Thank you all. I thought from other posts that this time would be more indicative to test a horse which is perhaps in the very early stages of cushings “and perhaps do a stim. Test”. I was under the impression that during the Winter that early PPID was easier to miss and now lends more sensitivity to testing. I don’t think he has it, and I sure hope not, but I don’t want to avoid knowing. The study Dr Kellon referred us to does show declined favorability during this seasonal period for the Stim test but the bottom line was the TSH test worked in each month. I shared the study with my vet and will maybe just do the ACTH. Shakespeare is 15.
I will begin a photo album on our site which is more organized and precise than the google congloberation…!

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Carolyn Marshall

May 2018, Seneca, SC

Shakespeare's Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Carolyn%20and%20Shakespeare

Shakespeare's web photo album: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPKk4GaTqBSH47rEXLeQaT7yZkDQAYjEsauFgG8GdN9fDsOub0CU1pmT3nl0XOokQ?key=VktWU2xPdEpfRDVnZm92Q0NVWGQ0cHFEUlNjaDRR.

Good morning,

Many thanks for your mail. My daughter 4th year veterinary student will be attending. I have spoken to my vets and farrier, all of whom are interested, they are just worried that their English isn't good enough to follow. Will their be a script of what each speaker says on the bottom of the screen for the non English-speaking attendees, which would help somewhat? (We are not acquainted with Zoom perhaps it's automatic?)
Many thanks,

Deborah.

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Envoyé: Mardi 27 Juillet 2021 18:49:15
Objet: [Special] [ECIR] ECIR Group 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference -- Early Bird Expiring soon!

Early Bird pricing expires next Saturday, 07.31.21, midnight EDT.

Genetics and Exercise — two exciting topics that have come up recently in conversation here, almost every day. Based on comments when registering, understanding the impact of each on EMS has attendees excited to learn more. Each of these two featured speakers have dedicated their focus to these two topics. Have a look:

Shannon Pratt Phillips, MS, PhD, PAS — On Exercise

* The Effect of Exercise on Glucose Metabolism and Insulin Sensitivity in the Horse . This presentation will focus on the basic science of glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity, and how exercise — both acute (e.g., a one-time exercise bout) and chronic exercise (e.g., exercise conditioning) — affects it. It will summarize relevant research in this field, and will provide up-to-date information for horse owners and veterinarians about the importance of exercise for their horses.
* Strategies for Using Exercise as Part of Dietary Management for Overweight and/or Insulin Resistant Horses . This presentation will be a more practical guide for increasing exercise in our horses and how the combination of dietary restriction and exercise can have an impact on weight-loss efforts and glucose metabolism.

Elaine Norton, DVM, MS, PhD, DACVIM-LA — On Genetics

* The Genetics of EMS. We have suspected for over a decade that genetics contributes to Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS). However, we are just now discovering the full impact of genetics on this syndrome. This talk will focus on the heritability of EMS, as well as identified regions of the genome impacting this disease.
* The Impact of Genetics on Height and Insulin Dysregulation in Welsh Ponies. Ponies have unique metabolic profiles and are at the highest risk of developing Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS). However, we have yet to determine why ponies have such a unique metabolic profile. This talk will focus on a recently identified genetic variant affecting both height and insulin dysregulation in a population of Welsh ponies.
Just 17 days until the NO Laminitis! Conference opens. Just 16 days until the Conference Orientation hour from your hosts, Cindy and Sherry, on Thursday night.

Full schedule here: https://www.nolaminitis.org/conference-schedule.php

When: The weekend of August 13 - 15, 2021.

Where: ECIR Virtual Conference Room at the location of your choice.

Registration: https://www.nolaminitis.org/registration.php

Thanks to all who have registered already! It is a joy to see your response.

As always, many thanks to our generous Benefactors who strongly support the needs of the ECIR Group members.

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On behalf of your hosts,
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and
the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference Committee.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room




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-Deborah and Baladin.

August 2016,
Drôme, France
Baladin Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deborah%20and%20Baladin%20-%20Veloutine%20-%20Eglantine/Baladin
Baladin's Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=70560

Thanks, maybe it works now...or maybe I have done something wrong :D
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Jonna Ahlberg in Sweden, 2018

CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Files
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64989

Hello,
It has been a while since I have updated or needed some support. Unfortunately, Frodo is in the midst of a laminitis flare-up and has been terribly lame for four weeks. The laminitic episode started after we began a new supplement. It may be coincidental, but I wanted to note it (supplement was immediately removed from his diet).

I have updated his case history and noted various changes since the last update, particularly in the comments. The most recent hay analysis documents are also uploaded.

The vet was also out recently, and we checked for Lyme disease and a KSU Iron Panel. I also wish we would have done a ACTH and Insulin to see how they compare to 2019. Radiographs of his front feet were taken. I will update hoof and body pictures in the next day or so.

I would love support with the following:

1. KSU Iron Panel interpretation - noted in my case history, but I will upload actual document as well - my vet only looked at the individual tests, but in reading about Dr. Kellon's work on iron overload, it seems there is more to it. 
2. X-ray mark-ups
3. Other ideas welcomed!

As a side note, we have lost two of our horses (Thunder and Soozee) in the past year or so to non-hoof/IR/PPID causes. Do I need to update their files to note that?

