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Re: Saraphina IR

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Hi Sherry,
I was looking for information on were to get California trace minerals, and what probiotic product I should get.
sorry about my confusion 
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Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Clover-Levels back to normal but requesting overall diet advice

Jess R
 

Hi all,

Clover’s levels are back to normal and he is slowly increasing an appetite. He had lost 88lbs but he is starting to enjoy Triple Crown Timothy cubes more and his hay so that seems to increase little by little which. I had moved barns due to his asthma so I’m starting over in some areas. (No hay analysis yet) My new barn manager and I had spoken about a hay analysis and she told me they conducted one over a year ago and has other ponies/horses with cushings doing well now after managing their diet etc. 

Does anyone have any recommendations on other food options? He’s picky so he has turned his nose up at beat pulp already. I bought Triple Crown Safe starch because I thought I read it on the safe list as it as it was listed under TC cubes.

I’m worried he will be fussy about powders/grounded feed. I had hoped to try TC ground flax or something similar. Perhaps mixing into the cubes? I’ve ordered a California trace plus sample to see if he will tolerate it. 

He was also eating 2lbs pro elite performance which I know isn’t approved however when he was not eating as much, the barn manager really wanted to offer him something. Now trying to wean off and switch. He needs gastric support too.

Is there anything else I could try to include in his diet that would help his overall health? 
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Jess in New Jersey 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=263154


Re: Case History

Deborah Ide
 

Thank you for letting me know!I have no idea how the gmail account became associated with the CH as I actually almost never use that account. I amazed that it happened, in fact.



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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


Re: Purina Integrity SuperFibra

 

Hi Mary Ann,
If needles are the issue, I would just increase her Prascend without testing.  Aside from the numbers, hard to manage pastern dermatitis was always a sign my horse needed his pergolide increased. Her eyes might do better as well.  I don’t think it’s fair to stress her out unnecessarily.  I had a mare who was very needle averse.  Then we realized that if you floated her teeth first, she was relaxed enough for anything.
Alfalfa is not always a problem.  If you’ve been feeding it to her and she’s comfortable, it probably doesn’t bother her.  
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Wellness Ready

jmc
 

Thanks. I came here specifically to ask, as there's a full page ad in the back of the (probably couple month old) horse magazine I just finished.

To me this sounds like an awesome idea, but I'll wait to see if it pans out as good science.


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Jodi
June 2018
NW Wyoming

Yankee Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jodi%20and%20Yankee

Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=54386


Re: Too Thin and Weepy Eyes

Sue Ring
 

Hey Stacey,

Have you had Terry checked for uveitis??  Weepy eyes can also be a sign of a flare up of the uveitis inflammation and the condition is made worse in some horses due to the auto-immune connection, sometimes.  I have a horse who is PPID and also has uveitis.  Conditions such as uveitis are not caused by the PPID but having Cushing's can make the uveitis flare ups more difficult to control.  You are fighting a two-pronged problem....one not causing the other but inter-related at times because of a possibly compromised immune system.  Ask your vet about the possibility.......

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Sue R in NC 2021

CASE HISTORY:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Shifty

PHOTO FILES: 


 


Re: Too Thin and Weepy Eyes

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Stacey,

The lack of topline and the weepy eyes are both indications that Terry's ACTH is not well controlled.  At 18 he could be early PPID and a TRH stim test could help you get a better idea of his status. Should you decide to do this it needs to be soon as there's no adjusted range for a TRH test performed during the seasonal rise.




Re: Magnesium

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jennifer,

You can feed MgOx from a feed mill for a cheap option or the human version for a slightly more expensive version.  You can read about this on the website: https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php.  Magrestore would be one of the most expensive options out there so I would pass on that.



