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Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Lorna Cane
 

I guess you must be talking about the bloodwork folder .

The CH doesn't have any data for 2021 recorded that I can see. 
Great that you're able to update it.....the case history. Is very helpful to see the details in one place.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Rhonda Turley
 

Thanks for the reply!  I will update it to today an upload on the weekend.  Last update was April 19,2021.

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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159


Re: Saraphina insulin test results

CYNDI CARLSON
 


-- Hi Candice,
Yes Philip talked to me about bone loss.She currently is standing on lots of shavings not moving much. She no longer will eat anything but dry hay,I just bumped up her prascend to 1mg.I have her on APF but I was very concerned she would stop eating, so far she’s eating.Philip suggested two days ago I get a book” how to let go of your old friend” so at this point I do not see him coming back.I no longer have the same vet. New vet on board. Photos are VERY VERY hard at this point to get of her feet.She is up often during the day. My concern is ,is she getting worse or working thru the cut Philip took off her toes? This horse has come back from SO many episodes it just makes me hang in there.
Shes definitely tough, I put layers of heavy socks around her toes and sole in her boots.If she can NOT recover I am fighting a losing battle.
Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Rhonda Turley
 

Thanks for the response!  There has been no change in trim.  I have a very good farrier (who lectures at the University of Guelph Vet College and he is the one who noticed the laminitis in my horse in April 2020) and started this journey.  It has been exceptionally wet this entire spring and summer.  The barn's dressage ring has been unusable as it has turned to a lake.  I rely on Mad Barn AminoTrace+ for his minerals(https://madbarn.com/product/aminotrace/).  He has been receiving 1 cup every day for over a year now.  Lysine min. 30%CP with 10 g per 200 g.  Methionine min. 18%CP with 6 g. per 200 g.
The hay is coming from one supplier but the barn owner cannot tell the difference between Timothy and Alfalfa and the supplier knows this and calls the hay whatever he wants and the barn owner will buy it. He sold her several loads of very late cut alfalfa and called it grass hay! The latest hay supply is in 1000lb square bales.  I may sneak around and see if I can grab some samples. 


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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159


Re: Best Friend Grazing Muzzle

 

Big fan of the Tough 1, especially if you have a horse that can rub off a mask in under 3 minutes. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Need Advice On Evaluating Relevante's Numbers-Hay Analysis

 

Lynn, I’m so sorry to learn of your accident!  I almost decided to rename our farm ‘Broken Leg Farm’ due to all the broken legs sustained here by me and our menagerie.  Then I decided that might not be good karma.  I hope you are healing well.  Before long it will be little more than a memory, something to add to your list of life’s interesting adventures.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

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Re: Best Friend Grazing Muzzle

 

Thank you ...this should work. I don't think she will be able to get too much hay out of the hay net as she would if she were on pasture. I shall give this a try!

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Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Need Advice On Evaluating Relevante's Numbers-Hay Analysis

Lynn
 

I will apologize in advance for not having Relevante's Case History up to date [last posting was June 3, 2021]. I broke my leg in June [non-horse related] and have been recovering at my folks place and don't have access to all my documents. I had just rehabbed Relevante to the point of a 1-hour long trail ride when I had my little accident. I'll try to be concise. Our barn owners bought used equipment to cut/bale their own hay this year. They were able to cut it at its prime [June] and I managed to get help with pulling core samples and sent it to Equi-Analytical for analysis. I also had Relevante's ACTH tested in June.  In July I had the hay balanced and today got Relevante's insulin test results back from Cornell. Here are all the results....
June ACTH test - 19.4 pg/mL
June 30, 2021 Hay Analysis - ESC 9.0, Starch .9
August 5, 2021 Insulin  - 44.74 ulU/ml
                     EMS Calculator - RISQI 0.15
The hay analysis sent me into a minor panic because according to my understanding it barely makes the safety cut-off. It did initially cause loose stool but that has finally resolved. My vet wasn't concerned and I attributed that to change of diet.
His ACTH test came back the lowest it has ever been since diagnosis
His insulin test came back the highest it has ever been...
His hay balancing came back as follows:

