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Re: Finding Prascend

Maxine McArthur
 

Sorry, Maria. Try “Pergoquin”. Made by Richters in Australia. Next time I’ll spell check! 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
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NEW MEMBER-- Need some help!

jodie@...
 

The vet is coming in the morning, but I need some guidance.

My apologies for not setting up a profile for my horse yet, but I just need to know how to help my horse tonight.

Harley 15.2 Tennessee Walking Horse 21 or 22
I've had him for over 10 years now. Rock solid good guy.

We've been fighting penis cancer about 1 1/2 years. Surgery to remove a growth went great. Done a couple of rounds of chemo to keep it at bay. So in January when I saw his sheath start to swell I called the vet and we decided to do another round of chemo as it was time anyway. She thought perhaps being dirty (penis cancer makes for a lot of smegma) getting him cleaned and then treated would take care of it. The chemo (cream) ended in early March. After the first chemo his sheath had swollen, so I waited four weeks. It hadn't gone down. So I called first thing last week to have her come out. She'll be here in tomorrow first visit of the day.

At the end of the week I noticed he was losing top line, his hips sticking out a bit. Or was I imagining it? A friend came by. She verified it. She also mentioned his chewing. He had his teeth done last year in May during his annual. I'll have the vet check that. Is he having trouble chewing hay?

My two horses live free, together. I took out the divider in three stalls, and opened up the aisle to them. Put up fencing between the barn and the arena that's 14 feet away to connect them. That leads to a woodlot. So they come and go 24/7.

My mare could easily go the IR route (which is why I joined here in 2020 to understand it) so once the grass starts growing I reduce their pasture time significantly. But over the winter I let them stay out 3 or even 5 hours. During the winter they get bored, obviously not enough to eat, so I put hay out. Which they clean up.

But now looking back I'm thinking... As soon as the New Year hits here spring perks up. Even though it doesn't look like there's much of anything to eat in the pasture, perhaps it was too much for him -- they were eating super sugary first growth as fast as it came up. It hasn't been an issue (observable anyway -- maybe there was!) in the past so I was waiting as I normally do for about now when the grass starts growing observably to cut them way back.

I don't know how I made the connection, but something I read put weight loss together with IR. Which led me here. I had thought it was always weight gain. Aha! Here I read people reporting that the their first clue to an IR flare up is a swollen sheath. Double AHA! I cut them back to one hour a day. Went out and got some flax. Switched them from soaked alfalfa pellets (he was scoped several years ago and had ulcers, thus the alfalfa)  to a mix of Timothy and Beet pulp pellets, soaked. That was Monday.

Yesterday, is he walking slowly or is it just me? NO MORE GRASS!!! 

I've separated them in the barn the past two nights. I didn't think to monitor his hay consumption. I assumed he was eating because I see him do so. Today I am paying attention. He walked through his poop last night, so I don't know exactly how many he did, but I'd guess 4 whereas Delight had seven in her area. Makes me think he's not getting enough hay.

So, my question to get us through tonight to the vet visit tomorrow morning is, should I ramp up his beet pulp/ timothy?

Feed:
Bermuda hay free choice, steamed
Was soaked alfalfa now BP/Timothy pellets (to approximate the Canadian pellets recommended here) 1# twice a day
with 2 scoops Cal Trace per day
2T iodized salt per day
Mag oxide 1 t per day

They also have a big white salt block

After diving in here I have now added:
2,000 IU Vitamin E gel caps
1/2 c Triple Crown Flax

And I ordered spirulina and Chondroitin -- so excited to learn about these here!

Should I up the soaked pellets, give him an extra helping... ????

Thanks for any help offered!

Jodie

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Jodie Davis at the Cuckoo Clock Factory on the farm in Hickory Flat, North Georgia 2020


Re: Pre/Pro-biotics

LJ Friedman
 

prebiotics  forco is good.  i have lots of it if needed in vista ca    pick up only
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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Re: Is anyone in the UK using Invokana

LJ Friedman
 

hold harmless.   Your vet can draw up a letter that you sign. What it says is in legal terms that you cannot sue him malpractice etc. for anything connected to Invokana..  you release him of any liability connected to anything related to Invokana.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

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Re: Finding Prascend

Maria Duran
 

Hi Maxine,

I have searched for it and I have found something called Peloquin but nothing that is sold commercially. I haven´t found Bova in Europe but thank you because I didn´t know about it. It must be very expensive I guess.

Thanks a lot for the help :)

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María Durán Navarro 
Dec 2017
Madrid (Spain)

Plutón´s Case History
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Re: Is anyone in the UK using Invokana

LJ Friedman
 

If you search Invokana on this page you’ll see a horse had a health issue where checking triglycerides would have been helpful.  all horses starting invokana should test for triglycerides- before and continue to include triglycerides when you do labs.
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse( over the rainbow) and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Secrets to getting horses to eat their salt?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Sharon,

They can, and some do - but most don't.  They either don't spend enough time licking, or the straight salt irritates small cuts in their mouth or irritates their stomach.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Secrets to getting horses to eat their salt?

Sharon Bice
 

So this brought up another thought I had when I went out to feed this a.m.... can the horses get all their salt from a salt block themselves? I’m guessing not???
Thx again for everyone’s great suggestions. :))
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Sharon Bice
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

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Re: Secrets to getting horses to eat their salt?

Starshine Ranch
 

Hi Sharon,
I had the same problem so I added a bit more of the carrier... 1 heaping cup of Timothy pellets and to that I now give 1 heaping cup of LMF Low NSC (along with their cup of ground flaxseed) and they will now eat 1 Tbsp of salt mixed in.  I am sure going to try the applesauce trick to see if I can add more salt but at least they are getting 1 Tbsp.  Thanks for the applesauce idea, Alisa.
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Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara


Re: Is anyone in the UK using Invokana

jenny.comish@...
 

