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Hay Analysis

Karen Turner
 

I just added a hay analysis on the same hay that I had another company analyze....very different results!  I tend to go with the Equi-Analytical report being more correct and since I did sample about 12-14 bales, it is also a more accurate representation of the same hay.  There are two headings with two columns each. One is As Sampled % and g/lb. There is also a Dry Matter column with the same subheadings, the values of those are nearly identical to the As Sampled Column.  There is also Ca, P, Mg, K, Na, Fe, Zn, Cu, Mn, and Mo values. If I am reading the report correctly, Protein is 11.9%, Starch 1.5%, and ESC 2.0.  So, at 3.5% NSC, it should be suitable for a PPID horse who is also IR, correct?

If so, then how do I feed it with her Timothy Cubes? Half and half by weight?
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Karen M and Montana Rose in TX 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Karen%20and%20Montana

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=267866


Re: Coronary Bandy Dystrophy and Cushings

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Rose,

You'll get a full welcome letter shortly but did you get the actual numbers back from your vet for insulin, glucose and ACTH or just a 'don't worry, it's normal' message? Were the insulin and glucose tests done fasting or non-fasting?  What test did yo have done to determine if he was PPID?

The fact that he has been having hoof issues would lead me to wonder if he's been PPID longer than you've known than he is, but that's neither here nor there - all you can do is manage him moving forward.




Coronary Bandy Dystrophy and Cushings

hollander8282@...
 

My horse has been battling coronary band dystrophy (cbd) since 2014 and is on 500mg of prednisolone mon, wed, fri to keep at bay.  He just had his annual vet visit and he tested positive for Cushing, insulin and glucose are both normal.  He was last tested in 2018.  He is a 19 yo Dutch warmblood gelding, living in Pennsylvania and gets 1 lb of buckeye grow n win balancer, Timothy/orchard grass hay, cal trace plus, 5000 iu smartpak smart & simple vitamin e and cosequin with msn, currently turned out at night and stalled during the day and now on prascend.  

The reason I requested the test be done as there was a significant event line (his hooves are all lines from the cbd, but these are more significant) that correlated with the switch to night turnout and another about the same distance apart, no other ppid symptoms. The vet does not think the event line are sugar related, but more dew/wetness related.  Other than the cbd causing the soft mushy sometime infected heels and frogs he has not had any other lameness, he is tender on rocks.  The cbd tends to flare up in beginning of August almost every year and clears up mostly by January.  

My vet also told me there was no need to change diet as he is not IR and the prascend is all required.  From what I have read on the ecir website I don’t think that is the case?…Also the test was done the end of August, which it says not to do, but I think that is just for the potential of a false negative?  Since it came positive that is not an issue, is that correct?

Thank you in advance for any advice. 
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Rose Michele in Bucks County, PA
Joined in 2021


Re: Cupcake on Invokana/Newbie

Jennifer Murphy
 

Carla, Flea is a pet so his only work is making me happy.  He's been on Invokana since January and we still had some ups and downs since then.  I've been battling his laminitis and insulin flare ups for about four years now, and being directed to this group is what finally turned things around.

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Jennifer in NH
2020

CH - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jennifer%20and%20Flea

Photo album - https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=251041&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0


Re: Cupcake on Invokana/Newbie

 

Hi, Carla.  My horse has been getting Invokana since February 2021. All the details are in Cayuse's case history. If you search messages for Invokana, you will find posts by members who have been treating their horses with Invokana since 2019.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Now: Member Recommended Professionals Lists - 09/13/2021 #cal-notice

Nancy C
 
Edited

The joys of finding dead links.  Thank you Deborah and Sara for your comments.

My recollections is that the vet list was set up by a now-departed volunteer, and it was never sufficiently populated, hence no spread sheet.

Sara, I will have a look at the FB group you mention. While Pete's group is archived, it is still searchable and provides a glimpse into how various trimmers approach things. The list here is to provide hoof professional recommendations that may be able to trim the equine in question. Does the new(er) FB group have a list of members who are open to new and perhaps difficult business?

Deborah, the ECIR group would suggest and prefer that vet recommendations go privately, so if you'd like to post here that it is okay to have members contact you privately with recs, please open a new topic to do so.

You may have seen these lists:
https://www.paequinedirectory.com/veterinarians
https://www.newhorse.com/page/equinevet/b.2003.g.38.html?page=1


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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021

Recordings of the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference released to attendees 09.03.21.
Veterinary Professional CE certification hours submitted to AAVSB Race 09.08.21


Re: Cupcake on Invokana/Newbie

Carla Anderson Peters
 

Hello Cass,
I sincerely appreciate your response! I will work on that.  How long have you been using Invokana?
Thank you!!
Carla
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Carla

 

December 2013, WI

Cupcake and Gunnar's Case Histories 

Cupcake's Photos

Gunnar's Photos 

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Re: Cupcake on Invokana/Newbie

Carla Anderson Peters
 

Jennifer,
Thank you for replying, and putting my mind at ease!!  Is your little one back into some form of work?  How long have you been using Invokana?
Thank you!!

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Carla

 

December 2013, WI

Cupcake and Gunnar's Case Histories 

Cupcake's Photos

Gunnar's Photos 

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Re: Now: Member Recommended Professionals Lists - 09/13/2021 #cal-notice

debost@...
 

Right - I was looking for the list of recommended vets - I found the hoof list.  Where is the vet list?
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Deborah Ostrofsky
Year of joining: 2021
Location: Northwestern Pa


Re: Anhidrosis and itchiness

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

You can safely give antihistamines but making sure ACTH is controlled may be more productive. Also have her checked carefully for lice. They're easy to miss.

