Date   

Re: ECIR Group 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference -- Registration closes tomorrow!

Nancy C
 

Registration ends tomorrow Friday, 08.06.21, midnight EDT (New York USA).

Don’t forget recordings will be available to attendees for six months, post conference.

Full schedule here:  https://www.nolaminitis.org/conference-schedule.php

When: The weekend of August 13 - 15, 2021
Orientation: August 12, 2021
Where: ECIR Virtual Conference Room at the location of your choice.

Registration: https://www.nolaminitis.org/registration.php

Who should attend: Anyone with equines in their care.

Lots of last minute details are being finalized for this great event. Your response has been just wonderful. Thank you so much.

As always, many thanks to our generous Benefactors who strongly support the needs of the ECIR Group members.

DIAMOND 
California Trace
Soft-Ride Equine Comfort Boots
Auburn Laboratories, Inc. - APF
ForagePlus
Uckele
Mad Barn
Custom Equine Nutrition - VT Blend
HorseTech

PLATINUM 
Black Horse Spirit, LLC
Progressive Hoof Care Providers

GOLD 
Anderson Feed - NuZu Feed
Omega Fields
Equi-Analytical
My Best Horse
Hay Chix
Island Pharmacy
Beet-E-Bites
Triple Crown
Pure Sole
Ontario Dehy

SILVER 
Sox for Horses

BRONZE
New England Equine Balance
Yank Gulch Equine
Great Plains Forage Balance
Ration Plus

On behalf of your hosts,
Cindy McGinley and Sherry Morse,

and

the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference Committee.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

 

Hi Corrin,

Although you’ve been a member for awhile, this appears to be your first post.  I’ve sent you a formal welcome on a new thread.  Feel free to continue the discussion on coat pattern on this thread.
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Welcome to Corrin. Was Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

 

Hi Corrin,

I know you’ve been a member for awhile but this might be your first post which triggers our group welcome.  I don’t have anything to add to the topic under discussion but your tip is a good one.  The group welcome follows with lots of good reading about the ECIR group.

Welcome to the group! 

The ECIR Group provides the best, most up to date information on Cushing's (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). Please explore our website where you'll find tons of great information that will help you to quickly understand the main things you need to know to start helping your horse. Also open any of the links below (in blue font) for more information/instructions that will save you time.

Have you started your Case History? If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. If you have any trouble, just post a message to let us know where you are stuck. 

Orienting information, such as how the different ECIR sections relate to each other, message etiquettewhat goes where and many how-to pages are in the Wiki. There is also an FAQs on our website that will help answer the most common and important questions new members have. 

Below is a general summary of our DDT/E philosophy which is short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

 

DIAGNOSIS: There are two conditions dealt with here: Cushings (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). These are two separate issues that share some overlapping symptoms. An equine may be either PPID or EMS/IR, neither or both. While increasing age is the greatest risk factor for developing PPID, IR can appear at any age and may have a genetic component. Blood work is used for diagnosis as well as monitoring the level of control of each.

PPID is diagnosed using the Endogenous ACTH test, while EMS/IR is diagnosed by testing non-fasting insulin and glucose.

The fat-derived hormone leptin is also usually abnormally elevated in insulin resistance but because there are many other things which can lower or increase leptin ECIR is not recommending routine testing for this hormone. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating". 

In Europe, adiponectin is tested instead of leptin. Adiponectin helps regulate glucose and fat burning, and maintain insulin sensitivity. Low levels are associated with EMS. It has come to be preferred over leptin because it is not influenced by things like weight or exercise, and also because it was the only factor other than insulin levels that predicted laminitis risk

*Before calling your vet to draw blood for tests, we suggest saving time and wasted money by reading these details and then sharing them with your vet so that everyone is on the same page regarding correct testing and protocols.

*Please remember to request copies of the results of all the tests done rather than just relying on verbal information. Your vet should be able to email these to you. If you have previous test results, please include those as well. All should go in your CH, but if you are having any trouble with the CH, just post in the messages for now. 

