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Re: Welcome me back but diagnoses is pending the vet visit in 2 weeks and subsequent results.

Carolyn Marshall
 


Re: Help with Hoof Evaluation Response to Lavinia.

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Rachel,

If your vet absolutely won't change labs, you can get ACTH done at BET.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


For Lavinia re Ty's hooves

Rachel Fazio
 

FYI -the Xrays are from 2017 - so not sure he still has the issue with the angle of bone - as we were just starting to get a handle on his feet and they were in pretty bad shape back then when the xrays were taken.  I posted the Xrays more for diagnostic of the sidebone / ringbone than anything else, am sure those conditions have accelerated, but keeping him moving with moderate exercise and terrain that isn't too extreme seems to be working - most people would not know he has arthritis from looking at him.   Also since I took the original photos a week ago we have had considerable rain, so his soles have sluffed off a bit - once the rain stops today I will take four additional sole shots and upload them in case those will help.

Thanks,

Rachel
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Rachel (passive participant since 2016)
Ty Mustang IR/likely early-onset PPID
Big Bear City, CA
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rachel%20and%20Ty
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266434


Re: Diet/Supplement Questions for Cupcake (Alison) + recommended blood work + Prascend dose

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Here are some blogs on that topic:

https://wp.me/p2WBdh-1aH

https://wp.me/p2WBdh-ys

--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Diet/Supplement Questions for Cupcake (Alison) + recommended blood work + Prascend dose

 

On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 09:31 AM, Rebecca Wyatt ~ Nature's Path Hoof Care wrote:
I've always heard that horses need a steady supply of forage (albeit not in great amounts) to help prevent stress and ulcers. Is this no longer the consensus?
Hi, Rebecca.  It is true that horses need access to forage over a 24 hour day instead of being meal-fed two or three times in that time period. But it's obviously not true they need forage in their mouths 24 hours a day to avoid ulcers, or we couldn't ride or work them. We avoid long periods of empty stomachs, but that is not the same as steady consumption 24/7.

We suggest slow feed hay nets to extend the time that forage is available and to slow down consumption for our equines that lack an appetite off-switch. Following Dr Kellon's guidance, I aim for periods no longer than 2 hours without access to forage during the day and 6 hours over night. 
 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The alfalfa causes problems in a large percentage of metabolic horses. I would definitely stop it.  If the supplement was the problem, he would have improved by now. Toes can come back more going by your films but it's not a major issue.  He is obviously a chronic case but something is triggering this.  He may need to be isolated and fed separately until you can get on top of this.

He is mildly iron overloaded. Should be easily managed with correct diet balancing. Another mineral issue you have is that your diet is very heavily calcium overloaded. I would start him on 10 grams/day of magnesium ASAP.

For a palatable and safe mineral carrier, try Stabul 1. You can order from Chewy.com.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: ECIR Group 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference -- Early Bird Expires TOMORROW

Nancy C
 

I'm sorry Lisa. No other issues reported.

Have you tried clearing your cash and rebooting?

If you continue to have an issue, drop me a line at threecatfarm "at" cyberpine "dot" net
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Thanks, Martha. At my request, we increased by a half dose this time last year and sustained it through spring but saw no improvement. I’ll chat with my vet and see what she thinks.
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Thunder (2000-2021)

Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee (1999-2020)
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Frodo%20-Thunder%20-%20Soozee/Hay%20Analysis/2021_7_20_%20Crowe_Hay%20Analysis.pdf


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Lorna,
Thank you! I want sure if the hulls would fall into the inflammatory category as well. Thanks for the clarification. I’ll see if I can round some up. 
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Thunder (2000-2021)

Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee (1999-2020)
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Frodo%20-Thunder%20-%20Soozee/Hay%20Analysis/2021_7_20_%20Crowe_Hay%20Analysis.pdf


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

Lorna Cane
 

Soy hull pellets?

No,we avoid inflammatory foods. They are close to the profile of beet pulp.
Note also ,they are soy hulls, made into pellets. Not soy beans.
Sometimes that can be misunderstood.

