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Re: KSU iron panel

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

OK, thanks, Kathy.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Case History

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Deborah,

I just checked and you're definitely a member of the CH subgroup so let's start with the obvious - if you click on your current CH link (https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara) does that open the webpage with your hay analysis folder and current CH form?

  • IF yes, you should be able to click on the "+New/Upload" button which will then show a drop down where you can pick "Upload File".
  • That will open an upload window where you will be able to navigate to wherever you have the NEW saved file on your device. 
  • Follow the directions to upload the new file
  • Once the new file is uploaded please delete the old form out of the folder to save on storage space.

If you get stuck please let me know exactly where you're stuck so we can sort out what's going on.  The most obvious spot would be if you're not signed into Groups.io but once you sign in you should be able to get to your folder.




Re: Blood work and discouraged Insulin remains high

Cheryl Oickle
 

Thanks for the feedback Dr. Kellon. She actually had 4 days off before bloodwork was drawn. Would that affect the numbers if she is that brittle? Generally speaking she never gets this much time off.
Yes she gets almost that much work all winter barring torrential rain on the wet coast.
Cheryl and Jewel

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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Case History

Deborah Ide
 

I have Tara's case history updated and ready to post but I can't seem to access the CH files. Help!
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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Re: Apple as Pergolide carrier

 


I have been using beet-e-bites equi pockets for dosing my pergolide (https://beetebites.com/theshop/).  They are under our 10% rule on sugar + starch.  I have had no problem getting my mare to take her meds.

Jean and Amber (over the bridge)

Nikki and buster

South Carolina

August 2004

NRCPlus 0412; CIR 0813, 1211; NAT 0612

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Gloria%20and%20Amber


Re: Blood work and discouraged Insulin remains high

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Exercise is highly protective although insulin usually goes lower than that. When had she been worked last before the blood was taken? Can you keep up the exercise all winter? As for InsulinWise, our members have not found it useful and the research wasn't very exciting either https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/249832?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,insulinwise+%2B+eleanor,20,2,0,29018987 . If you do try it, make sure you understand the details of the money back guarantee and don't wait longer than one container-worth of doses to recheck.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Frog supports

Trisha DePietro
 

HI Daune, if you follow Sherry's step by step instructions it will work...she did that for me too when I first started....just follow the steps and you should be successful! Hang in there for Monty's sake.....
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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: Hoof x-rays and photos - Lavinia, help please?

Rita Chavez
 

Renamed them for easier sorting. Thank you, Kirsten!

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Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Re: Arabian Mare with Laminitis

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Many people have had problems with Safe Starch as a complete feed, possibly because of the added fat and/or variations in ingredients because not every lot is tested. See the disclaimers at the bottom of their NSC page. A safer option is Triple Crown Naturals Timothy Balance Cubes. If you have trouble sourcing them, call Triple Crown. If that doesn't work, call Aurelio at Ontario Dehy.

There's nothing special about the Topline Balance for metabolic horses. It's a 30% protein ration balancer which is doubling up on minerals with the Safe Starch or Balance Cubes. There are also multiple ingredients which are not safe: soybean meal and rice bran as the first ingredients, wheat red dog, molasses. It also has added iron and uses calcium phosphate salts which are heavily contaminated with iron. Safe Starch also has added iron
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Frog supports

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Daune,

When you say crumbly feet, I think 2 things: diet needs to be evaluated and balanced minerals need to be added, and boots with pads would be better than shoes.  Being "ouchie" can have a lot of causes, and like Trisha said, we need more information ito help you figure out why he's sore.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Blood work and discouraged Insulin remains high

Cheryl Oickle
 

Hi Everyone

Had Jewels yearly blood work done and her ACTH and glucose are in the LOW range of normal. Her insulin is double the high normal at 98,0 uIU perL with normal at 10-40  I will update case history in the next day or so. Actually nothing has changed and she remains tightly controlled on dry lot ECIR diet and 3 mg compounded pergolide daily.  I continue to exercise her to 100 miles a MONTH and her body score is a 5. No clinical evidence of any sort.
The vet is now considering Insulin Wise as an augment.
Any thoughts.  I am at wits end as she has never looked better or managed as tightly.
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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Saraphina IR

Cindy Q
 
Edited

Hi Cyndi

It seems like Philip Himanka a certified practitioner from Progressive Hoof Care Practitioners would be in your area so I would suggest you contact him for help on your pony. He is a mentor in the PHCP program as well so he would be very experienced with laminitis cases. His details are here: https://progressivehoofcare.org/directory/entry/603/ .

I don't know him myself but I have heard good things about him from other PHCP mentors/practitioners.

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Cindy and Glow (over the rainbow bridge) - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response





Re: Frog supports

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Daune,

A bit of housekeeping for you:

1 - can you please convert your CH form to a PDF so those of us without an Apple product can read it?  To do that you can use an online converter like CloudConvert: https://cloudconvert.com/pages-to-pdf

2 - once you've converted the file to a PDF please upload that to your case history folder and let us know it's there so we can read it.

3 - please update your signature to include the link to your Case History folder: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daune%20and%20Monty and your photo album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=261924.  To do that:

1) Go to this link to amend your auto-signature: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/editsub

2) Look at the bottom of that page for the window with your name and other info. 

