windrunner- Tennessee Walker
8-5-18
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20T-Birds%20Case%20History

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=89742

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