Treatment: EMS is a metabolic type - not a disease - that is managed with a low sugar+starch diet and exercise (as able). The super-efficient easy keeper type breeds such as minis, ponies, Morgans, Arabs, Rockies are some of the classic examples. PPID is a progressive disease that is treated with the medication pergolide. Some, but not all, individuals may experience a temporary loss of appetite, lethargy and/or depression when first starting the medication. To avoid this "pergolide veil" (scroll down for side effects), we recommend weaning onto the drug slowly and the use of the product APF. The best long term results are seen when the ACTH is maintained in the middle of the normal range at all times, including during the annual seasonal rise. To accomplish this, the amount of medication may need to increase over time. Neither condition is ever "cured", only properly controlled for the remainder of the equine's life. If your partner is both PPID and IR then both medication and diet management will be needed. 

DIET: Almost all commercial feeds are not suitable - no matter what it says on the bag. Please see the International Safe Feeds List for the safest suggestions.

No hay is "safe" until proven so by chemical analysis. The diet that works for IR is:

  • low carb (less than 10% sugar+starch)
  • low fat (4% or less) 
  • mineral balanced  

We use grass hay, tested to be under 10% ESC + starch, with minerals added to balance the excesses and deficiencies in the hay, plus salt, and to replace the fragile ingredients that are lost when grass is cured into hay, we add ground flax seed and Vitamin E. This diet is crucial for an EMS/IR horse, but also supports the delicate immune system of a PPID horse. 

*Until you can get your hay tested and balanced we recommend that you soak your hay and use the emergency diet (scroll down for it).  The emergency diet is not intended for long term use, but addresses some of the most common major deficiencies. Testing your hay and getting the minerals balanced to its excesses and deficiencies is the best way to feed any equine (look under the Hay Balancing file if you want professional help balancing). If you absolutely cannot test your hay and balance the minerals to it, or would like to use a "stop gap" product until you get your hay balanced, here's a list of "acceptable" ration balancers

There is a lot of helpful information in the start here folder so it is important you read all the documents found there. The emergency diet involves soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water. This removes up to 30% of the sugar content, but no starch. Starch is worse than sugar since it converts 100% to glucose while sugar only converts 50%, so starch causes a bigger insulin spike. Make sure you dump the soaking water where the equine(s) can't get to it. 

What you don't feed on the EMS/IR diet is every bit as, if not more important than, what you do feed! No grass. No grain. No sugary treats, including apples and carrots. No brown/red salt blocks which contain iron (and sometimes molasses) which interferes with mineral balancing, so white salt blocks only. 

No products containing molasses. No bagged feeds with a combined sugar and starch of over 10% or starch over about 4%, or fat over about 4%. Unfortunately, even bagged feeds that say they are designed for IR and/or PPID equines are usually too high in sugar, starch and/or fat. It’s really important to know the actual analysis and not be fooled by a name that says it is suitable for EMS/IR individuals.

We do not recommend feeding alfalfa hay to EMS/IR equines as it makes many of them laminitic. Although it tends to be low in sugar, many times the starch is higher and does not soak out. Additionally, protein and calcium are quite high, which can contribute to sore footedness and make mineral balancing very difficult.

TRIM: A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot. Though important for all equines, it's essential for IR and/or PPID equines to have a proper trim in place since they are at increased risk for laminitis. After any potential triggers are removed from the diet, and in PPID individuals, the ACTH is under control, the realigning trim is often the missing link in getting a laminitic equine comfortable. In general, laminitic hooves require more frequent trim adjustments to maintain the proper alignment so we recommend the use of padded boots rather than fixed appliances (i.e. shoes, clogs), at least during the initial phases of treatment.

Sometimes subclinical laminitis can be misdiagnosed as arthritis, navicular, or a host of other problems as the animal attempts to compensate for sore feet. 

You are encouraged to make an album and post hoof pictures and any radiographs you might have so we can to look to see if you have an optimal trim in place. Read this section of the wiki for how to get a hoof evaluation, what photos are needed, and how to get the best hoof shots and radiographs.