              You can continue with CA Trace Plus, which has a little more copper and zinc than you need.  Continue adding the magnesium oxide, but discontinue the monosodium                        phosphate, and the additional copper and zinc.   Also continue feeding the salt and flax oil. You are adding more selenium, vitamin A, and biotin to what's already in the CA                Trace Plus, but they won't hurt the balancing if you want to continue with them.  It looks like you're covered for vitamin E.  These items don't affect the hay balancing, so                    you can continue or discontinue as you see fit:

 

California Trace Plus

EQ-Tendon [Uckele]

EQ-Muscle [Uckele}

Vitamin E/Selenium pellets [Uckele]

Jiaogulan

Biotin [Uckele]

Thiamine [Uckele]

Aloe Vera [Uckele]

Mov-Ease

Hemp Joint [Uckele]

Hemp Daily Support [Uckele]

Forco

Vitamin A – 40,000 IU [per Dr. K]

2 T daily of Salt

Flax seed oil form

Cocosoya oil

He is not foot sore. Since I broke my leg i have been paying people to free lunge him in the arena - warm up walk, gait, canter, walk etc. for 45 minutes a session with us trying to get him up to 20 minutes of gait/canter - he has handled that very well. He has no crest, no bulging above the eyes, no other visual symptoms of uncontrolled ACTH or insulin. We have kept up with 4-week trims and done paid consulting with Lavinia to keep feet in check and progressing to optimal trim.
I am paranoid about the hay analysis and the high insulin. And I don't know what the EMS Calculator number means. Should I be concerned and take other actions? Is the high insulin maybe related to the rise? I am still on crutches/no weight bearing but my neice has been driving me to the farm once a week so i can check on him, brush him [carefully] and keep his supplements/oils stocked. I continue to watch him closely for any symptoms and am trying not to be in dread of something awful happening that will set him back.  Thanks for any advice - I apologize this is so long. 

 

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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Rhonda,

Thanks. Sorry, but I can't see them in his case history. Nothing is reported for 2021....or I need to junk my computer,maybe.

Nice to see his numbers coming in lower than last year. I know you would like his insulin to be even lower.

Maybe you have updated his diet for this year,too ? I'm not sure why I'm not seeing 2021 data.
Will explore further.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Rhonda,

PPID could be involved but there are many other factors. EMS leads to weakened laminae even when there is not an obvious acute laminitis episode. If his white line is stretched, as most of them are with EMS, this is a portal for infection.  Other contributing factors include:

- Recent trim or change in trim. This alters the forces inside the hoof and strains encapsulated serum/infection pockets.
- Very wet or dry weather - challenges white line integrity.
- Inadequate trace mineral balancing.
- Inadequate lysine and methionine intake.

Those last two are hay balancing issues. I understand he's at a boarding barn but if you talk to the owner and/or the hay supplier you may find the hay is always coming from a limited number of suppliers. This could make a hay testing strategy possible.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Rhonda Turley
 

Scooter lives in a large boarding barn.  I have tried to get them to weigh hay but they just eyeball the amounts and I eyeball it as well.I have been matching the hay amount to his desired weight which is 1200 lbs and his exercise level as well.  He is getting free choice timothy hay and his current weight is 1193 lbs. (There is no 25 lbs of hay listing in his case history because I have never known what the weight is).  He is eating his free choice timothy hay plus two meals of 1 qt of timothy cubes (not balance cubes) mixed with 1 qt of beet pulp soaked.  His morning meal is the carrier for his AminoTrace+ and other supplements.
Evidence of abscesses in his feet for the last 2 weeks:  There can be a noticeable pulse on either the lateral or median side of each front hoof. Sometimes one front hoof or both. The abscesses seem to be breaking out of his front feet frogs/heel areas.  He has been absolutely fine since his April 2021 testing and before that as well.  it seems a strange coincidence that hoof abscess coincide with the ACTH rise. My farrier came on July 29  and did his regular trim and I had asked him to check for any abnormality and there were none. It was at this time that he had general hoof soreness but on this day he was sound. I was thinking of doing more blood sample testing at this time but it usually takes 3 to 4 weeks before I get the results. I will try and upload recent hoof pictures and body pictures.  Any help would be appreciated.
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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159


Re: ECIR Group 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference -- Registration closes tomorrow!

Nancy C
 

Yes, Madalyn you are registered.

You should have confirmations in your inbox as well as more information.
The digital program handout was also sent to the registered attendees we had on file as of this morning.


