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Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

March or March and April only since she is fine in summer. Go with the upper dosage suggestion but two weeks before you plan to stop taper it off by going to half dose for one week and 1/4 dose for one week, then stop.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Nancy will probably update you herself when she can but the news from UC Davis is that he is improving on blood work and doing well, eating well.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: No Laminitis Conference question

Nancy C
 

Hi Trisha

Happy to have you send an announcement so she can mark the dates.  I do not have a veterinarian invite compiled as of yet.

There are two things they need to know. 

  1. There are 18 AAVSB RACE credits for $250.
  2. This is a LIVE event, so she' has to be "in the room" to get the credits. While there will be recordings available to all attendees for a period of time post conference,  there are no On Demand CE Credit sessions for vet pros.

On a related note for hoof pros: we received the OK for 20 CE credits for members of Progressive Hoof Care Professionals.  Awaiting similar from Professional Farriers Association.

Thanks for thinking of this, Trisha.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity

jessica skene
 

Awsome!

It is BO on madbarn website, will see if if will go in stock soon!

Do I give it just in spring? or year round?

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Jessica Skene  - Abitibi, Québec, Canada
Sonara => Canadian X QH mare , 14 years old, historic of founder and Laminitis, IR / EMS

october 2017

Link to case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/SonaraCaseHistory2019.pdf
Link to album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10295&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Link to hay analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/analysedefoin.pdf


Re: Jiaogulan source

gypsylassie
 

Hi Maria, even though you aren't ordering from My Best Horse, Joan may be able to answer the dosing question for you.   Through the years I've emailed her with a few questions and she has been very nice with answering.   
Laura K Chappie & Beau over the bridge
2011 N IL



Re: Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

What you are describing is problems during the spring transition. Many  mares experience cystic follicles for the first one or two cycles. Yes, Chasteberry may help her with that.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pergolide dose

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Martha,

1.33 is larger than 1.30556 so your number should be larger. In any case. there's no way a compounder is going to get four decimal place accuracy and a conversion factor of 1.3 is fine, although if the prescription is written correctly it doesn't matter.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace

 

Sandy,
The smart way to start minerals is to make sure your mares will eat the carrier first. Dampen it just slightly, add a teaspoon salt, and feed it instead of "grain." Once that's accepted, add in stabilized ground flax seed. Horses generally like it. Once that's accepted, add in Vitamin E gel caps with oil. Without a case history, I don't know the weight of your mares, but 1000 IU of Vitamin E in gel caps with oil would be safe. If you're using 400 IU gel caps, then you need to add 3. Once that's accepted....you get the idea. Go slowly. After Amino Trace arrives, add it a teaspoon at a time. Horses used to sweet feed can take a while a accept safe carriers. I haven't read through all your posts to scrape up the details of your mares' weights and your feeds, so I'm not sure what carriers you're using. A case history would be a help.

As for hypothyroidism, two issues occur often. One is that horses haven't been fed adequate Iodine and Selenium in the diet. Both are required by the thyroid gland to operate normally. The second is that severe EMS or PPID (or other disease) can affect the thyroid function, causing a condition called Euthyroid Sick Syndrome. Correct the underlying nutritional and health issue, and thyroid levels normalize. Here's a message from Dr Kellon explaining Euthyroid Sick Syndrome: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/256520 Bottom line: get your mares the essential nutrients they require and control their metabolic conditions. If and when you're ready to recheck thyroid function, post again to learn the details of better thyroid tests than T4 alone. My Diamond arrived with very low whole blood selenium and who knows what level for prior iodine supplementation. Her T4 thyroid test was very very low, 0.164 when the normal range is 1-3 ug/dl.  Thyroid tests were normal after 9 months of proper nutrition.

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I worked with Dr. Alan Klide https://www.amazon.com/Veterinary-Acupuncture-Alan-M-Klide/dp/0812218396 , using both needle and electroacupuncture on horses with laminitis.  Very poor results on the cases I have seen.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: CVS vitamin E capsules -- bad smell?

 

Hi, Susan.
No, a bad odor is NOT normal. Return them for a refund. I've had Vitamin E capsules stored too long and they expired. They had a bad odor. You should smell nothing more than a faint vitamin odor I always associate with kids' vitamins. Make sure the gel caps contain oil.

Ignore the Vitamin E in CA Trace. Add the full amount of Vitamin E from capsules containing oil.  The number of capsules depends on their potency, whether 400 IU or 1000 IU, and the weight of your horse. You want to give a minimum of 1000 IU Vitamin E per 500 lbs body weight. So for a 1000 pound horse, give 2000 IU of Vitamin E/day, which is 2 gel caps of 1000 IU Vit. E or 5 gel caps of 400 IU Vit. E.  FWIW, my fussy mare dislikes the larger 1000 IU gel caps and easily eats the 400 IU capsules.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace

Cheryl Oickle
 

My horse would NOT eat the amino trace. She could sniff out even a couple of pellets. I tried and tried. She will take the Omeity p from Mad Barn though.



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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Sandy. Red light therapy can be used on the TING points of the hooves. I do not believe there is any research on if it helps with laminitis inflammation or laminitic pain specifically. I do not think it would hurt them. But you would have to try it and see how it goes. Not sure which Red light you are using, but the folks who sell them are helpfull with anecdotal information and may have some research on the effects on laminitis. IF you want to relieve pain, I would support their little hooves with baby diapers cut to create a pad and duct tape them to their feet....that should give them some support and its cheap and easy to do. 

Sorry I can't help with the thyroid information. I too like to try natural remedies, but during a crisis I prefer to get my horses comfortable first with "western" medicine and then combine the "eastern" medicine after stabilization to maintain and enhance.