EXERCISEThe best IR buster there is, but only if the equine is comfortable and non-laminitic. An individual that has had laminitis needs 6-9 months of correct realigning trims before any serious exercise can begin. Once the equine is moving around comfortably at liberty, hand walking can begin in long straight lines with no tight turns. Do not force a laminitic individual to move, or allow its other companions to do so. It will begin to move once the pain begins to subside. Resting its fragile feet is needed for healing to take place so if the animal wants to lay down, do not encourage it to get up. Place feed and water where it can be reached easily without having to move any more than necessary. Be extremely careful about movement while using NSAIDs (bute, banamine, previcox, etc.) as it masks pain and encourages more movement than these fragile feet are actually able to withstand. Additionally, NSAIDs (and icing) do not work on metabolic laminitis and long term NSAID use interferes with healing. Therefore, we recommend tapering off NSAIDs after the first week or so of use. If after a week's time your equine's comfort level has not increased, then the cause of the laminitis has not been removed and keeping up the NSAIDs isn't the answer - you need to address the underlying cause.

 

There is lots more information in our files and archived messages and also on our website. It is a lot of information, so take some time to go over it and feel free to ask any questions. If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't worry, you will catch on, and we are always here to help you! Once you have your case history uploaded, we can help you help your equine partner even better.

For members outside North America, there are country specific folders in the files and many international lists in the wiki to help you find local resources.

If you have any technical difficulties, please let us know so we can help you. 

--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

Corrin
 
Edited

Try googling “crushed velvet horse coat” or “puzzlecoat in horses” think it might be what you’re noticing it’s quite common in friesians and other “cold blooded” horses sometimes shows up at random times then goes away  sometimes remains normally more noticeable in the summer coat.  I have no idea what causes it or why lol just another “interesting” quirk. (Messaged edited to remove it from automatic signature).
--
Corrin 
sept 18
shropshire/Staffordshire, uk


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

 

Hi Amy,
I know you’ve been a member for awhile but we could not find any evidence that a formal group welcome had been sent.  I started a new message thread which include the welcome.  I would continue this discussion on this thread.
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Welcome to Amy - was Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

 

Hi Amy,
I know you’ve been a member for awhile but you don’t seem to have been sent our formal welcome before.  We appreciate your input and hope you will weigh in more frequently.  The welcome contains lots of information about ECIR and what it does.  It will most likely be old news to you but a refresher always helps.

Welcome to the group! 

The ECIR Group provides the best, most up to date information on Cushing's (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). Please explore our website where you'll find tons of great information that will help you to quickly understand the main things you need to know to start helping your horse. Also open any of the links below (in blue font) for more information/instructions that will save you time.

Have you started your Case History? If you haven't done so yet, please join our case history sub-group. We appreciate you following the uploading instructions so your folder is properly set up with the documents inside. Go to this CH message with info on how to use various devices and forms. If you have any trouble, just post a message to let us know where you are stuck. 

Orienting information, such as how the different ECIR sections relate to each other, message etiquettewhat goes where and many how-to pages are in the Wiki. There is also an FAQs on our website that will help answer the most common and important questions new members have. 

Below is a general summary of our DDT/E philosophy which is short for Diagnosis, Diet, Trim and Exercise.

 

DIAGNOSIS: There are two conditions dealt with here: Cushings (PPID) and Equine Metabolic Syndrome (EMS)/Insulin Resistance (IR). These are two separate issues that share some overlapping symptoms. An equine may be either PPID or EMS/IR, neither or both. While increasing age is the greatest risk factor for developing PPID, IR can appear at any age and may have a genetic component. Blood work is used for diagnosis as well as monitoring the level of control of each.

PPID is diagnosed using the Endogenous ACTH test, while EMS/IR is diagnosed by testing non-fasting insulin and glucose.

The fat-derived hormone leptin is also usually abnormally elevated in insulin resistance but because there are many other things which can lower or increase leptin ECIR is not recommending routine testing for this hormone. Leptin is the hormone that says "stop eating". 

In Europe, adiponectin is tested instead of leptin. Adiponectin helps regulate glucose and fat burning, and maintain insulin sensitivity. Low levels are associated with EMS. It has come to be preferred over leptin because it is not influenced by things like weight or exercise, and also because it was the only factor other than insulin levels that predicted laminitis risk

*Before calling your vet to draw blood for tests, we suggest saving time and wasted money by reading these details and then sharing them with your vet so that everyone is on the same page regarding correct testing and protocols.

