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PPID with or without IR

Joy
 

Hello all, 

I've only been at this for a couple years and have a few questions.

Just wondering if PPID and IR automatically go hand in hand or if there are some horses with PPID who don't have or won't develope IR.  If my horse has PPID, but not IR, what are the chances IR will develop?

Also, are there certain dietary requirements specific to IR, but not PPID, or do both conditions benefit from the same diet.

Thanks for your help.

Joy



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Joy and Emmy
WI, Feb 2019
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Re: Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Chemelle,

Aurelio and Dr. K are the ones to answer this really.
But if you are talking about the ODTBC (Timothy Balance Cubes, not to be confused with just Timothy Cubes),they are not just hay.They have minerals,beet pulp added to them.
I imagine that's why., but am open to correction.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Suzy,

Are you referring to the post to Marsha with regard to Buzzy? You would need to continue to add salt, vitamin E and flax, however you wouldn't need to worry about phosphorus, manganese, magnesium, selenium, calcium, zinc, iodine, and copper.




Re: Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

Suzy Berkowitz
 

Thanks Sherry. So I don’t need to add any supplements to the cubes. There was a post earlier where someone said salt and another ingredient( I can’t remember what it was) should be added to the cubes if I was to make it the sole diet. Thanks
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Suzy in Fl 2020


Re: Mare swollen like a balloon

Bobbie Day
 

Cyd
Not sure what part of CO your in but Murdocks ordered them for me . I have to travel to GJ for my supplies, it took a couple weeks but they were able to get them.
And the price wasn’t bad either. Just a thought


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Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

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Re: New blood results not good - advice pls

Lorna Cane
 


Here Francine. Message from Dr. K.
261445, I hope


"Do a Google search for Invokana    Canada

Loads of options and pages like this one that do comparisons https://www.pharmacychecker.com/invokana/#! . There is a huge variation in prices and it changes all the time."
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: New blood results not good - advice pls

lamarleau@...
 

I could not find the info. Is invokana available in Canada?  My vet never heard of this.

I have stop integri-t and cocosoya. The only thing he liked. So discouraging.

I guess I can also stop Metformin at this point. Insulin keeps going up anyway.  Poor little guy. 
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Francine & Magic in Quebec Nov 2020
Was a member 10 yrs ago with Shamy


Re: Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

chemelle
 


Giving Prascend and Invokana together

Patti SoCal 2020
 

Can Prascend and Invokana be given at the same meal or is it preferable for one medication to be given in the morning and one in the afternoon/evening?
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Patti SoCal 2020                                                 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patti%20and%20Sunny


Re: Jherb and pulses question

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Re: Jherb and pulses question

 

Nnot in my experience. My pulse-y mare who has always been on J-herb to encourage hoof growth has detectable pulses in front always, never behind. My non-pulse-y mare had detectable pulses on J-herb only a few times for a few days and each time, there was a reason (abscess, flare of DSLD-like dropped fetlocks). 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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Re: Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Suzy,

To be clear, it's the Ontrario Dehy Timothy Balance Cubes (ODTBC) which are sold in the US under the Triple Crown label as "Triple Crown Naturals Timothy Balance Cubes" that can be used in place of hay without needing extra minerals as each bag is balanced appropriately.  Having said that, as per Aurelio, the replacement value is 3:4 so for every 4lbs of hay you would use 3lbs of cubes instead:



Re: Mare swollen like a balloon

crfranken
 

My feed store does sell Triple Crown, but not the balance cubes. Those are a special order thing because they aren't a big seller here, according to the owner. She sells TC Senior and TC Complete and that's all she carries on the shelf. Everything else needs to be ordered. They also carry Standlee, but I had to order the Teff pellets as they only carry alfalfa and alfalfa blends. 
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Cyd F Colorado 2021


Re: Testing for high Iron

Nancy C
 

Also see Dr Kellon's 2013 NO Laminitis! Conference presentation on Iron Overload. Download is free.

https://www.ecirhorse.org/proceedings-2013.php

Dr Kellon will be presenting new information from her paper with Dr. Gustafson, at the conference in August 2021.

I was present with my farrier for a wonderful gelding who under went blood loss through surgery significant enough to reduce his iron overload status. His insulin was dramatically reduced, but only temporarily. As he recovered, I believe his iron status went up again as well, but I'd have to check that.

In every conversation I have been part of on this topic with Dr Kellon, the key, and the starting point for insulin control, is diet. Same for iron overload. Exercise when possible.  We now have drugs that can be used if needed.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Jherb and pulses question

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

If Jherb increases circulation in the feet, would it be logical to conclude that it could also increase pulses in the feet?
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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
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Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: New Hay - results. Does his current diet align to this new hay well enough?

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Laura,

I get my soy hull pellets from the feed store.
Cattle farmers like them,so many feed store/mills carry them.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: New Hay - results. Does his current diet align to this new hay well enough?

Laura and Ero
 

Thanks everyone! I've signed up for the Grad course and also the March NRC+ (to audit) again. Take 2 (or 3 ...)

@Martha/Lorna - I've also reached out to Dr. K to see if she has advice or adjustments from her first recommendation. Good to know about Uckele as well. I've purchased several products from them (per Dr K) so maybe that's another avenue to try for now. Thanks!

@Cass: Noted on ground flax - can increase him to a cup again. I was initially weighing every serving, but felt that I got it down to a 1/2 or 1 cup (for ease of prepping). I'll revisit this again as well. It's listed above and on my CH (page 4) that he's already eating 1/2 C Stabul 1 (although it's barely noticeable with all of the powder.) Frankly, Ero doesn't seem to need a carrier and I'm really trying to stay diligent about his weight/extra calories. High leptin and he will eat pretty much anything (except moldy hay, thankfully). It's just A LOT of powder. I board and prep his food, but I'm not there to feed in person. :/

Out of curiosity, advice or a link on where to purchase soy hull pellets should I need something in the future?

Appreciate the fast feedback everyone. 

--
Laura and Ero

October 2020 | Colgate, WI USA 

Ero Case History

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Re: New Hay - results. Does his current diet align to this new hay well enough?

ferne fedeli
 

As Cass says, the best way to learn about the balancing is by doing it.  I worked with one of the balancers for the first several times I did the balancing.  I would work through it and then send her a copy of my spreadsheet to double-check for me.  I usually did just fine (it sometimes took me AGES to do!) and finally she said, and I agreed, that I was doing okay on my own, but I could always check back with her if I found something unusual or had a question.
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
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Re: Bloodwork, PPID, EMS Invokana and Pergolide

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 


Triple Crown Timothy Hay Cubes as complete diet

Suzy Berkowitz
 

I saw a post about feeding the cubes as a complete diet. Please help me in what items and in what quantity I need to do this. Thank you
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Suzy in Fl 2020

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