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Re: Request markups for upcoming hoof trim

Diane Pingrey <dianehorsevol@...>
 

Hi Sherry,

I'm updating Denny's Case History and entering the insulin, glucose and ACTH numbers in the form and updating feed and whatever else I can.  

Just curious, can you tell about how long it takes to form a ski tip?  

Denny was on an irrigated grass pasture (3/4 acre) from 2017-09-10 to 2020-10-09.  Prior to that, she had thin soles and thin hoof walls, and she was ouchy when walking on gravel or small rocks.  The soft grass under her feet probably felt good even though her hooves were no doubt being greatly affected by all of that grass.  She was gimpy while there but the vets attributed it to her right arthritic knee and not to laminitis or founder.  When I moved her onto a dry lot, then the hoof issue really became noticeable.  Hindsight, I suspect that she has probably been having these hoof problems before even being on the grass pasture.
  

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Diane P and Denny in Lincoln, CA 2021

Denny Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Diane%20and%20Denny
Denny Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=263875


Re: Request markups for upcoming hoof trim

Diane Pingrey <dianehorsevol@...>
 

Hi Lorna,

I've tried the Triple Crown Balance cubes a few times, and each time, she won't eat them, but since I have a 50 lb bag, there are lots of "tries" left in that bag!

I have been able to get her to eat the LMF low carb NSC Complete, but still have to blend it with some Standlee Timothy pellets and some Teff pellets.  She is really liking the Phyto Quench and the CocoOmega so maybe I can add a few cubes in her wet feed and blend it in.


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Diane P and Denny in Lincoln, CA 2021

Denny Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Diane%20and%20Denny
Denny Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=263875


Re: Compounded Pergolide instead of Prascend

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jennifer,

As somebody who does a lot of pet sitting that includes medicating dogs, cats and horses if your horse sitter is competent they should be able to manage dissolving the Prascend and administering it via syringe.  If you have a specific technique that you use just let them know what it is and if you think it's needed demonstrate it and then have them practice it while you watch. 

Personally I find Prascend one of the easier medications to deal with and I'd rather give it to a horse via syringe than deal with giving a cat 3 different pills a day :-). 



Re: Grass Question

 

Sorry, Kathy,  but I never tried it. How about asking over at EC Horsekeeping? This topic belongs over there where you should get you lots of suggestions. We all face the challenges of the dry lot.
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Re: Accidental long-term overdose of Manganese #file-notice

 

Hi, Sharon.
I suggest you try to find a cheaper UV protection mask to try out initially. I laid out $170 for a 90% UV filter mask, but my horse refuses to wear it.

Google UV protection horse mask for less expensive options for experimenting.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
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Re: Dutch diet to lower Insulin and Glucose

Rebecca Reddicliffe Bigelow
 

I'm feeding the Low NSC Complete. Not the Senior.
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Rebecca
July 2009, Sacramento, California
Case History, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rebecca%20and%20Dutch%20-%20Snuggles/Dutch  .
Dutch Photos, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=857  .


Re: Falki's Recent Blood Work - Request Feedback

 

Three weeks is the recommended time period, Connie.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

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Re: Compounded Pergolide instead of Prascend

jennigrossi.jg@...
 

Martha,

I was searching for info on compounded pergolide and came across your response here and thought you might be able to help me. I might need to go out of town for over a week this summer and am worried about my ppid horse getting all of his meds and supplements. He lives at home with me. So, having to trust someone else to be conscientious with his meds and diet is new. He currently gets 2 Prascend dissolved in water and I syringe it into his mouth. He's good about it, but it takes some finesse to make sure nothing gets spit back out. I was thinking about getting him compounded Pergolide just for while I'm gone because I've heard it can come in forms that are easier to give. In your response, you said you give a combination of Prascend and Compounded. Do you know if it's safe for me to do this if I'm careful to get the dosing accurate and test the compounded out thoroughly to make sure it will in fact be easy to give before leaving him in someone else's care. My Vet is ok with prescribing compounded.
 Thank you for your help!
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Jennifer Grossi
Charlevoix, Michigan
2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Firestorm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=262822


Re: Grass Question

Kathy Thomas
 

Thanks for replying, Cass.
What do you think about spraying the dead looking grass with McNasty, an anti-cribbing spray with capsaicin?


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Kathy 2017 and Donna

Harrowsmith, Ontario

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Donna


Re: Falki's Recent Blood Work - Request Feedback

Connie Proceviat
 

Hi All,

I've had Falki on compounded pergolide throughout the winter and am in the process of weaning him off now. How long do I have to wait after meds are done to retest blood?
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Connie Proceviat
2013 Manitoba, Canada
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Connie%20and%20Falki/Falki%20Case%20History.doc.pdf


Re: LAVINIA/ MARKUPS

Daisy Shepherd
 

hi lavinia,  photos done again; hopefully these are good for you to do markups.  added to current photo album. please let me know , hope they are good. again thank you for your kindness and patience; must say wish you were my farrier.  daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Accidental long-term overdose of Manganese #file-notice