Thanks for your reply. I know nothing about Invokana and it’s risks as the information has only been sent to my vet. Is testing for triglycerides something you do before using Invokana? Please can you explain by what you mean by a ‘hold harmless agreement’? 
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Jenny Comish
England, UK
Dewi Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jenny%20Dewi
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Re: Is anyone in the UK using Invokana

LJ Friedman
 

remember to test for triglycerides. offer your vet a hold harmless agreement regarding invokana?  
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LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse( over the rainbow) and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Pre/Pro-biotics

Valletta Lochridge
 

My IR horse has neck threadworms and I've started the Ivermectin double-dose protocols as recommended in the Neck Threadworms Group on FB.  I will also be giving Rego aloe vera juice when administering the dewormer.  I would like to add a pre- and pro-biotic supplement as well and I know that colony count is key in those supplements.  I found an undated entry in the files from Dr K on DFM EQ and I know that years ago, Quaadra Fac 2000 was recommended.  What are the current recommendations for these products?  Thank you

Valletta in CA
2012


Strange Behavior & Possible Misdiagnosis

 

My TWH mare was diagnosed with PPID in August 2020 (diagnosed w/TRH stim test) and has been on Prascend since September 2020. I noticed that she had begun to display some strange behavior around the start of 2021. She acts like she has "brain fog," and is just not all there. She is a picky eater, but I swear sometimes she forgets that she has food in front of her. If she stops eating, sometimes all it takes to get her to eat again is to remove her bowl from the stall and simply put it back a few seconds later. It's like she just needs a reminder that the food is there. Sometimes she just stands around and stares out when she is in the pasture. Sometimes she runs into things, or spooks when I am in the stall with her because it seems that she forgot I was there. Her personality has completely changed. Is "brain fog" a symptom of PPID/IR? Or is it a side effect from Pergolide?

I had her ACTH (TRH stim) tested again in January to make sure that PPID was controlled and the results came back within normal limits. She has never been positive for PPID on a baseline ACTH test, only with TRH stim test (all lab results included in CH file). She has had typical symptoms of PPID (included in CH), but I know that these can overlap with symptoms of IR. I had her insulin and glucose tested last year and they were within normal limits, vet was not concerned with IR. However, her G:I ratio using the ECIR calculator indicates that she is uncompensated IR. I am wondering if it is possible that she is IR and misdiagnosed as PPID? Especially considering the fact that she was diagnosed positive from a TRH stim test that was performed just before the start of the seasonal rise. I am now wondering if this could have produced a false positive. 
 
TIA.
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Rachel A.

Cloud (PPID/suspected IR), Zoë, & Jade (rest in love)
September 2020, East Tennessee

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Is anyone in the UK using Invokana

jenny.comish@...
 

Hi all,

if there is anyone in the UK using Invokana please can you let me know? Dr Kellon has sent my vet details about it but he is seems hesitant to pursue using it before knowing who else in the UK is using it.

I’m quite desperate as my IR pony appears no better after 2 weeks on Metformin so Invokana is our last hope I think. 


Thanks

Jenny
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Jenny Comish
England, UK
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Re: Dr Kellon Invokana and Lipemia - urgent

Mule Maid
 

Yipee!!!!

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Ears to Ya!
Vicky for Ida and friends
S. IL.  Feb 2012
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Re: Question about Jiaogulan and Arthritis

Cindy Galloway
 

Wondering about this as well.  Thank you for posting. 
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- Cindy
November 2017, Campton Hills, Illinois

Quattro
Yellow Horse


Re: Jiaogulan-when and why

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

If you are feeding jiaogulan in feed we recommend doubling the dose, then looking for the effect on gums.  It really does speed up hoof growth, as Sherry said, so you would need to reduce the time between trims by at least a week.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
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Re: New blood work for Haven - help interpreting results

Kirsten Rasmussen
 
Edited

Thanks Aunna, I had no idea the difference between these 2 labs was so pronounced!

Lisa, when I referred to "low 20's or less" (uIU/mL) being a good target insulin, it was with reference to the Cornell values.
 
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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
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Re: Broader line anemia

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Regarding iron, here is the latest https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6971364/ . Your mare doesn't have iron deficiency. If she did, her MCV and MCHC would be low on CBC.  Iron deficiency anemia has never been found in a horse over the age of 1Y.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Boarder line anemia in Cushing’s IR horse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Angela,

Nice to hear from you! The anemia is very mild. In some labs, it would be considered normal. Older horses often have lower end red counts because of low activity and low metabolism. The low RDW indicates mostly older/smaller red cells circulating. You don't need to do anything at this time but keep an eye on it.

The low neutrophils may actually be normal for her but can indicate a viral infection. They can also be low if there is a severe bacterial infection somewhere and the cells are leaving the circulation to go there. However, if that was happening you would probably see signs - fever, depression, poor appetite, pain.

Elevated basophils usually indicate allergy or chronic infection. The thrombocytosis (high platelets) is rare but also most likely to be associated with infection/inflammation https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9132480/ . In rare instances, bone marrow disorder may increase these two counts.

The only thing I see on her chemistry is globulin higher than albumin. This can indicate she is fighting an infection. This can also be seen if she is losing protein into her gut or urine, or has peritonitis or an effusion in her chest.

If she seems well and comfortable I would repeat blood work in 2 weeks (or when suggested by your vet) - or if condition changes.

Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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