--

Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: Increase in pracend formally rise

 

Hi Tara,
The recommendation is actually to increase the pergolide before the rise.  Increasing it during the rise might not be as effective.  A lot of ask the same question about how much extra to add for the rise.  My horse, Logo, was not very sensitive to pergolide so I had to increase his dose by a fair amount each time.  I’m not sure how to interpret the TRH Stim test of a horse already on pergolide.  You pretty much have to go with your gut.  My gut would suggest that I increase by 1 mg and see how he does.  Does your vet insist on your using Prascend or will compounded pergolide be considered?
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

 

Becky, just a heads up that you don’t want to truck him to have his ACTH tested.  Your results will be elevated.  There are members who draw the blood themselves and deliver it to the vet or have a small animal vet draw it for you and hopefully submit it for you as well.  Your vet might be willing to increase his pergolide without testing if you agree to test the next time the vet is there.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: ECIR Group 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference -- Early Bird Expires TOMORROW

liisaacson
 

Hi Nancy 

im not sure if anyone else is having issues registering, but I am encountering errors with the PayPal reference from the registration page. (Seasoned PayPal user…. The registration page link to PayPal seems broken). 


thoughts?
thanks,
lisa
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Lisa and Haven
Independence, MN
2015

Haven's case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lisa%20and%20Haven 

Haven's photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=261155 


Re: Purina Equine Sr. - My Brain Hurts...

Bonnie
 

I find them a little too crumbly for carrying in my pockets as treats. Must remember to turn pockets inside out before putting things in the laundry! But nothing beats the ease of preparation for  very satisfying "mash".
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Thank you - yes, we have the vet out annually and as needed in between. We just chatted this week, and wondered why we hadn’t revisited those tests. It’s on the list for the next visit. He’s not well enough to trailer and because of our rural location, the cost of farm calls is prohibitive, so I have to be a bit strategic. 
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Thunder (2000-2021)

Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee (1999-2020)
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Frodo%20-Thunder%20-%20Soozee/Hay%20Analysis/2021_7_20_%20Crowe_Hay%20Analysis.pdf


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

rebecca.ann.crowe@...
 

Thank you for the suggestion - any concerns about them being inflammatory?
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Becky Crowe
Luck, Wisconsin, USA
Joined July 2019
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Frodo
Frodo Case History
Frodo Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93268
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Thunder (2000-2021)

Thunder Case History
Thunder Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93211
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Soozee (1999-2020)
Soozee Case History
Soozee Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93212
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Hay Analysishttps://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Becky%20and%20Frodo%20-Thunder%20-%20Soozee/Hay%20Analysis/2021_7_20_%20Crowe_Hay%20Analysis.pdf


Increase in pracend formally rise

Tara Smith
 


--Hi hope everyone is well ...Question about fall rise increases. LAST YEAR ..Gavi was on 2mg pracend with a new season showing   signs of uncontrolled cushings ..to date we have now reached almost 6mg compounded pergolide. He was not sweating suddenly this summer on 5.3 mg and then I added .5 more the sweating is better.He has just had a trim a week out and is sore .Firstly do I keep upticking pracend based off clinical signs and also how do I gage going into the fall rise do I give him even more than the about 6mg to help him or stay at this dose?Last test we did his acth with stim was 200, insulin still 120 ....just hoping for  a recommendation as to how much pracend to uptick if recommendation is to add during fall rise?My best always ,Tara
Tara and Gavilon
Mass.  Nov 2017
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tara%20and%20Gavilon
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=11449


Re: Diet/Supplement Questions for Cupcake (Alison) + recommended blood work + Prascend dose

 

Yes, to clarify, she is eating her ration throughout the day (not all she can eat but it's lasting that long). Insulin resistance is such a fascinating topic. I've always heard that horses need a steady supply of forage (albeit not in great amounts) to help prevent stress and ulcers. Is this no longer the consensus?

I'm looking forward to attending the No Laminitis! conference and absorbing every bit of knowledge I can while I recover from mastectomy surgery on the 12th (can't physically work for 6 weeks, but I can learn!).

--
Rebecca Wyatt
https://naturespathhoof.com
https://facebook.com/naturespathhoof
Wilmington, NC ECIR Member since 2007

Cupcake (Alison, owner / Rebecca, farrier)
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alison%20and%20Cupcake%20-%20Rebecca%20Wyatt,%20farrier
Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266055


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

 

Hi Becky,
Your comments about food fussiness made me think of PPID.  You had him tested in summer of 2019 and his ACTH was quite high.  You started him on 0.5 mg of pergolide but don’t appear to have tested his ACTH since then so you don’t really know whether the pergolide you’re giving him was adequate two years ago.  PPID is a progressive disease and more pergolide is frequently needed, even with a controlling dose of pergolide to start so it’s highly likely he needs more.  A good discussion to have with your vet.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Frodo - Radiographs, Iron Panel Results - in Flare-Up

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Becky,

Soy hull pellets make a good carrier, if you haven't tried them. They just need to be dampened, not R/S/R .

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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