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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: Question on thyroid and Mad Barn Amino Trace

jmc
 

I've been using AT+ for a little over a year now. My horse eats it, no problem, in his soup (I only soak the cubes, at dinner I add the supps and more water)

The mini mules used to eat it no problem. We lost one in November, but the remaining mini mule ate it fine until about a month ago - but the volume of her meal is much less because she won't eat wet feed (I skim the top layer of soaked cubes for her). Im currently trying to find a way to get her to eat it consistently.
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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Re: Pergolide dose

 
Edited

It was pointed out to me that the conversion value is not 1.33, which I estimated from remembering 1 1/3.  The actual value is 1.30556.  When you do the same calculation using that value, you will  need 6.51 mg Prascend, rather than the 6.39 mg I suggested earlier.  It’s not making a difference in how much Prascend you can give at this dose but it might if the dose were much larger.  I didn’t want to misinform anyone and appreciate the correction.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


No Laminitis Conference question

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi. Would it be ok to send my vet the announcement from Nancy Collins regarding the Conference? I am hoping he needs the continuing Education credits and will virtually attend.... Or  Is there a special invitation we could share with our vets that you would prefer us to use?  
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Seasonal hormonal peak and hoof sensitivity

jessica skene
 

Hi all!,

My mare sonara have been really comfortable all winter with her hoof, being super happy and moving like a normal horse. She has been booted, leg warmed and blanketed winter long! All was good!

No change in anything...

She still has her supplements of jiaogulan, arginin, magnésium, aminotrace+ selenium/vitE, omega oil and salt.

Her weight is really nice, I feel easily her ribs, she still have some fat pads, but really less than before. Since I blanket, her body seem to feel no need to take 150lbs in fall and she doesn't fatten anymore, she stay super steady and she is probably one of the leanest horse of the barn.

She started to shed about 2 weeks ago and started to begin a bit sensitive on the hooves... so I wonder if the hormonal change in spring is triggering something? She is also hyper sensitive on udder right now and I see her on the boys pretty often so I see that her heat have restarted...

I was wondering to maybe try some chasteberry? she is not cushing, she have been tested on the normal range! but as chasteberry can help all hormonal issues... I could put her on chasteberry on spring? the rest of the year she is A1.. summer is her good period and we had a really nice winter until now! spring is always harder... (no access to grass we still have like 2 feets of snow here) so what do you think? Chasteberry?

Also her ovaries are ok! but we did not tested for FSH and LH because my vet told me that even tho we found a problem there, there is nothing to do with that so at the end it does nothing except cost me money (which I spend already a ton on that mare aahah)

 

So chasteberry could help? not? something else?
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Jessica Skene  - Abitibi, Québec, Canada
Sonara => Canadian X QH mare , 14 years old, historic of founder and Laminitis, IR / EMS

october 2017

Link to case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/SonaraCaseHistory2019.pdf
Link to album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=10295&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Link to hay analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20Skene%20and%20Sonara/analysedefoin.pdf


CVS vitamin E capsules -- bad smell?

S Kauffmann
 

Hey Everyone,

I was looking through previous comments about sources of vitamin E and saw that some people were using CVS capsules, so I ordered some. They just arrived yesterday -- were quite cold when I first opened the bottle (having sat in a cold parcel locker for a few hours), but seemed fine. This morning, however, they have warmed up to room temp, and when I opened the bottle, there was an unpleasant smell. Is this normal or should I return them? Also wondering how many a day you would add to a horse's diet who is on the regular Cal Trace. Thank you!
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Susan K in NV
2003


Re: Jiaogulan source

Lesley Fraser
 

Hi Maria

I’m in the UK and I used to buy all my J-herb from My Best Horse (in the US). In those days the UK was part of the EU. Delivery was pretty fast (Covid is likely to be creating complications with this, though) and there were no Customs fees to pay. My Best Horse products are very good quality, too.

Lesley and over the bridge Omar,
UK, 2012

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Lesley and over the bridge Omar,
11-2012, Cambridge, UK

Omar - Case History


Custom mineral mix vs commercial cost comparison

Joanne Jordan
 


Hi all,

Lurker here coming out of hiding to share. It took me well over a year to take the plunge and order a custom mineral mix to balance a load of tested timothy hay. Prior to that, I fed California Trace Plus. For those hesitating to have an ECIR balancer look at your tested hay and prescribe a mineral mix due to cost, please stop hesitating and do it!  

We chose Horse Tech to prepare the mix and the cost is actually LESS than CA Trace +. Even better, we now no longer guess and hope minerals are balanced AND the horses love the taste. No more wasted balancer. 

Joanne in Olympia WA
Gusto, IR-suspected mustang 
Tico, IR-suspected mustang 
+2 other non-IR horses enjoying mineral-balance diets! 



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Joanne Jordan in Olympia, WA 2019
Gusto case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joanne%20and%20Gusto
Gusto photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=237686 



Re: Pergolide dose

 


Thanks.  I thought that was what I remembered from a few years ago.  There is a difference between the 2.  I am going to go with the 6.5 tablets of Prascend, so they will last until Monday, which is when my prescription will come in.  My vet wants to drop her back to 1 mg.  Her last test in Feb. on 8.5 came back at 15.3; however I know for a fact the samples aren't spun down for more than an hour and he doesn't have a centrifuge on his truck.  I told him I'd try 7.5 mg if he could guarantee to spin the sample within an hour.  It sure would be nice to compare apples to apples!
Helen, Josie and Kyra
May 2016
Brunswick, VT, USA
Case Histories: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Helen%20and%20Josie 
Josie's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=22630 
Kyra's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1370

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