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021
Join us at the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference, August 13-15, ECIR Virtual Conference Room


Re: Hoof abscesses in front hooves

Rhonda Turley
 

He was tested in April 2021 and the results are in his case history. The insulin number was high (384Pmol/L) and this was discussed in this group when I received the results.  (ACTH=4.9 Pmol/L) ( Glucose=5.1 Mmol/L). The blood draw was done at 6:00 PM.  Scooter is in a large boarding barn and I had asked to feed him hay for 4 hrs previous but obviously something went wrong. He was out in his dry lot.
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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159


Re: PHYTOQUENCH and Devil's Claw

Starshine Ranch
 

Hi Cheri,
Thank you again for all this info.  I have decided to keep her on the Equioxx (since I already have it) and reduce to 1/2 pill/day after the intital 2 weeks, for about another month and then I will switch to the Phytoquench or straight Devil's claw w/ the beet root powder as you suggested.  I figure if I get her started on the Equioxx, then the transition might be smoother to the other and if the Phyto or straight Devil's claw isn't effective for her, I can go back to Equioxx... but hopefully not!
You were a great help and you give me hope that I can control her joint pain without an Nsaid.
Thank you, again,
Linda
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Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Re: Wellness Ready

Janet Oppio
 

Shades of Theranos maybe? Seems like marketing a machine before its testing capabilities has been verified has a unsavory recent history. In the case of Theranos there  were all manner of reputable investors and clients and they were all bilked.
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Janet 
East Bay Northern CA
Joined 2019


Re: The best diet for horse with Cushing AND Lyme...

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lisa,

He might prefer the magnesium pellets in powdered form?
Try putting them through a coffee grinder.

--

Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
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Re: New Shot of Fergus - Why doesn't the weight tape see to reflect what I am seeing?

 
Edited

Hi, Jennifer. Please read the information. You'll see that you'd probably never know without blood tests that include a lipid panel or at least triglycerides. I keep reading that you're focused on weight loss. You can't rush it.  ECIR diet recommendations were listed in the initial greeting you got here. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/266280  Keep working to get the whole diet right. Don't just cut back on carrots. Eliminate them. There are plenty of safe treats (check the Files), including from Uckele https://uckele.com/equi-treats-apple-pie-4lb.html  and from Nuzu Stabul 1 https://www.chewy.com/stabul-nuggets-molasses-free/dp/227253 . And keep up the exercise. It's really good for him. 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos               


Re: Best Friend Grazing Muzzle

Sherry Morse
 

The Tough 1 is a similar build but a bigger hole so you may want to block it a bit if you find that's an issue. https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/tough-one-deluxe-easy-breathe-v-muzzle-13085




Best Friend Grazing Muzzle

 

The Deluxe Best Friend Grazing Muzzle is sold out and I reached out to the company to see when they expected stock to be available. She said the next order coming in will fill backorders so their best estimate for new orders is October. My question is....is their an alternate that folks think is as good and safe? Or should I take a deep breath and wait until October. We are 6 days into weighing out her meals hanging 3lbs of hay in double nets with 1" holes every 3 hours 4 times during the day and then 8lbs in her stall at night.  Some days that 3lbs goes a little longer at some meals than others. Some mornings she acts like I forgot to feed her the night before but for the most part it seems to be going better than anticipated. She just gets through the "meals" in about an hour or less.

Thank you,


Nancy and Akira
3/20/2018  Burkesville KY

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Akira


Re: The best diet for horse with Cushing AND Lyme...

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Lisa,

Frankly I can't waste medication trying to get a horse to eat it so I syringe it in using a 50cc dose syringe. My preferred version is this one:https://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html?pgguid=FEB5ADC1-1209-4CF1-B16B-55721B659E12.  Without knowing why he's on Equioxx or how long he's been on it be aware that there are NSAID rebound effects from stopping them without tapering off.  Therefore we recommend tapering off slowly as outlined here: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Pain%20Medication%20and%20Alternatives/How%20to%20Taper%20Off%20NSAIDs.pdf.  If you need to keep him on a pain killer for some reason we recommend something like PhytoQuench.  This documents outlines how to switch from NSAIDs to PQ: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Pain%20Medication%20and%20Alternatives/Pain%20control,%20switching%20from%20Bute%20to%20Phyto-Quench.pdf.

Without a case history it's difficult to comment on before/after a colic episode. 



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