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Re: Updated Case History - New Hay Analysis

Sherry Morse
 

Do you know if this hay was tested via NIR or Wet Chem?  As it has alfalfa in it I wouldn't consider feeding it to an IR horse and if the testing was done via NIR I definitely would not feed it without soaking as it might well be over 10% ESC+starch.




Re: New member, New rescue horse

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jackie,

What Rose experienced in the spring was possibly sub-clinical laminitis where the horse is sore but nobody seems to realize there's actually a problem going on.  Any insulin level over 80 puts a horse into the danger zone for laminitis so given her lab results there's a good chance that's what happened.  Abscessing following the lameness episode also points to it actually being laminitis, as does your description of her x-rays.

The sooner you can get a case history done for her and photos posted the sooner we'll be able to help you more.  How tall is she? What is her ideal weight?

It would be helpful for us if you can get her test results from last spring as well as the ones from the next test.  If she's not in work that could explain some of the loss of muscle, but again it could be PPID related as well.

The list of acceptable commercial balancers is for situations (like boarding) where doing a custom mix isn't possible.  Mg is dosed at 1.5g per 500lbs - this information is on the website at https://www.ecirhorse.org/DDT+E-diet.php.  Flax provides the correct balance of fatty acids that a horse needs.  It is not a bad fat. 

Insulinwise isn't replaced by any other product unless a horse's insulin does not decrease through correct diet and exercise if possible.  If the insulin remains high medical options include metformin or Invokana if metformin doesn't work.  Step one for any horse though is getting the diet in order.




Re: Checking in and with some interesting info to share

 

December would be a great time to do bloodwork.  And then maybe again in late July, before the rise starts.  That way you’d have a few more data points to help you keep track.  One caution, though.  Take care to do the blood draw first thing, before the other procedures.  I’ve had dental work increase my horse’s ACTH. 
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: BIG Decisions Needed

anne@...
 

The vet's plan (i now clarified with a clear mind) is to take Nemo in clinic and run oxytetracycline for 3-5 days to treat any infection that may be there and help create elasticity in the tendon.  After that, if there is success, work on his rotation.
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Anne Leighty
Freeport, Michigan
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anne%20and%20Nemo
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258573


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

The best boots are the ones that fit her. Best pads are the ones she finds most comfortable. You're going to need to experiment.The Soft Rides or Easycare Clouds have the most forgiving fit. If you use Soft RIdes, you'll need to cut the pads so they are level rather than wedged as they don't squish down and she doesn't need any type of wedging.

Due to the sinking, many of the riding/working boots are likely not going to fit well as she needs a lot more overall hoof capsule height than a healthy foot needs just to have enough to encase the bony column completely. Definitely not in favor of shoes of any type as that's just going to suspend her completely from her already-damaged lamina.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

 

Nicole,
Wow on getting the trim done! Boots and padding are highly individual. I like the ease of applying Easyboot Clouds but pads were a constant changing problem for my horse.  I suggest getting a few different ones to try, including different thicknesses of flat pads. My horse hated thick pads, probably couldn’t tolerate steady pressure on the frog. It ended up that Carvallo gel pads - thin, flat pads - worked best for her. So keep an open mind. Strawberry will let you know. And what works for 5 days may not work for the next 5 days. 
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Rescue Horse. Lavinia / Dr. Kellon can you tell us your opinion on these x-rays and blood work/meds?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Paola,

Are there new radiographs available? All I see in the album are the ones from before. If there were new ones done, were they done after the trim or before? Is it possible to get even a few pictures of what his feet look like now?

Sorry, more questions than answers.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: BIG Decisions Needed

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Bone infections are very difficult to treat. They are the #1 cause of amputations in people. To attempt treatment there must be surgery to remove all the compromised bone followed by a long course of intravenous antibiotics (has to be intravenous).  Surgery plus implantation of antibiotic beads may be an option.  Problem with surgery is removing abnormal bone may leave next to nothing.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

Maxine McArthur
 

Nicole, I found Easyboot Sneakers to be a difficult boot to get on and off. Both Easyboot Clouds and Soft Rides are designed as rehab boots, so are easier to apply to a horse that is having trouble holding their feet up. I’ve only used Clouds, as we don’t have Soft Rides here, but they worked for my mare. Many horses do seem to like the pads in the Clouds. 
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Rescue Horse. Lavinia / Dr. Kellon can you tell us your opinion on these x-rays and blood work/meds?

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

He has been starved and his feet neglected for a long time but there is no reason to think a young stallion would have metabolic/hormonal issues. To know for sure you need to test insulin and ACTH.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Updated photos - Lavinia can you comments on today’s trim?

Rita Chavez
 

Hi Trisha, thanks! His attitude is SO much better. Fixing his diet, losing a lot of weight and getting his feet back on game has been nothing but positive for him. He’s back to his perky, playful self! 

His crest is smaller, softer, but not squishy. I’m guessing more exercise with riding will take care of that. Hand walking only does so much and his stride is bigger than mine LOL. 




--
Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Rescue Horse. Lavinia / Dr. Kellon can you tell us your opinion on these x-rays and blood work/meds?

 

Hello everyone. I have just updated Condado’s X-rays and blood work. He is a 11yo PRE stallion. He was shoed last Tuesday but we are waiting to move him to our facilities to take the correct pictures for the next trim. 