*Please remember to request copies of the results of all the tests done rather than just relying on verbal information. Your vet should be able to email these to you. If you have previous test results, please include those as well. All should go in your CH, but if you are having any trouble with the CH, just post in the messages for now. 

Treatment: EMS is a metabolic type - not a disease - that is managed with a low sugar+starch diet and exercise (as able). The super-efficient easy keeper type breeds such as minis, ponies, Morgans, Arabs, Rockies are some of the classic examples. PPID is a progressive disease that is treated with the medication pergolide. Some, but not all, individuals may experience a temporary loss of appetite, lethargy and/or depression when first starting the medication. To avoid this "pergolide veil" (scroll down for side effects), we recommend weaning onto the drug slowly and the use of the product APF. The best long term results are seen when the ACTH is maintained in the middle of the normal range at all times, including during the annual seasonal rise. To accomplish this, the amount of medication may need to increase over time. Neither condition is ever "cured", only properly controlled for the remainder of the equine's life. If your partner is both PPID and IR then both medication and diet management will be needed. 

DIET: Almost all commercial feeds are not suitable - no matter what it says on the bag. Please see the International Safe Feeds List for the safest suggestions.

No hay is "safe" until proven so by chemical analysis. The diet that works for IR is:

  • low carb (less than 10% sugar+starch)
  • low fat (4% or less) 
  • mineral balanced  

We use grass hay, tested to be under 10% ESC + starch, with minerals added to balance the excesses and deficiencies in the hay, plus salt, and to replace the fragile ingredients that are lost when grass is cured into hay, we add ground flax seed and Vitamin E. This diet is crucial for an EMS/IR horse, but also supports the delicate immune system of a PPID horse. 

*Until you can get your hay tested and balanced we recommend that you soak your hay and use the emergency diet (scroll down for it).  The emergency diet is not intended for long term use, but addresses some of the most common major deficiencies. Testing your hay and getting the minerals balanced to its excesses and deficiencies is the best way to feed any equine (look under the Hay Balancing file if you want professional help balancing). If you absolutely cannot test your hay and balance the minerals to it, or would like to use a "stop gap" product until you get your hay balanced, here's a list of "acceptable" ration balancers

There is a lot of helpful information in the start here folder so it is important you read all the documents found there. The emergency diet involves soaking your untested hay for an hour in cold water or 30 minutes in hot water. This removes up to 30% of the sugar content, but no starch. Starch is worse than sugar since it converts 100% to glucose while sugar only converts 50%, so starch causes a bigger insulin spike. Make sure you dump the soaking water where the equine(s) can't get to it. 

What you don't feed on the EMS/IR diet is every bit as, if not more important than, what you do feed! No grass. No grain. No sugary treats, including apples and carrots. No brown/red salt blocks which contain iron (and sometimes molasses) which interferes with mineral balancing, so white salt blocks only. 

No products containing molasses. No bagged feeds with a combined sugar and starch of over 10% or starch over about 4%, or fat over about 4%. Unfortunately, even bagged feeds that say they are designed for IR and/or PPID equines are usually too high in sugar, starch and/or fat. It’s really important to know the actual analysis and not be fooled by a name that says it is suitable for EMS/IR individuals.

We do not recommend feeding alfalfa hay to EMS/IR equines as it makes many of them laminitic. Although it tends to be low in sugar, many times the starch is higher and does not soak out. Additionally, protein and calcium are quite high, which can contribute to sore footedness and make mineral balancing very difficult.

TRIM: A proper trim is toes backed and heels lowered so that the hoof capsule closely hugs and supports the internal structures of the foot. Though important for all equines, it's essential for IR and/or PPID equines to have a proper trim in place since they are at increased risk for laminitis. After any potential triggers are removed from the diet, and in PPID individuals, the ACTH is under control, the realigning trim is often the missing link in getting a laminitic equine comfortable. In general, laminitic hooves require more frequent trim adjustments to maintain the proper alignment so we recommend the use of padded boots rather than fixed appliances (i.e. shoes, clogs), at least during the initial phases of treatment.

