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turnout?

liisaacson
 

Hi All,

How do I know when it is OK to turn Haven out with the rest of my small herd? There are only 2 others and he does not get chased by them. It will be 40 degrees here today and I feel like this is OK. He is not on any NSAIDs and is fairly comfortable walking. 

Thanks in advance,
LIsa
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Lisa and Haven
Independence, MN
2015

Haven's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lisa%20and%20Haven 

Haven's photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=261155 


Re: Begining

 

Thanks, Suzy!  I totally forgot that there may not be a Pages app already on the iPad.  Someone in your position makes the best tutor!
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Begining

Suzy Berkowitz
 

Hi Daune. I only have an iPad also and no computer experience. I couldn’t fill out the form either until I downloaded the pages app from the app store( it’s orange).I then could start filling out the form by double clicking the box I wanted to write in. Hope this helps😊
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Suzy in Fl 2020
Scout Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzy%20Scout
Scout Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=260915


Re: Relevante trim guidelines

Lynn
 

Thank you Lavinia! I am super excited. Since he has been hand walked almost every day since November 2020 I had planned to saddle him, hang a couple 5 lb. sand bags and hand walk him in the arena for 30 minutes. I thought I would do that several times then follow that the next week by getting on and riding (walk only) for 10 or 15 minutes to start. If that sounds like a reasonable introduction to formal exercise then I will implement. I did want to share something I hope will encourage others here that are fighting the good fight. There's a trainer in his late 60s that is often hired by quarter horse breeders near our farm to take on young animals that come to our barn temporarily for him to start/train. He is very well thought of - I like him because he is kind, listens to the horse and pulls from the techniques of a lot of experts ..not just subscribing to one. He gets results because he employs common sense with a non-violent approach. Saturday I had Relevante out and was grooming him and "Cowboy Joe" - who was around when Relevante was first diagnosed and looked terrible with full blown uncontrolled PPID symptoms following laminitis [in this case the dreaded precursor to PPID] - came up to me and said, "You know...I didn't want to say anything...but I really didn't think he was going to make it. I didn't think he would pull out of it. It's amazing what you have done with him. He looks great. So when are you coming back into the arena to ride?" Of course, I was quick to tell him that it wasn't me at all but a whole army of volunteers, vets, our hoof guru Lavinia and others that have carried us through this marathon. I showed him the trim markups we do, the radiograph comparisons that showed such marked improvement and he was quite amazed and interested by what is accomplished by this group. As am I! I am truly overwhelmed with gratitude to everyone who has contributed to us reaching this point in the journey.
--
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Red Light Therapy

Bobbie Day
 

Marsha you could always do what we have discussed here before if she’s in doubt about new growth, paint a line on the coronary band with some fingernail polish, see if it moves down. That’s what I do when I’m convinced we’re not making headway, you’ll probably be surprised.


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Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Begining

 

Hi Daune,
I seem to have replied to you on a different thread.  Please take a look here.  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/262021
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Beginingi

 

Hi Daune,
I’m pretty iPad friendly so I hope I can help you get going.  

First you need to download the case history form and it sounds like you’ve done that and then you have to save it somewhere you can find again.  Let’s use the Cloud because you have access to it.  When you choose to save it , it will go to your Files app where you can select between iCloud Drive and your iPad.  Select iCloud Drive.  You may not have anything else there if you’re the only one using this device.  As you get more comfortable with this, you can even make an ECIR folder in your files and store it there.

When you’re ready to add data to the form, go to Files and look for what you saved there.  When you open the form, in the upper right corner, you will see a circle with 3 dots and a button that says ‘Edit’.  You will need to select Edit in order to add anything to the form.

If this doesn’t get you going, please let me know.  You can send me a private message by selecting ‘Private’ next to the Discard button.  That way we won’t bother others with information they may or may not be interested in.

The iPad is a clever device that can do much of what a full size computer does.  There’s always something new to learn on it.  Just keep me updated with how you are doing.

