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Re: Hay options - how much protein is too much?

Hilary McGregor
 

Thank you for the replies! I'm looking at hay that is NOT locally grown in my area. 


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Hilary and Amika
Prince George, BC, Canada
Joined July 2019
Amika's Case History Folder
Amika's Photos Folder


Re: FAO Lavinia - Dewi updated hoof photos since new farrier trim

Lorna Cane
 

Great pic, Maxine.What IS that pony thinking?? And the dog is wondering whether to sneak away, or stay around.Tehe.

You're trimmer is a keeper. So many never even consider doing this....as you know.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: FAO Lavinia - Dewi updated hoof photos since new farrier trim

Maxine McArthur
 

On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 12:15 AM, Kirsten Rasmussen wrote:
it can be hard to see imbalances unless she was eyeball level with his hoof on the ground, so things like this are easily missed

Kirsten, reading this comment, I have to share a photo I took of my trimmer last week. He did exactly this. We had some good laughs about captioning the photo.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/89768/3234928?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0

 


 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


J Herb/Spirulina -- Necessary to continue APF?

Laura and Pabatsa in CA
 

Hi Group,

I started giving Pabatsa 2 tsp of Spirulina/J Herb 2x's/day because of sneezing/coughing/frequent nose rubbing. Both he and my mare seem to be having allergies this year. My question is this: I have been giving Pabatsa APF Pro at 10 ml/day for numerous years. Should I discontinue giving it since he's now getting the Spirulina and Jherb?
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Laura and Pabatsa in California
Feb 2012
Case History https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20a nd%20Pabatsa ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Laura%20and%20Pabatsa )
Pabatsa's Photos https://ecir.groups.io /g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 ( https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1740 )


Re: Question regarding electrolytes and salt

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Sue,

Regarding kelp, I'm sure you saw the information on the Diet page of the website that advises not feeding iodized salt with kelp (https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php).  I would err on the side of caution with that even though kelp is just one ingredient in the blend.

Why are you giving Shifty electrolytes?  If he was receiving it before due to heavy sweating you may find that once his PPID is under control that's not as much of a problem.  Perfect balance is one of the better electrolytes out there because there's not a lot of filler in it but if you've been using it to get him to drink more you can see the same results with feeding straight salt.





Re: Question regarding electrolytes and salt

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The basic salt requirement is year-long. The seasonal increases are caused by sweating. https://wp.me/p2WBdh-I7
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Question regarding electrolytes and salt

Sue Ring
 

Hey all!

I have a question regarding giving a horse electrolytes while including the recommended salt dose as shown in the "basic diet".  With warm weather here in North Carolina, I am unsure whether to administer Shifty's regular electrolyte supplement in addition to the salt he is receiving.  I feed a non-iodized salt because the herbal blend he gets for his seasonal allergies contains kelp....not sure there is enough iodine in the kelp he is receiving, though, to warrant a dangerous dose of it.  The electrolytes I usually give him in this warm weather is the Perfect Balance Electrolytes by Peak Performance...they contain no sugar.  Should I be giving him the salt AND the electrolytes or one or the other??
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Sue R in NC 2021

CASE HISTORY:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Shifty

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Re: Guidance needed re high triglycerides

Shelley Carr
 


Re: Guidance needed re high triglycerides

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I answered your vet's e-mail.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Guidance needed re high triglycerides

Shelley Carr
 

Thanks Sherry

In response to some of your questions
Yes - off the grass completely since Jan.
The hay has been tested and is under 7% ESC and starch and in the UK the 2 Agrobs products I use are recommended for IR and are both under 10% ESC and Starch.  He has a handful of soaked nuts with a bit a chaff to carry mins and vits etc.
Re trim - happy to have any recommendations.  He is due for a trim and will have the toes back and heels down based on last x-rays.  My vet and trimmer work well together and are both happy with the trim but would listen to any thoughts.
Noted re salt.  

The vet has told me to stop soaking hay and to increase calories because of the high triglycerides, so that is where I need the urgent input please.  I've seen on other posts that Dr K recommends free choice hay plus soaked beet pulp to increase safe calories when on Invokana.