3) Put your cursor on the line below 2021 and paste the link to your case history folder on that line.  Then hit enter on your keyboard to go to the next line and paste the link for your photo album.

NOTE: Make sure you make the links "live". You may need to add a space after your links or hit enter on your keyboard to turn them blue.

4) IMPORTANT: Scroll to the bottom and hit SAVE!


As far as your question - has there been any change to the trim since the rads in your album were taken?  If Monty's toes are still long and he still has no sole frog supports are just another bandaid and may not be the right answer as too much pressure on his frog will just cause more pain.  Regardless of that, frog supports will not stop rotation - what stops that is removing the cause of the problem.  To go back to the beginning:

Diagnosis - you have that, but what are the actual current numbers?
Diet - what is Monty currently eating?  Has he lost any weight? 
Exercise - is Monty being exercised at all at this time?
Trim - has this been addressed?  If not, this is where you want to be concentrating along with diet.  Bringing Monty's toes back to a proper alignment, encouraging his soles to grow and being mindful of his arthritic changes will do him more good than keeping him in shoes on a trim that's not correct.



Re: Hoof x-rays and photos - Lavinia, help please?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Rita,

It will help if you could rename your hoof photos with the date first, for example:  2021-07-19_RF-Sole.jpg
As they start accumulating, we will need to be able to sort them by date.  Just tap on each photo to open it, then tap the "Edit" button, type in the modified name, then hit "Update".

The toes can get ahead of us really fast!  Once they are back where they should be, I recommend rasping them every 2 weeks to keep them there!

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Frog supports

Trisha DePietro
 

Hi Daune. Where is your case history information? Really need to see his "big picture" to answer such a detailed question. It would be helpful to see a photograph of his "frog support" too because there are so many different kinds of "support" out there in the world..... Also, xrays would be good to see the rotation too. Pictures are a thousand words....:) 


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Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: Having difficulty controlling IR in pony

Kirsten Rasmussen
 
Edited

Hi Julia, 

You've provided a lot of helpful information about your pony, but it would be even better if we could see it all in a Case History. 

Sherry has made good dietary recommendations that will be very effective in lowering insulin and preventing future laminitis.  Metformin is available in Canada.  Most people grind up all those tablets with a coffee grinder then mix it in feed, or suspend it in water to make a runny paste and syringe it in.  If syringing you need to follow with a mouth rinse because it can irritate the tissues and cause ulcers in the mouth.  However, the effect of Metformin decreases with time so it is best saved for a laminitis emergency, and instead rely on lifestyle measures to manage Ginny long-term.  Tbat means dietary changes, but exercise, too, is critical.   If Ginny's feet have grown out the last of the damaged hoof capsule AND he is sound, then an exercise program building up to at least 20-30 min brisk trotting every 1-2 days should be instituted.

It will certainly be interesting to know what his bloodwork is like on his current diet, including the 2 hours of pasture, but keep in mind that sugars in pasture vary widely by day, depending on weather and temperatures, and that one day's bloodwork will not be representative.

With a pony that young having multiple laminitis episodes the strictest dietary precautions will need to be taken now to keep him sound and healthy for many years to come.  Repeated laminitis can cause permanent damage to the coffin bones and that can lead to chronic pain, so it needs to be stopped by whatever means necessary.  Once dietary measures are in place to control EMS, you can investigate the possibility of PPID.  There are some signs of it and Ginny could very well be an early case.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: KSU iron panel

K Hanneson
 

Hi Lavinia,
No, the last trim was July 6 and the hoof and body shots were all taken after that.
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Kathy H in ON 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Magni

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266135


Re: Fergus Case File Added

 

Hi Jennifer,
I put a handful of dry timothy balance cubes in cube dispensing balls and leave one with each horse that might benefit from a longer mealtime.  I don’t know how long those last into the night but occasionally there are a few bits left in the morning.  Just keep in mind that the weight of those cubes needs to be added in to the horse’s consumption tally and 3# of cubes is the nutritional equivalent of 4# of hay.  There are less expensive balls than the one that I linked to but I expect that might be reflected in their sturdiness.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Hoof x-rays and photos - Lavinia, help please?

Rita Chavez
 

Lavinia, thank you thank you! Yes, I'll keep touching up on those toes every three days or so. A good plan for now until you can let me know what else I can/should do.

I agree the rads are not great. My vet had a new technician riding shot-gun and her inexperience shows. 

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Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Re: Fergus Case File Added

Jennifer Green
 

It gets soaked in the morning and then the lunch hay dries for a couple of hours and the evening hay dries until it gets fed later on.  Maybe he's just lazy ha ha.  Here's an idea;  maybe I could put one flake in a slow feed and one in a regular net so he's more laid back about the 2nd flake since he's already eaten one. 

I also had a thought this morning that what I do for breakfast doesn't have to be what I do for dinner.  So he could still eat the teff grass pellets in the morning for ease of feeding and I could try the soaked timothy hay cubes in the afternoon.  Sometimes I  think I get in the pattern of thinking that I must do the same thing for both meals, but it's not really the case.  I think I'll try go get some of the TC timothy cubes and see what he thinks.
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J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
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