Many thanks!
Becky

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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Thunder (2000-2021)
Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee (1999-2020)
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Hay Analysis: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Frodo%20-Thunder%20-%20Soozee/Hay%20Analysis/2021_7_20_%20Crowe_Hay%20Analysis.pdf

I just registered.  Looking forward to the conference.  Jackie and Tori


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Jackie Decker and Tori
June 2016
White City, Oregon

Hi Rachel,

Good job on getting the posting part figured out.

I'll get you something tomorrow so you have it to share with the trimmer on Sat.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR

Hi all - I am a member since 2016, but this is my first post, about my horse Ty's hooves - as we just changed trimmers - I originally posted on the ECIRHoof page - but Lavinia asked that I respond to her on the ECIR main page.  So here is my response.

Thanks,

Rachel

Hi Lavinia - thanks so much for your reply, sorry I am still trying to navigate posting messages.  Now that I think I have figured out how to post via the web, I think I will do so.  Yes, Ty has been IR probably for a long while, but we first figured it out in 2016 shortly before I found this site and started taking Dr. Kellon's classes.  We manage him mostly on symptoms - fat deposits over eyes, at tail head and sheath.  During ACTH rise he can get footsore, he also gets lethargic and rubs his head a lot (not sure if that is a PPID symptom) but so far overt laminitis has not been our experience (thank goodness) and hopefully, that trend will hold.  We are very strict with his diet, but during fall the last couple of years we are soaking even low sugar hay (6% ESC less than 1% starch) just to try to keep him as close to normal as possible. - so seems like something more is going on.  I know that cortisol rhythm testing is not a valid PPID test - unfortunately, we have very limited access to veterinary care up here - and our vet is reluctant to do the Cornell test - but I will keep working on him.  Otherwise, we would have to drive at least an hour, which I think would throw off the results anyway.

Ty just turned 26 in May.

If you can do some markups I would appreciate it - his hooves are hard as granite and I think the new trimmer is having a difficult time, but I would appreciate any guidance so I can at least start to have a conversation with her.  She hasn't done anything to the soles on previous trims - but she did trim back the frogs the first trim, this is what has grown back since then and I have asked her not to trim them anymore.

Hopefully, you will receive this reply - but I will also cut and paste and send it out via ECIR main - with Re: Help with Hoof Evaluation Response to Lavinia.

Thanks again,

Rachel





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Rachel (passive participant since 2016)
Ty Mustang IR/likely early-onset PPID
Big Bear City, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rachel%20and%20Ty
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266434

I figure if Ontario Dehy started making those rocks (I called them Tootsie Rolls) again we would be after them with hachets or something!!!  Ha.  I LOVE the soft cubes!!!
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 

I want to say yes so badly but I just don’t see it (sigh). I know I have to be patient but it just seems like it’s taking so long to get rid of the belly. 
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J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album

Nancy,

How long are you soaking the cubes? Hot or cold water? Hay pieces will soak up quite a bit of water and become soft but it takes a while.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

I agree it would be a fantastic thing to have but advertising it is premature. It hasn't been proven to work or be reliable yet. I certainly hope they are not accepting money/orders yet but it wouldn't be the first time a possibly bogus test method was fostered on horse owners. EquiSeq is a good example.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Is there any intrinsic reason haylage is not as suitable as hay for EMS types?  I'm getting my hay cut next week and can get it wrapped at around 65% moisture to make haylage - or risk the weather and leave it drying another few days and make hay.  Obviously the base grass be the same so is there a reason not to wrap?  I will be feeding Evan, EMS type that reacts on grass and several other fat ponies, one of whom is diagnosed as EMS and has had laminitis

Thanks
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Caroline
Spalding, Lincolnshire, UK
September 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Caroline%20and%20Evan
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=231916

I just added more photos from today.
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J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album

To All -

Thank you very much for all the information - just to make it more clear - the cubes that were hard from OD a couple of years ago were very hard and when soaked, they turned into that pea soup consistency - maybe I shouldn't have said pea soup consistency - was trying to find something yesterday that resembled the way they looked and found photos of (don't laugh) cake mixes that had been blended and if you know what cake mixes look like when they are blended, that's the way these cubes looked - there were no bits of hay in them and they were of a creamy smooth consistency as in a cake mix blend before it's put in the oven -

My pony now drinks all the liquid around these newer shredded and soaked cubes from OD and is then left with the coarse hay pieces which he has trouble swallowing.  No amount of water or soaking time will matter because the hay is still there and is still coarse for him.

I saw a post on here from a while ago from someone who said that her horse had a sore throat and couldn't eat forage of any kind as he had choked on something and his throat was still sore - I feel that this is the problem with my pony - from choking a few times, I believe his throat has been irritated by it and so the coarseness of the cubes irritates his throat as our throats would feel if we tried to eat when we had a sore throat - Also, I did notice though that at the times when I've given him Banamine if he is a little arthritic or sore, he can eat these coarse cubes with no problem at all - so the Banamine takes away the pain in his throat

I've been looking into the Standlee Timothy Alfalfa haycubes (don't know the NSC numbers for them though) for him as there is Bentonite added which will make the cubes hard and therefore like the "cake mix" consistency that he had before - don't know if Alfalfa makes them that consistency but what I've read about binders, they make the cubes a certain consistency and hard which is okay with me as long as they turn out to be that smooth cake mix consistency.

Will let you know what happens - 
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Nancy Gaiser-NY-2021