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Message Posting Etiquette - Keeping ECIR User Friendly

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Monday, 15 March 2021

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Message Posting Etiquette

This is a high volume group that can be difficult to follow. Help make it easier for everyone by following the Message Posting Guidelines below:
1) Sign your posts. This is a very large group.  Whenever posting a message, identify yourself and your equine by using your full ECIR Signature with your first name, location, the date you joined and the links to your Case History folder and Photo Album. The volunteers need all this information to provide quality responses and suggestions for local support, vendors, vets and hoof care. 
 
2) Be clear in your posts. If you need to quote a line this is most easily done using the web to reply (not from email). Once you have the message you want to reply to on your screen, copy the text you want quoted, then paste it into the reply message composer.  Highlight the text you are quoting and then click on the quotation marks in the toolbar.  
3) Be considerate of the Support Team. They volunteer to help members in their spare time. Many have full time jobs. Unless you are in an emergency read the Start Here Files and check the archives to see if your question has been answered before.  Many new member's questions are answered there.
4) Discussion should always take place on the forums so all members can learn from the conversation and the support team can help clear up confusion.  
5)  Try not to hijack threads.  Start a New Message or change the subject line to discuss issues not covered by the subject line.
6) Don't immediately re-post.  Give “missing” posts a few hours before reposting. For unanswered messages, be patient. A lack of response is not personal or a reflection on you in any way. With so many posts some do get missed. Unless in an emergency situation, wait roughly 48 hours before re-posting and edit the subject line with "2nd Try". 
7) Off-topic but horse-related discussions: ECIR Horsekeeping Forum provides a place to discuss issues involving non-PPID/EMS horses, general horse keeping practices, other equine health issues, alternative therapies and any equine related philosophical debates.
8) All discussion about horses with PPID and EMS takes place in the ECIR Forum. Hoof related discussion for horses that do not have PPID/EMS takes place in the ECIR Hoof Forum
 Thank you for your cooperation.
 
- The ECIR Group support Team
 
 


Re: Riosa and upcoming blood tests

 

Thanks, Nancy. The muzzle isn't something I will do to my very compliant good patient, and I'm uncomfortable with needles. My glucometer has been throwing error codes in cold weather.  Annoying device,  maybe needs new battery. Works like a charm on my in the house. 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: IR + Arthritis help

Allison
 

Thats awesome. Is he on any other sort of joint support or anti inflammatory? 
--
Allison in Ontario 2020

Sonseeahray Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Sonseeahray
Keegan Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Allison%20and%20Keegan
Keegan XRays and Hooves Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=255699&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Deb Walker
 

Nancy...just seeing this. You have definitely been through the wringer. I am so happy you are seeing some positive things and pray Vinnie will continue to improve as you sort out what to do next.
--
Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Looking for support- PPID/IR

Laura
 

Thank you so much Dr. Kellon and Maxine,
I truly appreciate the kindness, support and information.
I am working now on my case history and am trying to absorb everything like a sponge!

Thank you again - much, much appreciated!
--
Laura D in CT 2021


Re: Riosa and upcoming blood tests

Nancy C
 

Hi Cass

I tried, and tried, and tried, to get it via human stick in the nose, which at the time was what was recommended. No go.

To our great good fortune, a vet taught me how to draw from the jugular in the same way they do for blood draw. It is a skill I have found that takes relearning if you don't do it often, but that may just be me. You need needles and tubes...info here:

https://horses.extension.org/how-do-you-draw-blood-from-a-horse-where-is-the-best-spot-and-how-do-you-locate-the-veins-to-draw-from/

My vet supplied e with the needles and tubes. I bought the syringes on line
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Lynn
 

Fantastic news Nancy!! So happy for you!!
--
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Riosa and upcoming blood tests

 

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 08:54 AM, Nancy C wrote:
I have purchased and used a glucometer.  The strips were expensive but the info was worth it and less expensive than bringing my vet out.
Nancy, where do you draw blood from? 
 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Dr Kellon,
If he was actually hyperthyroid then it could have been aggravating things but on its own, no.
I think he was hyperthyroid as his thyroid values were high the Jan and Feb tests.

Also latest update just now  Fantastic news, Vinnie's triglycerides are down to 527. He was a bit foot sore yday so they gave him low dose of pain meds for for first time in his stay but today he is not sore so this is good news as well.
 
They pulled for insulin Friday and will again tomorrow so that will be interesting to see with the glucose therapy and the 10.1 % hay what his insulin is doing.
 
We talked about how we could apply balanced use of invokana with testing  once he is fully stabilized to manage insulin.
--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Tribute Wholesome Blends

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Just a quick note that the NSC is the same as ESC + starch in a product like this because the ingredients don't contain fructan.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 02:57 PM, Nancy & Vinnie & Summer wrote:
1. Is it possible that the high thyrol supplementation contributed to the hypertriglyceridemia? Thinking out loud about how it could increase calorie use??  If he was actually hyperthyroid then it could have been aggravating things but on its own, no.

