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Re: Homeopathy

Marianne @ Austin
 

Francis-
I am likely coming in on an older thread-
And this may be against ECIR protocol so please someone let me know if out of line-
But wondering how I can contact Francis 1-1 to discuss homeopathy-

Thank you
Marianne
--
Marianne 2009 Texas

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Marianne%20and%20Shadow


Recurring Abscesses - Where to go from Here?

Editor@...
 

Hello -  I first just have to express my overflowing gratitude for this group, the moderators and supporters, the effort & work to create the detailed helpful instructions and all the work to help horses and their people!! Truly blown away!! 

I post today, with the crisis part over... now I'm trying to figure out what needs to change and where to go from here. Been reading and reading in the group - posts, emergency diet, DDT-E, etc. Trying to learn as much as I can... (Yes my head is spinning)

Alaric, my 22 year old Arabian gelding has had an abscess at least once the last 3 years. 2020 was really bad - he was lame for 6 weeks before the abscess finally blew. They usually show up in Spring (I keep him off the spring grass now) and I was so pleased to have made it thru Spring 2021 with no abscess. But he has one now, same RF hoof. 

Alaric came to me Nov of 2017 underweight and it has been a struggle to get him to gain weight and keep it on. But late last year, the diet seemed to work and he's been a good weight, keeping it on, and I've even been able to reduce the amount of alfalfa cubes (soaked) that he was getting.

Monday he came in for breakfast lame/limping on RF. Kept him in a small paddock area overnight. What scared me is Tuesday, 3 of 4 legs were really swollen. I was afraid he was going laminitic.  Phone consult with vet guiding my examination revealed, no heat in any hooves, no pounding digital pulse. Vet thought swelling was from inactivity.  As of today Aug 15, swelling has subsided on all legs, only heat is slight heat in RF heel bulbs.

Alaric has been stalled in a 12x12' during the day, stall with 'run' 15x24 at night.  Implemented the emergency diet.  I'm soaking his coastal hay because i buy at feed store 2-3 bales at a time. Normally don't feed much hay, cause on pasture 24/7.  Picked up Standlee beet pulp shreds (no molasses), R/S/R, TC Naturals Flax.  Thankfully he likes it (small win). He's still limping but it's better. No sign of abscess exit point yet.   Have asked Tractor Supply to see if they can get the TC Timothy Balance Cubes recommended. Stopped the Enrich Plus Ration Balance, and coconut oil. He is still getting a little Coolstance in the beet pulp shreds, with the Redmond salt, flax, magnesium. 

I trim Alaric myself under the mentoring of professional barefoot trimmer. May ask him to take over for awhile.

The big missing piece for Alaric is exercise. He has only had 24/7 pasture movement for this year, no riding. I know that's a BIG piece going forward - once he's able. 

Clearly there is an underlying issue here. How do I proceed to find out what's going on? Do I need to get the RF x-rayed? Blood tests?

And... I can't/don't want to keep him stalled all the time, so now what do I do? I don't have a dry lot or Paddock Paradise (yet). I have an arena but it has grass (that I've tried to mow down to nothing).

Thank you so much for your assistance - 

--
Lauren S in Texas 2021 August

Alaric's Case History

Alaric's Photo Album


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

CYNDI CARLSON
 


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Great news, Cyndi.

FYI, I just spoke to him as well.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Test complete feed?

 

Hi Jodi,

I balanced hay for someone in Canada who sent a Mad Barn supplement for testing.   They had added calcium when it wasn't supposed to have any.  Everything else was what we expected. 

They were concerned and of course offered to replace the mix.

That was the only one I know of. 

Carol Broyles 
August 2007
Spring Valley,  Ohio 


Re: Hay Analysis - Fergus

Jennifer Green
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon. With the sugar as low as it is, how critical do you think is it for him to have it soaked? If his insulin numbers haven’t gone down when I retest, I guess this will have to be the next step since I’m running out of options. 
--
J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Hay Analysis - Fergus

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Soaking for the durations we recommend only lowers potassium (and there's plenty of that) and sugar. Sodium may soak out but there's usually not enough in there to matter anyway.
--
Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Butterscotch I:G ratio #file-notice

