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Re: Advice needed: Welsh sec D insulin 278

Maxine McArthur
 

Narelle, can you leave soaked hay for someone else to feed her in the morning or lunchtime? It only needs to be soaked for an hour then drained.  As it is winter now, you could even soak it the night before then leave to drain overnight for feeding in the morning and during the day in the portagrazer. If you can use nets it's easier, as you soak the hay in the nets then hang it up to dry (or feed wet if you are feeding immediately--my horses eat it wet). 
We have found that teff hay when soaked usually works well. I would not use straight lucerne, soaked or dry. 
You can use beet pulp (Hygain Micrbeet or Speedibeet) or soyhull pellets (Maxisoy) to substitute for some of her hay calories and to carry salt, ground linseed, and Vit E capsules. I rinse the beet pulp shreds before and after soaking, but the maxisoy only needs to be moistened. I often mix beet pulp and soyhull pellets, it seems to give a better texture. 

You say she's worse after rain--is there any chance there are teeny tiny miniscule green shoots coming up somewhere she can reach them? For a sensitive horse, this can be enough to make them sore.
You can also post hoof photos and xrays in a photo album for our hoof guru to look at. Check the Wiki for instructions.

--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Desi earned her wings

Nancy C
 

Fly free Duke.  You were a king.

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Desi earned her wings

 

Bobbie, I am so sorry. I went through Desi's album to find this sweet picture of your girl that I remembered. https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/78821/1086111?p=pcreated,,,50,2,100,0 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Desi earned her wings

Sherry Morse
 

OH Bobbie, we all knew this day was coming but it never makes it any easier.  I give you a lot of credit for being able to write as much as you did so soon after her passing.  It took me weeks to be able to say anything about losing Scarlet.  The hole in your heart will get less painful eventually but know that you did your best for Desi and that includes letting her go.




Re: At my wits end with Riosa - Dr. Kellon please help, advice needed

hdavis
 

Thanks Deb for the kind words of encouragement.  I am happy yes that she is doing so well and should apologize for being frustrated, as so many are struggling worse than us.  I am a bit more relieved if this is not a lamintis attack as what was driving me nuts was the fact that I couldn’t find the trigger.  Hoping it’s not an attack and with that in mind going to investigate other options I guess. Things like PSSM2 (guess runs in Iberian horses, Lyme and vit e def (also can be an issue in iberians).

I was wondering, is there any concern with feeding soy hulls and the amount of soybean meal I  feeding and should I look at replacing those or finding an alternative protein supplement?


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Deb Walker <Goldilocks1210@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 4:43:50 PM
To: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [ECIR] At my wits end with Riosa - Dr. Kellon please help, advice needed
 
Hi Heather. As you well know, I am NO expert what-so-ever. But after reading what you described and watching the videos, I would be extremely happy. I hope this group or your care providers will be able to figure out any residual pain you are seeing, but in my oh so very humble opinion...she is looking wonderful. If she is still eating and drinking and moving that well, she has not given up.

I would be embarrassed to post any of Scotty's videos from the months and months of recovery he endured. It was absolutely heartbreaking, and yes, I questioned myself everyday if I was doing the right thing to keep him alive. But he never gave completely up, so I couldn't either. But that's just me. Everyone has to make that decision.

Anyway, just wanted to offer some encouragement as no one who saw him *then* can believe it's the same horse *now.*
--
Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619

--
Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Desi earned her wings

hdavis
 

So sorry to hear about Desi. Hope you feel better thinking of ur beautiful girl running and playing in horsey heaven and not feeling any pain. Big huge hugs to u and ur family.  
--
Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Desi earned her wings

Donna Coughlin
 

Thank you Bonnie! He was certainly a legend here at home and for everyone who interacted with him. A larger-than-life character. And it's thanks to this group for the science-based, forward-thinking advice that he lived such a long and healthy life. The evening of his death he snuck in Robin's stall when I had my back turned, and was happily sharing his hay (he'd never done that before, and he had his own fresh pile of hay). That spunk also kept him going. 

You were part of the ECIR group when I joined in 2009, and your support and that of so many members means so much. 

--
Donna Coughlin, Robin Goodfellow and Ariel Max; Duke (5/21) and Obi (5/17) over the Rainbow Bridge

CT 2009

 

 


Re: Desi earned her wings

Jennifer Murphy
 

I'm so sorry for your loss.  Desi was lucky to have you as a caretaker, and I'm sure she knew that.
--
Jennifer in NH
2020

CH - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Flea

Photo album - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251041&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: At my wits end with Riosa - Dr. Kellon please help, advice needed

Deb Walker
 

Hi Heather. As you well know, I am NO expert what-so-ever. But after reading what you described and watching the videos, I would be extremely happy. I hope this group or your care providers will be able to figure out any residual pain you are seeing, but in my oh so very humble opinion...she is looking wonderful. If she is still eating and drinking and moving that well, she has not given up.

I would be embarrassed to post any of Scotty's videos from the months and months of recovery he endured. It was absolutely heartbreaking, and yes, I questioned myself everyday if I was doing the right thing to keep him alive. But he never gave completely up, so I couldn't either. But that's just me. Everyone has to make that decision.