2. Is it possible this all began around 2/9 and I mistakenly thought it was ppid contributing to the sore feet when in reality it could have been metabolic hypertriglyceridemia?
Without detailed blood work from then, you'll never know but it's highly unlikely his insulin was high.
3. How long does he need to be off prascend to get a good trh stim.  Contemplating having it run with the insulin panel tomorrow?
Should be 2 to 4 weeks after stopping Prascend.
 
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Laminitis from lack of movement ???

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Little movement, especially in winter, could certainly aggravate the negative circulatory effects of high insulin. I would try Jiaogulan first.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Looking for support- PPID/IR

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Welcome Laura,

We all know you are trying hard. You wouldn't be here if you weren't! Once your case history is up we will be  best able to help you but in the meantime I want to touch on the  metabolic issues.

Drafts, QHs and PSSM (aka EPSM) horses are very insulin sensitive rather than resistant. Your horse's laminitis and insulin resistance/high insulin  may have come from the PPID/Cushing's or the high fat diet - or both.  While it's possible that PSSM may aggravate the Shivers gait, Shivers is not caused by PSSM https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25714471/ .

The reason for the low carbohydrate diet in PSSM is to limit the amount of glycogen that  can be deposited while with IR it is to limit insulin stimulation. The low carbohydrate portion of the PSSM diet is appropriate for PPID/IR (if it's low enough) but the high fat is a problem. You can substitute acetyl-L-carnitine for the high fat https://uckele.com/acetyl-l-carnitine.html , 1 gram per 100 lbs of body weight, twice daily. If this is your first Uckele purchase, use coupon code UHNWELCOME for 10% off and you can use ECIR coupon code for any subsequent purchases. ALCar also helps with nerve damage (but not a quick fix).
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Riosa and upcoming blood tests

hdavis
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon!!!  Will give this a whirl!


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Eleanor Kellon, VMD <drkellon@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2021 1:52:31 PM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ECIR] Riosa and upcoming blood tests
 
"Racehorse oats" are extra heavy, grade 1 oats - best quality.  Yes, r/s/r BP.

You can cut back 3 to 4 lbs of hay for every 2 lbs of oat/BP mixture
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


--
Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Oh couple more questions.

1. Is it possible that the high thyrol supplementation contributed to the hypertriglyceridemia? Thinking out loud about how it could increase calorie use??

2. Is it possible this all began around 2/9 and I mistakenly thought it was ppid contributing to the sore feet when in reality it could have been metabolic hypertriglyceridemia?
3. How long does he need to be off prascend to get a good trh stim.  Contemplating having it run with the insulin panel tomorrow?

I am thinking about the plans for when he comes home.

Thanks Nan
--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Riosa and upcoming blood tests

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

"Racehorse oats" are extra heavy, grade 1 oats - best quality.  Yes, r/s/r BP.

You can cut back 3 to 4 lbs of hay for every 2 lbs of oat/BP mixture
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Dr Kellon, so all still comes back to insulin!!...wow!. Vinnie is making me learn soooo much!!


--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hypertriglyceridemia per se doesn't cause laminitis - e.g. starved horses don't get laminitic. It's  the high insulin that goes along with metabolic hypertriglyceridemia in some animals that causes the laminitis.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: IR + Arthritis help

Joy V
 

He's super comfortable on it, and would be rideable if he wasn't constantly having laminitis from outside issues.  He just had a 3 week bout of laminitis because we got a bunch of rain and the grass really sprang up in his paddock over a couple of days time.  I've been killing it and covering it but he still got enough to affect him (which reminds me I need to update his case history again).  He's finally doing much better this week, so hopefully I can start him with hand walking in the next few days.  It's been rough, because there was a tenant at the barn who would sneak and feed him carrots and apples.  She finally got kicked out of the apartment there I think it was before Christmas, and Willie of course improved greatly for about 5 weeks, and then the rain came and grass started sprouting up.  He was walking and trotting 30 mins a day, but in turn out, not riding.  I haven't ridden him much at all though.  It seems like there's always a set back when he's looking good enough for me to get on.  Fingers crossed I can keep him treat and grass free.  We should be go to go then. 


--
Joy and Willie (PPID/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Willie
Willie's photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=242526


Re: CVS vitamin E capsules -- bad smell?

Starshine Ranch
 

Thank you...
Well DARN!   I will be sending all those back. 
I just went on to Lucky Vitamins and they have a good variety of vit e caps that contain oil.  I already ordered some.
--
Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara

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