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Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity
March or March and April only since she is fine in summer. Go with the upper dosage suggestion but two weeks before you plan to stop taper it off by going to half dose for one week and 1/4 dose for one week, then stop.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent
Nancy will probably update you herself when she can but the news from UC Davis is that he is improving on blood work and doing well, eating well.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: No Laminitis Conference question
Hi Trisha
Happy to have you send an announcement so she can mark the dates. I do not have a veterinarian invite compiled as of yet. There are two things they need to know.
On a related note for hoof pros: we received the OK for 20 CE credits for members of Progressive Hoof Care Professionals. Awaiting similar from Professional Farriers Association. Thanks for thinking of this, Trisha. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2020-2021 Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room
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Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity
Awsome! It is BO on madbarn website, will see if if will go in stock soon! Do I give it just in spring? or year round? --
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Re: Jiaogulan source
gypsylassie
Hi Maria, even though you aren't ordering from My Best Horse, Joan may be able to answer the dosing question for you. Through the years I've emailed her with a few questions and she has been very nice with answering.
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL
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Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity
What you are describing is problems during the spring transition. Many mares experience cystic follicles for the first one or two cycles. Yes, Chasteberry may help her with that.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Pergolide dose
Martha,
1.33 is larger than 1.30556 so your number should be larger. In any case. there's no way a compounder is going to get four decimal place accuracy and a conversion factor of 1.3 is fine, although if the prescription is written correctly it doesn't matter. -- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace
Sandy,
The smart way to start minerals is to make sure your mares will eat the carrier first. Dampen it just slightly, add a teaspoon salt, and feed it instead of "grain." Once that's accepted, add in stabilized ground flax seed. Horses generally like it. Once that's accepted, add in Vitamin E gel caps with oil. Without a case history, I don't know the weight of your mares, but 1000 IU of Vitamin E in gel caps with oil would be safe. If you're using 400 IU gel caps, then you need to add 3. Once that's accepted....you get the idea. Go slowly. After Amino Trace arrives, add it a teaspoon at a time. Horses used to sweet feed can take a while a accept safe carriers. I haven't read through all your posts to scrape up the details of your mares' weights and your feeds, so I'm not sure what carriers you're using. A case history would be a help. As for hypothyroidism, two issues occur often. One is that horses haven't been fed adequate Iodine and Selenium in the diet. Both are required by the thyroid gland to operate normally. The second is that severe EMS or PPID (or other disease) can affect the thyroid function, causing a condition called Euthyroid Sick Syndrome. Correct the underlying nutritional and health issue, and thyroid levels normalize. Here's a message from Dr Kellon explaining Euthyroid Sick Syndrome: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/256520 Bottom line: get your mares the essential nutrients they require and control their metabolic conditions. If and when you're ready to recheck thyroid function, post again to learn the details of better thyroid tests than T4 alone. My Diamond arrived with very low whole blood selenium and who knows what level for prior iodine supplementation. Her T4 thyroid test was very very low, 0.164 when the normal range is 1-3 ug/dl. Thyroid tests were normal after 9 months of proper nutrition. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos
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Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace
I worked with Dr. Alan Klide https://www.amazon.com/Veterinary-Acupuncture-Alan-M-Klide/dp/0812218396 , using both needle and electroacupuncture on horses with laminitis. Very poor results on the cases I have seen.
-- Eleanor in PA www.drkellon.com
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Re: CVS vitamin E capsules -- bad smell?
Hi, Susan.
No, a bad odor is NOT normal. Return them for a refund. I've had Vitamin E capsules stored too long and they expired. They had a bad odor. You should smell nothing more than a faint vitamin odor I always associate with kids' vitamins. Make sure the gel caps contain oil. Ignore the Vitamin E in CA Trace. Add the full amount of Vitamin E from capsules containing oil. The number of capsules depends on their potency, whether 400 IU or 1000 IU, and the weight of your horse. You want to give a minimum of 1000 IU Vitamin E per 500 lbs body weight. So for a 1000 pound horse, give 2000 IU of Vitamin E/day, which is 2 gel caps of 1000 IU Vit. E or 5 gel caps of 400 IU Vit. E. FWIW, my fussy mare dislikes the larger 1000 IU gel caps and easily eats the 400 IU capsules. -- Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012 ECIR Group Moderator Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder Cayuse Photos Diamond Photos
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Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace
My horse would NOT eat the amino trace. She could sniff out even a couple of pellets. I tried and tried. She will take the Omeity p from Mad Barn though.
-- Cheryl and Jewel Oct 2018 Port Alberni BC Canada https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063
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Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace
Trisha DePietro
Hi Sandy. Red light therapy can be used on the TING points of the hooves. I do not believe there is any research on if it helps with laminitis inflammation or laminitic pain specifically. I do not think it would hurt them. But you would have to try it and see how it goes. Not sure which Red light you are using, but the folks who sell them are helpfull with anecdotal information and may have some research on the effects on laminitis. IF you want to relieve pain, I would support their little hooves with baby diapers cut to create a pad and duct tape them to their feet....that should give them some support and its cheap and easy to do.