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Naomi, 

I would not be worried about Butterscotch's latest insulin as long as that is a non-fasting result.  She is only a smidge above normal.  I would continue the management you had in place when her blood was pulled.  Her glucose number is a bit lower than we'd expect, which could be due to some sample degradation on the way to the lab, so the G:I ratio might look a bit low.  And her insulin could be slightly elevated from the PPID, but it's still nice and low.   Your July ACTH is still a bit high.  The goal with these horses is to keep ACTH in the middle of the lab range through the rise, and Butterscotch was at the upper end already at the very start of the seasonal rise.  I agree with Sherry that a dose increase is warranted.  If you can keep her ACTH tightly controlled I don't see why she couldn't be turned out on pasture.  But right now it is not tightly controlled.  As a rule I definitely recommend always testing insulin (and ideally glucose) with ACTH since that will give you a better idea of how strict her diet needs to be.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Help with deciphering results

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Jen,

There are details on what the calculator values mean near the bottom of this webpage:
https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diagnosis.php

Your case history appears to be missing the actual Sept 2020 bloodwork results, although you include calculator values for them?   As you'll see, Deva has EMS (IR), which is no surprise given her body condition and breed.  Her 2020 calculator results also suggest that her EMS isn't being well controlled.  Elevated insulin can be related to PPID.

I don't see any results for a PPID test either.  If you want to try pergolide to see if that alleviates her symptoms your vet will determine a starting dose, but 1mg is a standard starting dose for a full-size horse.  Usually we suggest starting with 1/4 pill (mg) for the first 3-4 days, then increasing by 1/4 every few days until the full dose is reached.  This helps alleviate the early side effects that some horses get when starting pergolide. 

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

 

Yay, Cyndi and Saraphina!  Sounds like it was a good day today!
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: One eyed horse

kate.v.bayley@...
 

That's really interesting to know, thank you. I do live a lot further north than you (55 degrees latitude) so the sun is much weaker than where you are and in winter its only light from 8:30am to 3:30pm; plus in summer as the grass is so green and lush I have him out muzzled overnight, but stabled with hay during the day. However, from what you and others are saying it sounds like its unlikely to be his lack of sight causing this. 
--
Kate Bayley, Newcastle upon Tyne, 2021


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Cindy,

Were she mine I'd change her over now. Nancy shared a story on Friday about stopping NSAIDs with her horse and how much better he was afterwards and you may find the same with Saraphina.




Re: Hay Analysis - Fergus

Jennifer Green
 

His owner is just concerned with nutrition if we soak the hay. 
--
J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Grass to plant

Brenda Gasch Mittelstadt
 

Sorry gang. I see there is a housekeeping forum for things like this. I shall search that out!! Thank you for etiquette info. 
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-Brenda

September 2020, Dodgeville WI USA

Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brenda%20and%20Stormy/Stormy%20and%20Brenda  .
Stormy Photo Album

 


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Hi Lavinia 
Philip was just here followed your mark ups .It went well!

Thank you so much!
--
Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Sherry,
Thank you I will keep this in mind.Saraphina did pretty good, we kept her on shavings with opposite boot on. He commented on how much better she looked from last time he saw her.Things are looking up! Just working on getting her off Equioxx, I have her on half a tablet now do you think I can stop and put her on photoquench/ devils claw? 
--
Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Hay Analysis - Fergus

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jennifer,

Is there any reason to think the other pony might have an issue with the soaked hay? I'm trying to think of ways you can approach this that will help Fergus.  We've fed soaked hay to every horse in the barn in the winter 'just because' with no ill effects so I'm not sure but that might be a better way to approach this?




Re: Hay Analysis - Fergus

Jennifer Green
 

Yes it’s because he lives out 24/7 with another pony and won’t be caught by anyone besides “mom”. The other pony he lives out with doesn’t need hay soaked so neither of them get it soaked at breakfast. I don’t own the other pony he lives so I’m limited on what things I can change as it relates to the other pony’s food. It for sure makes things more difficult. Given the option between soaked or dry hay, Fergus will opt for dry about 50% of the time and soaked for about 50% of the time. 
--
J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Cyndi,

Just a suggestion although it's not going to work for today.  We have a horse that needs to be medicated for the farrier to work on him at my former farm.  I was just in touch with his trimmer about what she's now using instead of Dorm and it's this product: https://www.wellpetdispensary.com/for-dogs/hemprx/.  They do 1 dropper in feed 2 hours before she arrives and then she puts another dropper on his gums before she starts working on him. 

For him it's been a game changer because he was very unstable with the Dorm but using the HempRx he's calm and able to stand for the trimming and casting.  She will also put high density foam under the opposite front foot as well to help with his comfort level while he's being trimmed. How well that works of course depends on what's sore on the horse in question but just some other ideas for helping get Saraphina's feet done.




Re: Saraphina new rads, help Lavinia

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Lavinia,
Thank you so, so much! Farrier is on his way!
--
Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021

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