Sometimes subclinical laminitis can be misdiagnosed as arthritis, navicular, or a host of other problems as the animal attempts to compensate for sore feet. 

You are encouraged to make an album and post hoof pictures and any radiographs you might have so we can to look to see if you have an optimal trim in place. Read this section of the wiki for how to get a hoof evaluation, what photos are needed, and how to get the best hoof shots and radiographs.

EXERCISEThe best IR buster there is, but only if the equine is comfortable and non-laminitic. An individual that has had laminitis needs 6-9 months of correct realigning trims before any serious exercise can begin. Once the equine is moving around comfortably at liberty, hand walking can begin in long straight lines with no tight turns. Do not force a laminitic individual to move, or allow its other companions to do so. It will begin to move once the pain begins to subside. Resting its fragile feet is needed for healing to take place so if the animal wants to lay down, do not encourage it to get up. Place feed and water where it can be reached easily without having to move any more than necessary. Be extremely careful about movement while using NSAIDs (bute, banamine, previcox, etc.) as it masks pain and encourages more movement than these fragile feet are actually able to withstand. Additionally, NSAIDs (and icing) do not work on metabolic laminitis and long term NSAID use interferes with healing. Therefore, we recommend tapering off NSAIDs after the first week or so of use. If after a week's time your equine's comfort level has not increased, then the cause of the laminitis has not been removed and keeping up the NSAIDs isn't the answer - you need to address the underlying cause.

 

There is lots more information in our files and archived messages and also on our website. It is a lot of information, so take some time to go over it and feel free to ask any questions. If you are feeling overwhelmed, don't worry, you will catch on, and we are always here to help you! Once you have your case history uploaded, we can help you help your equine partner even better.

For members outside North America, there are country specific folders in the files and many international lists in the wiki to help you find local resources.

If you have any technical difficulties, please let us know so we can help you. 


--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

AC Diehl
 

It's a coat hair pattern- whorl, whirl, swirl etc. not related to any metabolic or nutrition or injury etc.

They can be more obvious at different times of the year.

Amy Diehl
PHCP Holistic Hoof Care
(No horse CH)
CA/NV 2017


Re: summer hair

Daisy Shepherd
 

thank you sherry; he has been doing this for the past month or so;  i am a worry wart so just checking.  daisy and tiko
--
-- 
Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


Re: New member, question about feeding recommendations for thin horse with PPID

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Amy,

Spring is the best case scenario for ACTH numbers. You could see something very different now. Mentioning that because weight and muscle loss is often a sign of incompletely controlled PPID.

You may be surprised to know that horses with severe IR and diabetic range glucose are very thin. I'm not saying that's her for sure but you need blood tests for glucose and insulin to tell.

If she hasn't been dewormed recently, do that. The poor immunity, which is also a symptom of PPID, which led to the pyometra also weakens their resistance to parasites.

Finally, tooth wear and dental work over time change the angle of the chewing surface, making chewing less efficient. She may do better on a soaked cube diet - type to be determined by her blood work.

--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Eastern Bluegrass Straw?

Ronelle
 

Chemelle-  I had tried to feed this type hay as a filler, between meals with his regular hay.  All my horse did was toss out most of the stems making a big mess and find seeds that was left after collection.  This year I bought a bale of straw (unk type of grass) from Wilco to use as a liner in my dump trailer.  It helps the manure to slide out when I dump it.  I give a small amount in in a feed pan to my horse which is short stems and seeds.  This he gobbles up.  Also, was the farmer charging per bale or ton?  Just curious.
--
Ronelle and Yoyo
2015 Bend, Or, US


Re: Balancing teff pellets

 
Edited

Hi Nicole,
I just searched the messages for both ‘teff’ and ‘teff pellets’.  It brought up quite a few.  I would suggest doing the same and see if you can draw any conclusions.  I noted that one person said that Standlee teff pellets have a guaranteed analysis. You could contact them to see what they mean by that.  Also, you could have an analysis done to get the ‘general’ idea of what you are asking about.  I recall reading about a horse or two that were allergic to timothy.  You could search on that as well, somehow.  