Re: Purina Integrity SuperFibra

Mary Ann
 

Sherry & Kristen,
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. My vet's clinic is the only clinic in my area with large animal vets. I would have to trailer her to the other side of my province to find another large animal vet and that is not an option for me at this time, so a second opinion is not likely to happen. She is VERY difficult to administer needles. She needs to be sedated. I've had all five of the horse vets at my clinic try to do it with only a twitch and she becomes uncontrollable to the point it is not safe for handler, vet or horse. We're getting too late into the summer to get a reliable reading now to see if increase in Prascend has brought her ACTH down. She is getting the small amount of alfalfa to help with stomach irritation from her 4mg every 3 days of Flunixin to control her eye pain and inflammation from her uveitis so I will not be discontinuing that. She gets only 1 cup per day. What is the issue with alfalfa that I should not feed it to her? She was on Omeprazole last year while receiving all her NSAIDS for her prolonged uveitis episode. I am discontinuing the Integri-T. I now have a new batch of hay that I need to test and I have not started to feed that, but the hay she is being fed now is last year's crop and well within the low WSC/NSC limits for a PPID horse. Her xrays look clean. I'm not sure if the negative plantar angle on her RH from last year is what you're referring to as laminitis, but that has since corrected with corrective trimming over the last year. I don't see any signs of laminitis in the other feet, unless I'm missing something and would gladly welcome a more experienced member point out to me what they see in her xrays in the other feet that indicate a previous laminitic episode. She is developing a lax suspensory in that RH and both my vet and farrier think that is the link to her developing the negative P angle in that foot and both believe it is related to her advanced age and the PPID. As for pancreatic breakdown and diabetes, what are my options for treatment? What should I be looking at on her blood panel to indicate these issues? 
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Mary Ann & Rosie - Nova Scotia, Canada - Joined August 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252134
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20Ann%20and%20Rosie


Re: Case History

Maxine McArthur
 

Deborah, I clicked on your link and it too me to the folder here: 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara

It might be easier if you can keep the same email address for both groups, as Martha mentioned. To do this, you may need to rejoin one of the groups, using the same address as you used for the other group.
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Saraphina IR

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Cyndi,

Information on hay testing is on the diet section of the website: https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php




Re: Magnesium

Denise Oliveri <Rockcd24@...>
 


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Denise Oliveri
Tiny Town Miniature Horses
Higganum CT


Re: Case History

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Deborah,

You may have missed this email from Martha: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/266763

In a nutshell you are not registered on the CH group using your Yahoo email which is why you can't access anything. You need to log into the group using your gmail address and then you will be able to access your file.




Re: Saraphina IR

CYNDI CARLSON
 


-- Hi, thank you for getting my rads in order Lavinia.will do with the rads tomorrow 
I had a conversation with Phillip Himanka PHCP.He is coming to my place Saturday and will be looking at the rads tomorrow .
per our conversation he told me Saraphina needs probiotics, her manure is dark and semi hard.He suggested I ask the group about California Trace minerals.
Im assuming I need to get the Timothy hay compressed bales I buy from Standlee tested since they do not test for mineral values in their hay.Any leads/ links to buy these?
Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Case History

Deborah Ide
 

 Clicking on my case history link under my signature brings me to the case history main page that states:

"This is the location for uploading case histories and photos of horses with, or are likely to have PPID/EMS, " but there is no button to click to go to case histories that I can see and I do not go to my horse's CH.

 



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Deborah
November 2012
Middle Tennessee
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Tara


When to retest insulin?

Sharon Stokesbary
 

How much time is needed on soaked hay before retesting insulin? My vet thought 6 to 8 weeks. Is waiting that long going to make a difference? Rose's insulin was >200 on her initial screening on 9% sugar/starch and no pasture. 

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Sharon S (2009)
Corvallis MT
Rose Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sharon%20and%20Rose
Rose Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266006&p=Created,,,20,2,0,0


Re: Saraphina IR

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

Hi Cyndi,

I corrected the dates and views on the rads in Saraphina's album. I also added the most recent rad of the RF.

When the vet provides copies of the rads from tomorrow, please ask if they can provide ones without any mark-ups on them. That way, it makes it easier to show what the trim needs to do without trying to work around a lot of text, lines and numbers that are already on the images. It would be helpful if the coronary bands could be marked, along with the tip of the frog. Have read here for more of an explanation:

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1571

Hang in there, although the trim needs a lot of work, it is fixable.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Blood work and discouraged Insulin remains high

Cheryl Oickle
 

Thanks again Dr. Kellon. I am actually going to pay the price and have her insulin redrawn at the end of the month.  .....stay tuned.
Cheryl

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Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Case History

 

Deborah,
The messages you’re sending in this thread are being sent from the account which is different from the case history one.  I think this needs to get straightened out before it gets more complicated but I’m not sure the best way to do it.  It may depend on how many posts you’ve made from each account.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Apple as Pergolide carrier

Stacey Smith-Bohn
 

Since I use Prascend, I don't know how large the pergolide is, but when my old mare stopped taking the Prascend out of my hand I started sticking it in a large strawberry.  It worked like a charm for her.  I believe that in general berries are better choice for diabetic people than many other fruits so I assumed that it may be better for an IR horse than an apple???  The nice thing about strawberries is that it holds the pill inside very nicely and if she ate the berry I was confident she also ate her pills.
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Stacey Smith-Bohn, New Jersey, 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Stacey%20and%20Terry
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=261301

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