Sorry I can't help with the thyroid information. I too like to try natural remedies, but during a crisis I prefer to get my horses comfortable first with "western" medicine and then combine the "eastern" medicine after stabilization to maintain and enhance. -- Trisha DePietro Aug 2018 NH Dolly and Hope's Case Histories Dolly's Photos Hope's Photos Primary Responder
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Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace
jmc
I've been using AT+ for a little over a year now. My horse eats it, no problem, in his soup (I only soak the cubes, at dinner I add the supps and more water)
The mini mules used to eat it no problem. We lost one in November, but the remaining mini mule ate it fine until about a month ago - but the volume of her meal is much less because she won't eat wet feed (I skim the top layer of soaked cubes for her). Im currently trying to find a way to get her to eat it consistently. -- Jodi June 2018 NW Wyoming Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386
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Re: Pergolide dose
It was pointed out to me that the conversion value is not 1.33, which I estimated from remembering 1 1/3. The actual value is 1.30556. When you do the same calculation using that value, you will need 6.51 mg Prascend, rather than the 6.39 mg I suggested earlier. It’s not making a difference in how much Prascend you can give at this dose but it might if the dose were much larger. I didn’t want to misinform anyone and appreciate the correction.
-- Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response July 2012
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)
Martha and Logo
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No Laminitis Conference question
Trisha DePietro
Hi. Would it be ok to send my vet the announcement from Nancy Collins regarding the Conference? I am hoping he needs the continuing Education credits and will virtually attend.... Or Is there a special invitation we could share with our vets that you would prefer us to use?
-- Trisha DePietro Aug 2018 NH Dolly and Hope's Case Histories Dolly's Photos Hope's Photos Primary Responder
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Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity
Hi all!, My mare sonara have been really comfortable all winter with her hoof, being super happy and moving like a normal horse. She has been booted, leg warmed and blanketed winter long! All was good! No change in anything... She still has her supplements of jiaogulan, arginin, magnésium, aminotrace+ selenium/vitE, omega oil and salt. Her weight is really nice, I feel easily her ribs, she still have some fat pads, but really less than before. Since I blanket, her body seem to feel no need to take 150lbs in fall and she doesn't fatten anymore, she stay super steady and she is probably one of the leanest horse of the barn. I was wondering to maybe try some chasteberry? she is not cushing, she have been tested on the normal range! but as chasteberry can help all hormonal issues... I could put her on chasteberry on spring? the rest of the year she is A1.. summer is her good period and we had a really nice winter until now! spring is always harder... (no access to grass we still have like 2 feets of snow here) so what do you think? Chasteberry? Also her ovaries are ok! but we did not tested for FSH and LH because my vet told me that even tho we found a problem there, there is nothing to do with that so at the end it does nothing except cost me money (which I spend already a ton on that mare aahah)
So chasteberry could help? not? something else?
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CVS vitamin E capsules -- bad smell?
S Kauffmann
Hey Everyone,
I was looking through previous comments about sources of vitamin E and saw that some people were using CVS capsules, so I ordered some. They just arrived yesterday -- were quite cold when I first opened the bottle (having sat in a cold parcel locker for a few hours), but seemed fine. This morning, however, they have warmed up to room temp, and when I opened the bottle, there was an unpleasant smell. Is this normal or should I return them? Also wondering how many a day you would add to a horse's diet who is on the regular Cal Trace. Thank you! -- Susan K in NV 2003
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Re: Jiaogulan source
Hi Maria
I’m in the UK and I used to buy all my J-herb from My Best Horse (in the US). In those days the UK was part of the EU. Delivery was pretty fast (Covid is likely to be creating complications with this, though) and there were no Customs fees to pay. My Best Horse products are very good quality, too. Lesley and over the bridge Omar, UK, 2012 -- Lesley and over the bridge Omar, 11-2012, Cambridge, UK Omar - Case History
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Custom mineral mix vs commercial cost comparison
Joanne Jordan
Hi all, Lurker here coming out of hiding to share. It took me well over a year to take the plunge and order a custom mineral mix to balance a load of tested timothy hay. Prior to that, I fed California Trace Plus. For those hesitating to have an ECIR balancer look at your tested hay and prescribe a mineral mix due to cost, please stop hesitating and do it! We chose Horse Tech to prepare the mix and the cost is actually LESS than CA Trace +. Even better, we now no longer guess and hope minerals are balanced AND the horses love the taste. No more wasted balancer. Joanne in Olympia WA Gusto, IR-suspected mustang Tico, IR-suspected mustang
-- Joanne Jordan in Olympia, WA 2019 Gusto case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joanne%20and%20Gusto Gusto photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=237686
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Re: Pergolide dose
Thanks. I thought that was what I remembered from a few years ago. There is a difference between the 2. I am going to go with the 6.5 tablets of Prascend, so they will last until Monday, which is when my prescription will come in. My vet wants to drop her back to 1 mg. Her last test in Feb. on 8.5 came back at 15.3; however I know for a fact the samples aren't spun down for more than an hour and he doesn't have a centrifuge on his truck. I told him I'd try 7.5 mg if he could guarantee to spin the sample within an hour. It sure would be nice to compare apples to apples! Helen, Josie and Kyra May 2016 Brunswick, VT, USA Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Josie Josie's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22630 Kyra's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1370
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