Sharon Bice
 

Oh thank you, Cass - I will order one this weekend. Hopefully it will help her. I wasn’t sure if it had to do with the manganese or not or if it was just coincidental. Have a great day and thank you, again!!
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Sharon Bice
December 2020    Sandia Park, New Mexico

Taillight's Case History:  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Taillight%20Case%20History

Taillight's Photo Album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=257590


Re: New member lamanic mare

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

If she is in so much pain that the vet is considering euthanasia, I would ask the vet school to please soak her hay and see if she responds in the next week.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Lavinia added picture PICTURES uploaded today

Bobbie Day
 

Lavinia thank you so much for taking a look. I’m sorry they’re not better she isn’t very patient and I’m not good at getting down on the ground. I have managed to pick some of the crap out , but I’m afraid to dig around too much and cannot for the life of any of us get that right leg up. Last time we literally did it while she was laying down. I just don’t know what to do with this mess, as you can see her rubs are still growing out so I hate to put boots back on, we have actually been taping pads. We are going to try a new trimmer next week and if he seems open to the challenge I may let him take over and eventually try glue ones? We still end up taking the grinder to her because we can’t get her on anything to rasp. My husband actually does it on the ground. I know it’s not good for her walls but it’s the only way we can manage her.
thanks for your help
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Bobbie and Desi
NRC Plus March 2020
Utah, Nov 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Shedding

Kelly Kathleen Daughtry
 

Thanks for the encouragement. I so appreciate the group!
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Kelly & Micah, Clayton NC

April 2016

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20%20Micah 

Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1829  .

 

 

          


Re: Shedding

Deb Walker
 

Scotty is on 5mg Pergolide and sheds like crazy...just not EVER enough to lose his winter coat which comes in like a pony's/teddy bear's fur. He was body clipped this past Tuesday, as I have been doing every spring for probably 10 years. The person who clips him says she hardly ever sees any horse with as much hair as Scotty...and that is after more than a month of daily grooming and piles of hair coming off.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Update on Cadet, relapse of foot sensitivity

riggslippert@...
 

Hello,

Cadet's case report has been updated.

After Lavinia expressed concerns about Cadet's trim (https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topic/82163413#264044), he was seen by a new farrier, who seemed very approachable and took back his toes quite a bit.  He also requested a look at Cadet's most recent radiographs.  There was no lameness after the trim.

I had rechecked lab work just before the trim.  The temperature had been above 50 F for most of the 48 hrs before, although it was 47 F at the time of the sample.  His insulin remains elevated (Cornell 87.36 mIU/mL), although it is better than the last time.  Triglycerides 66 mg/dL (RI 10-90).  He had no access to grass and I think his diet is as tight as I can make it.  His weight hasn't changed significantly with the calculator, but he looks much leaner, no crest or supraorbital fat, and I can feel his ribs better.  I have to assume this is the lowest I will be able to get his insulin without increasing his exercise.  I was about to extend his hand walking and maybe consider starting to ride him until...he had access to grass clippings blown into his dry lot by the neighbor mowing his lawn.  This happened after I had left the boarding facility for the day and he probably nibbled on them overnight.  Now his feet are slightly tender, with no increase in pulses.  He is reluctant to walk on gravel, walks normally in his dry lot and on sand, but refuses to trot.  

This appears to illustrate how much of a metabolic tightrope he is walking.  Does this relapse mean his timetable to being ridden is reset to zero (ie 6 plus months)?  

Thank you in advance for any comments or suggestions.

Aunna
October 2018
Oakland County, Michigan, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet
Ruger Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Ruger

Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102




Re: Dutch diet to lower Insulin and Glucose

Sherry Morse
 

Rebecca,

I believe this is the one you're asking about:


That is on the Safe Feeds list.  If you want an analysis that includes iron you'll probably need to send a sample to Equi-Analytical, although you can try to contact the company and see if they have an answer for you. The only two samples we have data on are NSC Stage One, not the complete: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds/LMF%20Horse%20Feeds




Re: Dutch diet to lower Insulin and Glucose

Rebecca Reddicliffe Bigelow
 


No, I'm not confusing them. Only TBCs and Low Carb Complete in his food now By my analysis I'm a little confused about iron. There's none in the TBCs and none added to the Low Carb Complete. I'm sure there's some in the Low Carb but none listed. This throws my ratios off at least the iron, copper, zinc and manganese. Is this a problem?
Rebecca
July 2009, Sacramento, California
Case History, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rebecca%20and%20Dutch%20-%20Snuggles/Dutch  .
Dutch Photos, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=857  .


Re: Dutch diet to lower Insulin and Glucose

 

LMF has several feeds with similar names, but they aren't all safe. Maybe that's what's causing confusion.

The LMF feeds on the Safe Bagged Feeds List  https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/5%20Core%20Diet/2.%20Safe%20Feeds/Safe%20Bagged%20Feeds.pdf are:
LMF Low NSC Stage 1
LMF Low NSC Complete

There is another LMF feed call LMF  Senior Low Carb that is NOT on the safe feeds list.   "LMF Low Carb Complete" is a combination of names that doesn't exist. That may be causing confusion.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
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