Dr. Kellon can you tell me your opinion on the X-rays and blood work? (He was eating beet pulp, alfalfa, wheat and oats -no forage- before we met him. Now he has been eating ad-lib meadow hay and the correct intake of salt for one week. Blood work taken this Tuesday.)

Also, the vet has prescribed him ASPIRINE, GABAPENTIN and HEMOVAS. What do you think Dr. Kellon?

Lavinia what do you think about the X-rays?

He is in a good mood, eating, and moving better after the farrier.

Thank you for your time.
--
Paola R. Monagas

Canary Islands, Gran Canaria, Spain
September 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=267828


Re: Updated photos - Lavinia can you comments on today’s trim?

Rita Chavez
 

Many thanks, Lavinia! No ma’am, not touching any sole. I’ll take more toe off each week for sure and post more progress pics next month. I see that high wall on RF now and will address it tonight. So, I don’t need to worry about that blood-stained bulge under P3? It’s very hard to the touch, not spongy or loose at all. 

My sincerest gratitude to this entire group!!! I don’t know where we’d be now if I hadn’t found ya’ll. I’m learning so much here every day. You saved my horse with REAL helpful information. Thank you, thank you. 




--
Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Re: Updated photos - Lavinia can you comments on today’s trim?

Rita Chavez
 

Hi Sherry, thank you. His crest is much softer that in June. It has gone down a little. But I can’t call it “squishy”. I’m not taking anything off his soles. Just rasping hoof walls to re-level them and keep about 1/4” all around for some support. We’re very lucky to have soft sand where we live and it cups his feet. I’m diligently working on those toes! My instinct is to go slowly, remove a bit more each week and watch how he’s moving. I have now reached the white line on both front toes and removed about an inch so far. Honestly I’m looking forward to new rads! 




--
Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Re: Checking in and with some interesting info to share

Rita Chavez
 

Hi Martha and thank you for the comments and questions. Yes, his attitude is greatly improved! I can tell that his low energy and almost depressed attitude from last year to June this year wasn’t due to aging or normal “only horse” syndrome  but was in direct response to his reaction to being fed too much alfalfa. He gained so much weight and I was blind to it. I just knew he really loved the alfalfa and I was happy it made him happy. WRONG on so many levels. As for his huge drop in insulin in the first 30-days I can only guess it’s because I dropped his feeding plan and switched immediately. I started soaking Timothy hay AND put him in a muzzle for turn out. Other than him showing signs of ouchy feet there was nothing unusual that would spike his insulin to <200. My vet said he was not a candidate for pergolide as his bloodwork didn’t indicate high ACTH. He’s not showing any signs of responding negatively to the Fall rise. Last year I noticed “weird” things going on with him. And he’s sweating normally this year unlike last year when he suddenly developed anhydrosis. I strongly suspect Jiaogulan in his diet helps with that, too. He’s due for a dental workup in December and I plan to get a 6-months xray checkup on his front feet at that time. Should I also do bloodwork for insulin and ACTH then? 
--
Rita C. and Stetson (2001 Tennessee Walking Horse/Gelding, diagnosed IR)
Aiken, South Carolina USA
June 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=265166 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rita%20C.%20and%20Stetson


Re: BIG Decisions Needed

Bobbie Day
 

Anne
As you probably know I had to make this decision two months ago, sometimes it seems like forever since I’ve given her a hug, heard her whinny or simply just able to love on her. And the pain is still raw, but I know in my heart that I made the right one for her, and I’m sure most of the group knew it was in our future no one, absolutely no one told me that they thought it was time. Just like no one will tell you, we’re here for each other always, you have so many shoulders with you. You will need to make the decision that’s best for you and your horse. All the vets in the world will give you good advice and sometimes bad as we know, but as hard as it is it’s your burden and I’m so very sorry your in this position.
It’s not a easy one and I’m sure your beyond devastated and I pray you will be at peace with whatever decision you make.
Hugs
Bobbie


--
Bobbie and Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21)
Utah, Nov 2019
NRC Plus 2020 , NAT , C&IR March 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

Nicole
 

She is pretty sore yet, she hasn't moved much. I wonder if I should try putting the thick black pads back in again instead of the wool felt that is in there... but I think she is done with us messing with her sore feet for a bit. We adjusted the breakover on her boots back further than I had it too. 

I need to get a new pair of boots for her and was wondering what kind/Brand might be best? I bought a pair of Easyboot Sneakers, but they seemed really tight on her heel bulbs. What about getting her in Easyboot Gloves? Soft rides? Farrier mentioned putting her in a wooden clog that he would build, or a natural balance shoe?? 

Ps. I added a couple hind pics from today as well. 
--
Nicole P
2021, Minnesota 

Case History: Strawberry Case History

Photo album: Strawberry Photo Album


Re: BIG Decisions Needed

anne@...
 

Thanks to Sherry, the case history is now in the right place.  We are stretching his leg and to try and help with the tendon.  What about an antibiotic injection into the bone?  
--
Anne Leighty
Freeport, Michigan
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anne%20and%20Nemo
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258573


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Nice job on the trim, really got the toes backed up perfectly and the alignment looks to be spot-on.

What does Strawberry think?

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Strawberry new rads :( (Currently in extreme discomfort)

Nicole
 

I posted Strawberry's front post-trim photos to her album. 
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Nicole P
2021, Minnesota 

Case History: Strawberry Case History

Photo album: Strawberry Photo Album

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