Sorry we can’t provide you with the answer you’re looking for.  I’m not sure a single answer exists.  As she’s been on the pellets awhile, have you noticed any IR symptoms, such as inappropriate fat pads?  How about an insulin test?  Maybe another approach would be to contact several companies that sell a good mix, such as California Trace, Vt Blend or Uckele to ask about their supplementing suggestions.
--

Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

Bonnie
 

Hi Susan, I am a fan of videos on a Youtube channel called Friesian Horses. The woman who films it walks among the many horses of all ages at the farm, showing closeups. I have noticed interesting patterns on the horses' coats where the direction of the growth changes, and reflects light in complex patterns Is this what you are describing?
--
Bonnie and Lad
North Ontario
Dec 2008
 


Re: Balancing teff pellets

Nicole
 

I know the analysis will change a bit from one run to the next, but I thought maybe there would be a general recommendation to go with the teff, since there are a couple analysis' in the files already. Her diet has been extremely messed up for the last 4-5 months while battling the right dorsal colitis and hindgut issues.

I think I have the case history added. I need to get my most recent lab report from the vet yet, and figure out the photo album to add x-rays. 

Thanks,
--
Nicole P
2021, Minnesota 

Case History: Strawberry Case History


Re: Bailey chronic RF lameness

Karen
 


Re: Bailey chronic RF lameness

Karen
 

Lavinia, you are correct. X-ray dated 7/6 was first. But the vet had the farrier rasp her heel like that on 7/28. After the blocks wore off she was worse than when we took her in. And she's still bad. 
--
Karen Wellner
OKC
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bailey%20Case%20History%20KW
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266692


Re: summer hair

Sherry Morse
 

Both of my horses (one not IR/PPID, one mild IR) are blowing their summer coats right now as are most of the horses in the barn.  Unless he's growing a winter coat already I wouldn't worry about this.




Re: Plain beet pulp

celestinefarm
 

If anyone is really interested in how sugar beets are grown , harvested , and the sugar extracted, leaving the beet "pulp" that we feed to our horses, this link to the Southern Minnesota Beet Sugar Cooperative is an excellent site. Lots of reading as they take you step by step with photos to end product. Michigan is also a very active sugar beet growing state, and if you are driving by the fields in mid michigan in the fall, it is amazing to see the line of trucks bring huge piles of what looks like funny shaped potatoes out of the fields.
Sugar Process - Intro (smbsc.com)

--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


summer hair

Daisy Shepherd
 

tiko is growing lots of summer hair, easily comes out with grooming;  any thoughts?  had trh test in January  2021 very normal-   pre 13.5, post 34.2;  last acth  before trh test10/2020  18.3.   all labs at cornell, continues in regular work, sound,  continue to work with lavinia on feet.  we have had a very hot summer,  thank you, daisy and tiko
--
-- 
Daisy, Tiko and Whisper
CO, April 2019
Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Daisy%20and%20Tiko 
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90099&p=Name,,,20,2,0,0


locked Re: Anyone seen this coat "pattern" before? Deficiency or...?

S Kauffmann
 

The horse is a yearling.
--
Susan K in NV
2003


Re: Plain beet pulp

Deb Walker
 

Kathy - Scotty gets about 2 1/2 lbs of beet pulp a day (non-molasses/RSR) mixed in with his ODTB soaked cubes, which is his sole diet minus supplements. He has been getting this amount for quite some time. Last year, I wondered if he needed so much, and started cutting down the amount, with no reduction in his ODTB soaked cubes. When my vet came, she commented that he had lost some weight and wondered if I had changed anything. At first it didn't register that I had cut out some of the beet pulp until a light bulb went off in my head. As soon as I told her she said, "That's it. Put him back to where you were." I did, he gained weight, and has maintained well ever since.

Hence, I really appreciated reading Dr. Kellon's article regarding beet pulp facts. If your horse doesn't need to gain or maintain weight, it's probably safe to say they don't need as much beet pulp, but this is what has worked well for me.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619

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