Many thanks





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Shelley C, Wiltshire UK 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shelley%20and%20Widgey


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=264069&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0


Re: shod IR horse and hayballs

celestinefarm
 

Daisy, after 50 plus years of owning horses, including shod ones, one thing I can say for certain. If you look at something and immediately suspect or have concern they will somehow injure themselves on it , follow your instincts.  I would not put a hard plastic ball with holes in it in a turnout with a shod horse. If you want something for him to play with to solve boredom, try one of the blow up soft covered balls. Mine have one and although they are older now and don't play with it anymore, when they were younger, especially when I had yearling colts, loved it. If you are looking at giving him hay, try using either a hay net over a bale in a safe type of feeder ring he can't paw through or building a hay net holder that allows you to hang it high enough he can't paw at it and catch a shoe. 
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Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: shod IR horse and hayballs

Lorna Cane
 

I have 2 of them,Daisy.
My horses are not shod,but I can't imagine that a shod horse could undo the screw-on lid. 
I really don't think a shoe can get caught,either. But in the interest of caution,I would talk to the company , if it were me. And also follow the comments on the company 's website.
My horse and pony mule like them.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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shod IR horse and hayballs

Daisy Shepherd
 

as anyone used the hay balls?  before summer is over, my  ir horse, tiko, will go more to a dry lot turnout.  he is shod and loves to paw at "  things  " has anyone used hay balls ever gotten shoe hung in hay ball  or been able to open the lid where hay is filled??  appreciate input, thanks, daisy and tiko
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Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Guidance needed re high triglycerides

Sherry Morse
 




Guidance needed re high triglycerides

Shelley Carr
 

Hi

I started my pony Widgey on Invokana on 11 May 150mg.
Blood tests pre starting Invokana 
5th May
Insulin 60.8 miu/1  <32
Glucose 7.3 Mmo1/1  2.3-6.8

Triglycerides tested 6th April  1.45 mmo1/1  <0.7

24th May - 2 weeks on Invokana
Insulin 6 miu/1  <32
Glucose 4.6 Mmo1/1  2.3-6.8
Triglycerides 9.26 mmo1/1  <0.7

The lab in the UK, Liphook, advised us to stop Invokana, however my vet and I, reading some of these posts, decided to try halving the Invokana to 75mg and I have increased hay to free choice (although wasn't far off that anyway) and added in unmolassed beet pulp.

Please can you let us know if this is the best course of action and if so, should we retest in a week or two?  Is he in danger with triglycerides that high?   He is clinically very well.  Foot pain disappeared after 3 days on Invokana, and it has had an amazing result on the insulin levels.  He has not lost any weight (and doesn't need to) and is quite hungry - but not ravenous.  

My vet has written to Dr K but not received a response (I'm aware you are very busy).   I don't want to put my pony in danger, or undo the good results.  Please advise.

Apologies that there are two case histories in the file.  I can't seem to delete the first one.

Many thanks


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Shelley C, Wiltshire UK 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shelley%20and%20Widgey


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=264069&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0


Re: FAO Lavinia - Dewi updated hoof photos since new farrier trim

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Jenny, could you send her the photo showing how uneven the left front is?  The previous trim had left the LF lateral wall higher, too, so if both trimmers missed it then it might not be obvious when they are trimming.  The dorsal photo shows it clearly though.  Most trimmers don't take photos after to evaluate their trim, and it can be hard to see imbalances unless she was eyeball level with his hoof on the ground, so things like this are easily missed.

Also, you can ask her to come back in 1-2 weeks and finish evening out the 2 fronts.  She was probably hesitant to take too much off all at once in case it made Dewi sore, but you can request she bring it down more.  If your collateral groove depth measurements are correct, then 2.5cm is about 3/4"-1", which is how deep they should be at the back of the hoof.  So she might not feel comfortable lowering the RF height without recent radiographs to show where the coffin bone is (the hoof has changed so much since the Feb rads and Lavinia's markups that your trimmer might have been worried there was more sinking since then).  If the LF actually is 1.2cm, that's only half what the depth should be so normally you would not lower that hoof below the sole plane.  New rads would probably help determine how much more to lower the hoof.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Are there any photos and x-rays that show a good case - what we should be striving for? #photo

 

Hi Pat,
I wanted to let you know that I appreciated your asking about this.  It seems to me that having photos and radiographs such as you ask about would be helpful to a number of people.  It’s something I’ve wanted to put together but I haven’t had time to work on it, even with offers of help.  It’s a bit of not knowing where to start.  It’s good to know there are other options available.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Are there any photos and x-rays that show a good case - what we should be striving for? #photo

Pat
 

Thank-you. I will take a look.
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Pat
August 2020
Metro Vancouver BC Canada
Case: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Willow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253325


Re: Are there any photos and x-rays that show a good case - what we should be striving for? #photo

Pat
 

Will look, thanks very much.
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Pat
August 2020
Metro Vancouver BC Canada
Case: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Willow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253325


Re: Are there any photos and x-rays that show a good case - what we should be striving for? #photo

Pat
 

Sorry, I meant x-rays.  I have looked a lot online and here and at Willow's. Still trying to put the puzzle together. Will be doing new xrays end of June.
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Pat
August 2020
Metro Vancouver BC Canada
Case: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Willow
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253325

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