Anyway, just wanted to offer some encouragement as no one who saw him *then* can believe it's the same horse *now.*
--
Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: At my wits end with Riosa - Dr. Kellon please help, advice needed

hdavis
 

Nope hasn’t been vaccinated this year or last year :(. Stresses me out as well as would like to vax her at least for WNV.


From: main@ECIR.groups.io <main@ECIR.groups.io> on behalf of Judy and Bugsy <judy.parley@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 1:10:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [ECIR] At my wits end with Riosa - Dr. Kellon please help, advice needed
 
Also wondering if vaccinations happened any time in the recent past?
--

 

Judy and Bugsy

Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

Feb. 25, 2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Judy%20and%20Bugsy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=243358

 




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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: Desi earned her wings

Kelly Kathleen Daughtry
 

What an incredible loss and incredible love. My heart breaks for you.  What a special bond you and she shared.  
--
Kelly & Micah, Clayton NC

April 2016

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kelly%20and%20%20Micah 

Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=264981

 

          


Re: Desi earned her wings

Maxine McArthur
 

Bobbie, no words can ease your pain at the moment, but perhaps it can help to know that we share your grief. Thanks you for dedicating those very eloquent words to your special little lady. 

--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Desi earned her wings

Joy V
 

Oh Bobbie, I'm crying with you.  I'm so very sorry.  You were the best horse mom for Desi that she could have possibly had.  Thank you so much for loving her so well.  Again, I'm so, so sorry.  Sending you hugs.


--
Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Joy%20and%20Willie
Willie's photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=242526


Re: Desi earned her wings

Bonnie
 

Thank you for sharing this, Donna. Duke was a legend. Who could ever  forget Duke's wedding photo? His longevity owes a lot to your excellent care.
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Desi earned her wings

Frances C.
 

I am so sorry. Both you and Desi are blest. Perhaps as parting gift from your beloved mare you can gather up all her things and donate to the nearest rescue facility. My little horse too could barely reach up her head to get that piece of apple. Then she would lay her head back down and contentedly chew on the treat. That is the image that is stuck in my brain - and it is a good image after so many years. Never doubt that you did the right thing.
--
- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Desi earned her wings

Sandy
 

So very very sorry for your loss.  Heart hugs.

Sandy in PA with Tiffany and Blue




--
Sandy Kemp
Northeast Pennsylvania
Crystal Blue PPID/IR
Tiffany PPID
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Tiffany
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sandy%20and%20Crystal%20Blue


Re: Desi earned her wings

Bonnie
 

So very well said, Bobbie. You were a blessing to each other.
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Desi earned her wings

Patti SoCal 2020
 

Oh, Bobbie, my heart grieves with you! You are a very eloquent “non-eloquent “ writer; I am a blubbering mess! But I feel like I knew Desi from all you have written. You are in my prayers as you begin to live with Desi’s loss.
--
Patti
SoCal 2020                                                 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patti%20and%20Sunny 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/album?id=262934  


Re: Desi earned her wings

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Bobbie, I am balling my eyes out for you. I am so incredibly sorry. You did your absolute best for her!!!!  Thank you for loving her so much, that when the time came you did the hardest thing by helping her on to.her next journey.  She will be with you always. I am here for you of you need anything. Blessings to you and your family during this really difficult time. Xoxo
--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Desi earned her wings

billie hinton
 

Oh my gosh, Bobbie, what you wrote about and for Desi is absolutely beautiful and so heartfelt. I’m so sorry for your loss. It sounds in some ways like when Salina left us, and I know it had to be devastatingly difficult but it sounds like you made the hard decision when you needed to and she let you know it was time. What a gift to her that you were able to be right there, giving her favorite things, and shepherding her on.

One thing I want to say to you, as someone who provided nearly two years of around the clock micromanagement to a goddess mare who also suffered with severe arthritis: right now it probably feels overwhelming because your days and nights have been filled with Desi’s care, and now that those caretaking tasks are done, every time you feel the automatic timer in your head and heart you’ll miss her again. At some point you’ll start to re-calibrate, and I think it’s a good thing to take note of just how much of your time has been spent caring for her. It becomes second nature to do all the things you’ve done without even realizing the time it takes, and I think you owe it to yourself to note how much you did for her, and give yourself permission to relish the new time you have and the freedom, and yes, at some point the sense of relief that the worry and stress are over.

Her memory and her spirit will still be there and at some point when the grieving ebbs a bit you might start to feel the memories in a new and comforting way. Salina is buried at the A end of our dressage arena and I walk past her grave on a daily basis, as the path between it and the arena takes me to our grandfather manure/compost pile as well as our apiary. I am not exaggerating when I say that Salina’s presence is palpable. She comforts me and cheers me up when I pass and think of her. I still talk to her. It has been 8 years now. I don’t cry anymore when I think of her but I do feel her strength and her partnership. I am betting Desi will do the same for you when the time is right.

Take good care.
Billie in NC

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