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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Candy Update: Invokana on board Questions and Concerns re. symptoms and diet

Jennifer Murphy
 

Flea's ACTH is within normal range for the first time in years, and his insulin was 270 when I started him on the Invokana.  I didn't see outward signs of relief until around the beginning of week 3, even though his insulin had dropped to 88 by the 1st week.  I think each equine must respond differently.
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Jennifer in NH
2020

CH - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Flea

Photo album - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251041&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Begining

Daune Gatenby
 


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Daune
Southeastern Massachusetts 
2021

i am so poor at computer (ipad) work i cant do what i have been asked to do by your group.   I have received the history form for ipad but i have no idea how to write in the blocks.   I must need to save it somewhere and then edit it but i have no idea where it gets saved to.    Thanks for your help but right now i am hopeless.   


Re: Lavinia advice on Kodys trim

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Deb,

I took a quick look and the things have definitely improved in the trim department - good job. You can still back both fronts up considerably. Follow the angle of the new growth coming in under the coronary band to the ground - there should not be toe at ground level beyond that point. This is the green line on the rad mark-ups.

You can try him without boots on forgiving surfaces and see how he does. Start with an hour at a time and build it up from there. The fronts did appear to have decent sole depth in the rads.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Relevante trim guidelines

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Lynn,

I've added the latest mark-ups to Relevante's album:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=36909&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

Things continue to improve - YAY! You're into more targeted trimming, focusing on the specific areas that need attention while leaving the others alone. Look at each foot before starting and really "see" what is/isn't there. Watch him move - you want those coveted heel-first landings from him. He's developing concavity all around, which is great. Some of the bars appear to need a bit of attention to tidy up the leading edges of the material that is letting loose. Taper them gently up into the heel buttresses. Roll all the toes under, esp. on the hinds. The heels are standing up straighter but need to have rockers added to all of them to assist in getting them all the way. Really assess the sole depth on both sides of each foot. Check the amount of wall that is proud of the sole at the perimeter - you don't want more than1/4" (6mm).

LF lateral: Orange line shows where we are looking to encourage the heels to eventually end up. The yellow lines are following several of the growth rings across the foot - note the undulating pattern and how all of them dip down at the back. That is due to the heel position, so keeping an eye on those gives you another marker of whether things are improving or not.

LF dorsal sole plane: Yellow  areas are along the tops of the bars where they can be tapered gently back toward the heels. The sole also appears to be flaking - you can gently scrape along those areas with the back of the hoof knife to flip off any that are ready to let go.

LF sole plane: Lime arrows indicate that the heel heights need to be checked, as it looks like the medial heel is longer. Assess the collateral groove depths and the calloused sole plane on each side to determine if that is true or not.

LF sole: Blue hashed areas are where to roll the toe aggressively and where to take the wall out of weight bearing in the heels, plus add those rockers to the heels. Orange rectangles are where the tallest part of the heel buttress should remain. Yellow hashes run along the leading edges of the bars that appear to be ready to do some shedding.

RF lateral: Orange ;ine is again where the heels will eventually be. Blue area is where to roll the toe.

RF dorsal sole plane: Yellow hashes are again along the bars where they appear ready to shed.

RF sole: Blue hashed areas are where the toe gets rolled aggressively and where to take the walls out of weight bearing in the heels. Orange rectangles are where the highest point of the heels remains. Yellow hashes run along the leading edges of the bars, where they can be gently tapered up to the heels.

LH sole plane: Blue line runs thru what appears to be a crack that is ready to snap off that portion of the medial heel, so need to finish what Mother Nature started.

LH sole: Same general idea as the fronts.

RH sole: Same general idea as the other three feet, but note that medial toe wall needs to be brought back inward as it has flared more in that area than the adjacent wall.

As long as he's comfortable and landing heel first, he doesn't need to wear boots. Start introducing formal exercise and listen to what he tells you.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Candy Update: Invokana on board Questions and Concerns re. symptoms and diet

TERRI JENNINGS
 

Hi Shawn,
We saw a huge improvement in Finn and Elliott’s foot soreness within 2 days. Finn was actively laminitic when he started invokana and he was out of his boots within a week and Elliott was out of his boots after just a few days.  Elliott seemed a little tender prior to invokana but not limpy, not laying down a lot and not in the classic laminitic stance like Finn was when started on invokana.  They both became happier and more playful. I did not see any improvement in other symptoms that quickly. Finn started to look quite sleek and lean after a few months. He’s never looked this good.  I think some of the symptoms just take time to resolve.  