Coolstance is the worst possible oil for omegas, having virtually none. It's borderline safe on carbs, too high in fat and has an unfavorable amino acid profile. Go to flax.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Anhidrosis and itchiness

Sherry Morse
 

I'd suggest checking ACTH levels of both mares as they may not be controlled on the current dose of Prascend. We also do not usually recommend Coolstance for IR horses - https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/218254.  You might see better results with flax if you're looking to get the proper Omega ratio. 



Re: Anhidrosis and itchiness

 

Hi Trudy,
I don’t see any recent bloodwork in your case history files.  From what I can tell, your mare, Ani, was tested positive for PPID in fall of 2019.  You began treating her with 1 mg of pergolide but have not tested since. So, you don’t really know if 1 mg of pergolide was enough to manage her PPID at that point, nor do you know if you’re giving enough pergolide to treat this progressive disease several years later.
Anhydrosis often comes with PPID but I don’t think that it always goes away with adequate PPID treatment.  The itchiness, though, might well disappear with more pergolide.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Anhidrosis and itchiness

Trudyadams@...
 

Two of my Hanoverian mares who have Cushings developed Anhidrosis suddenly this Summer in mid July. They had never displayed this problem before.  Suggestions besides keeping them in under fans during the heat of the day.  Also one of the mares has had itchiness which she has had for over a year now.  It doesn't seem to be a normal seasonal allergy or sweet itch.  I know Cushings can cause the skin to be dry but have her on Coolstance which is a safe way to give her Omega for skin in her diet. My Veterinarian suggested Zyrtec or Ceritizine , 10 tablets twice a day.  I was wondering if this was the best way to treat and can she stay on this antihistamine year round as the itchiness was occurring last year in the Winter.  I do a trace clip on all 3 of my mares to help with sweating when working them in the Winter.  I do blanket at night when in their stalls and put sheets when turning them out during the day if it is colder than 40 degrees.  Thanks
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Trudy Adams SC 2019
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Trudy%20and%20Ani


Re: Proven Equine "Chelated" Minerals

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Some of the more familiar uses for the montmorillonate clay in this product is as an anticaking agent or kitty litter.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Unresponsive insulin resistance

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 
Edited

They can get you an exact number by diluting the sample before running it.  For example, if it's diluted in half and the result is 150, the result is 300. This can be helpful when tracking response to treatment but all assays lose some accuracy at the upper end of the spectrum so don't get too hung up on the number.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Pet Health Pharmacy

Laura Risley
 

No worries Erica!   It’s a name I hold near and dear to my heart! 😊
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Laura Risley, PharmD
Pharmacist at Avrio Pharmacy (Pet Health division)
Owner of Bo and Sid
Phoenix, AZ 
Joined 2021


Re: Unresponsive insulin resistance

Nicole
 

LJ, 
What do you mean when you say "ask vet to request exact number if >200"... You can do that?!? Why wouldn't they just tell you that in the first place! So if the vet asks Cornell, they can get an exact number?
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Nicole P
2021, Minnesota 

Case History: Strawberry Case History

Photo album: Strawberry Photo Album


Re: Magni - Cloud boots and hoof alignment

 

Hi, Kathy.
As you know, the best boot is the one that fits Magni. Definitely try the fixes suggested by Easycare. They know their stuff. I have a gaited horse who twists her Clouds just as soon as she starts moving around with enough comfort to move faster than a slow, careful walk. Nothing helped me keep those boots straight. She didn't like extra padding. I ended up with a pair of Easyboot Trails to get a closer fit. I made sure the trim was as tight as possible before measuring. They are easy on and off, can take a bit of padding, don't twist if well-fitted and work as a nice template after you get a good, compact trim in place. If the toes get too long, you'll have to rasp them back to get the Easyboot Trails on. Like the Clouds, you'll need to rasp the breakover in the sole of the boot.
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Magni - Cloud boots and hoof alignment

K Hanneson
 

I've been using Easyboot Clouds with Magni for a few weeks now and notice that he is consistently rotating the LF counter-clockwise in the boot.  If I put them on straight, after a short while the centre back is pointed about 1/2" medially.  I've posted a photo in my album:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photo/266135/3302292?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0  The yellow sticker is the centre, the blue marking to the left is where the frog ends up.  I tried starting fresh with a new insert but the same thing happened.  This only happens on the left, the RF stays pretty straight.
  
I'm wondering if there is some way to stabilize the insert inside the boot or if I should just let it go where it wants to go.  I called the company and the person I spoke with suggested putting a sock on his LF to snug it up a bit (didn't work) or to wedge something between the insert and the sides of the boot to keep it in place.  I haven't tried this yet, I thought I'd check here first. Unless I can keep his foot centred in the boot, I'm also wondering if I should adjust the breakover bevel somehow.  

Any thoughts/suggestions appreciated!  Thank you!

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Kathy H in ON 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathy%20and%20Magni

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=266135


Proven Equine "Chelated" Minerals

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

For those of you who saw the post about Proven Equine minerals before I deleted it, after reading that page I feel obligated to respond.

This product is a bucket of dirt, specifically clay. It is in no way, shape or form a treatment for laminitis or anything else. It should be used to make a poultice, not fed to your horse.  This clay can adsorb positively charged minerals but that is not the same thing as chelation. The levels of the nutritionally important minerals in this product are ridiculously low. Caveat emptor.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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