--
Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: Managing hoof boots

TERRI JENNINGS
 

We’ve used the cloud boots when needed. Spares are good to have when one is lost somewhere in the field. My boys play a lot when they are feeling good so we’ve had missing boots often. I always feel like I’ve found treasure when one has been found that was lost for a few weeks. 

I switched to corn starch instead of gold bond. It seems to be better for preventing rubs and it’s much cheaper. 

--
Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


Re: Neurogan dosage

TERRI JENNINGS
 

My old guys get 2 scoops once a day and are off of all NSAIDs. I have a gelding with navicular that just started so we will see how he does. I’ll get back to you on him. 
--
Terri Jennings with Teeny, Finn and Elliott
Arcata, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terri%20and%20Teeny
Joined 2019


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Re: Urine testing and grazing muzzle

 

I've used the Munch In Done - they work great!  Be careful for the fit and get them used to it before going out.
--
Sharon P, Elsa  April 2016

 

Courtenay, BC Canada

Elsa, Case History, Photo Album

 

 

 

 


Re: Urine testing and grazing muzzle

Cheryl Oickle
 

Oops correct spelling. Munch n done!

--
Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Flax/fat supplement

Bonnie Eddy
 

My IR mare had allergy testing done and she is allergic to flax and soy (among other things). She is a bit overweight but I believe she still needs some fat supplement. What can I give her? Chia seeds? Vet recommended rice bran but I believe that is inflammatory?
Thanks so much, 
--
Bonnie with Racham (over the rainbow) from Southern California, Nov/2016

Case History
Racham's Photos 
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Re: Balance Cubes with Stabul 1 as complete feed?

cris240z@...
 

Thank you for answering! I do hope he likes the Stabul mixed with his Triple Crown Balance cubes. It has been stressful worrying about him being hungry since he decided he's "over" the Balance Cubes.
Today I tried adding a small amount of Beet Root Powder and a small amount of dried peppermint leaves  the the soaked cubes. He went for it and ate a bit. He feels good I can tell, I think he is just protesting and missing the straight Timothy Pellets he used to get.

His weight is very good right now for him. He is a small pony, apparently "runt" sized based on the other American Shetlands he was rescued with at around 1 year old. He does have fat deposits( I jokingly refer to them as butt implants) but his neck is perfect now without the crest he had years ago. He is neither fat nor skinny.

I will try to figure out the amounts I should feed him of both the Balance cubes and the Stabul 1.
Any help with proper calculations on that would be greatly appreciated. Like I said I am planning to give him 50% Triple Crown Timothy Balance cubes and 50% Satbul 1.
Currently giving him 3.75 lbs. of Balance cubes per feeding, twice a day. But as I said he is now protesting and only eating a tiny bit of them. I don't want him to drop a lot of weight.  And it is awful when they won't eat their meal. Hopefully he will like the flavor of the Stabul mixed with the cubes and we will be good to go.
I am also giving him a bit less than 1/4 cup Chia Seeds(he refuses Flax), iodized salt and a very small amount of the Timothy pellets as a carrier and hiding his 1/2 Prascend inside. He gobbles it all up thank goodness.
As an afternoon treat I bring him diced celery, with a very small handful of roasted salted peanuts, sprinkled with stevia powder. He adores this treat.
I will look into the brewers yeast powder, and appreciate that tip.

I ordered a bag of the Fenugreek flavor Stabul 1 and a bag of the Peppermint flavor. I hope he likes them both so maybe I can mix it up during the week, or not....... We will see.
I am thankful that Triple Crown offers the Balance Cubes, and that the Stabul 1 is available and safe as well for the horses and ponies that are older and have lost the ability to chew/ break down hay!
Thanks so much.

Fenugreek

--
Cris Bliss  California 2018


Re: Neurogan dosage

Bobbie Day
 

Thanks Nancy
i wish I could afford to give it everyone! Going to see if it will work on Desi and our nervous mare.
thx 😊
--
Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821

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