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Re: Sore post trim

Lamourah Perron
 

Thanks so much Lorna!
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Lamourah Perron 
Queens Bay British Columbia 
Hoof pictures Sept 2021


Re: Sore post trim

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lamourah,

Go here in our Files
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/6%20Diet%20Balancing

Scroll down to Hay Balancing

People don't have to be in your area (or even in Canada) to balance your hay,if that was a concern for you.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Seasonal Rise and allergies

vicky monen
 

Hi,

My IR/Cushings boy seems to be having severe itchiness during the seasonal rise.  He deals with sweet itch and possibly neck thread worms. (I do the ivermectim treament every to 3 to 4 weeks starting spring and into summer if needed). He did well during spring and most of the summer, but suddenly  now he is itching again terribly bad.  Is there any correlation with bug allergies during the seasonal rise?  We do have no see ums here in Ga and I know that they bother my guy pretty bad.  He is up to 1.5 mg of pracend 1 x day. 

How does the correct prascend dose affect allergies, or does it?

Can an IR horse have cough ease? 

How much benedryl or zyrtec can be given to a  1000lb IR horse (dosage and brand)? 

I am currently waiting on my lab results from last week to see where his insulin and acth levels are currently at.  I am planning to increase the prascend to the 2pills 1x a day. My understanding is that increasing the prascend during the rise may not be effective compared to before the rise.   FYI, my guys ACTH is always in the low to normal range, as he is early cushings.  Our insulin is usually the issue we are constantly battling.  

Trying to give this guy some comfort from the extreme  itching!  Starting desitin/vicks/zims mix topically.  Trying to figure out what anti-histamine or close to it, is safe for him for these allergies.   
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Vicky Monen and Samson

Aug 2015, Alpharetta Ga.

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1226

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Vicky%20and%20Samson


Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Kim Leitch
 

My friend is going to join the group, but gave me permission to post to get a quick answer.
16 yo Quarter Horse, pregnant for the first time foundered a few days ago. Several vets and people have told her that she must abort the foal to save the mare, is this correct information or can the foal be saved, too?

She is starting her on the emergency diet today and getting her toes backed up. Styrofoam going on her feet today.
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Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Dually: IR; Grits and Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related)

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314

Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Dually https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9046&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Bella https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64978




Re: Coronary Bandy Dystrophy and Cushings

hollander8282@...
 

Hi Candace,

Thank you for the welcome.  I am reviewing everything you sent me, but I have a few questions.  I did just create Vesper's own case history, I am not sure I entered the bloodwork results correctly.  Diet wise, the only ration balancer I should be giving him is the CalTrac plus?  He is not overweight, do I add calories through hay and beet pulp, can I add hay cubes?  Vesper currently gets cosequin with MSM, from the do not feed list I see MSM and glucosamine.  My vet said he was not insulin resistant, just positive for ppid, should I stop the cosequin?  I did notice an improvement with arthritis after starting.  Sorry, last question, where I board the hay is from the same supplier, but not always from the same field, cutting or even farm, so I cant really test the hay, how do I balance minerals?  Thanks in advance for any input.
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Rose Michele in Bucks County, PA
Joined in 2021
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Files
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Sore post trim

Lamourah Perron
 

Hi Lorna
I am looking at finding someone who will take my hat analysis and then balance the minerals to the hay with EMS in mind.
I was hoping that they would be affiliated with this site as I did believe that this site has the best knowledge regarding such conditions.
So, I believe we are on the same page. I am new to navigating this website and could not find any recommendations for a nutritionist.

Cheers
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Lamourah Perron 
Queens Bay British Columbia 
Hoof pictures Sept 2021


Vaccines with Sedation

Claire Gilmore
 

Is there any reason - proven or theoretical - that a horse with uncontrolled insulin should not receive vaccines (core only) contemporaneously with a sedative (Dormosedan, fingers crossed) for a dental exam/float?  

The vet tech assures me it's perfectly safe, and I've been told the actual vet does not make phone calls, so I can't ask him that, or if he'll allow the vet tech to perform the exam without sedation.

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Claire Gilmore
Nacogdoches, TX 
joined 3/28/2019
Case history folder: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Claire%20G%20and%20horses
Photo album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=88371


Re: Coronary Bandy Dystrophy and Cushings

hollander8282@...
 

Hi Maria,

Thank you for the reply, I thought there would be a slim chance anyone else on here having experience with cbd, let alone a treatment that worked in two different horses!  I have spent countless hours looking for cases with positive outcomes and have never found any.  I will definitely be sharing this with my vet and look forward to all the info here to start the healing process from the ppid.  
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Rose Michele in Bucks County, PA
Joined in 2021
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Files


Re: Sore post trim

Lorna Cane
 

Hi Lamourah,

There may be, I'm not sure.
Just want to say,though,that more than 20 years ago I became aware , with my herd of 9, that my nutritional knowledge was minimal. I researched,and searched ,and bought books,and bought products,and talked to more nutritionists,and bought more products/feeds,and so on.
The more I studied,the less I knew.
The more people I talked to,the more questions I had. And the more frustrated I got.
Eventually one of my boys was diagnosed with IR/PPID. ( that became 7 as years passed).It was the best thing that could have happened,in its own way,because now my search included IR/PPID,and FINALLY I found this group,and Dr. Kellon.

This will sound biased,but I'm as old as dirt , and have covered a lot of ground ,trying to keep my boys well. You will have trouble finding a better source of equine nutrition than Dr. Kellon,and students trained by her.
"Speak as FACT only what you KNOW to be true."
Lots of science-backed advice, lots of validation provided by test results, and clinical signs of our horses, no marketing .
As all of us, want to learn about what else is going on, but I always rely on what I learn here,as being tried and true.
I'm not alone,as you can tell,by reading through the messages. There are over 9,000 members here,some posting, some following along as needed.

Hoping this isn't seen as a shameless plug. Just trying to save you some grief/frustration on your journey.
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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Posting case history

Chris Hanson
 

Hi,
My horse’s case history is not completed but I’ve updated my operating system and updating Word is taking longer than I’d hoped.
Can I post what I have and work on the rest of the case history with it up online?

Thanks,
Chris H. with Woody
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Chris H in CA 2021


Re: Sore post trim

Lamourah Perron
 

Hi Kristen
I am wondering if there is a list of equine nutritionists in Western Canada anywhere on the site?

Thanks
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Lamourah Perron 
Queens Bay British Columbia 
Hoof pictures Sept 2021


Re: New Body and Hoof Photos Added and Case History Updated

Cindy Q
 

Hi Karen

I have given a headsup to Lavinia that you uploaded hoof pictures and were looking for trim input. I did not realise you had updated as was checking back the original thread for awhile.

In the meantime, you might want to study these 2 articles from Pete Ramey and practice getting a measurement of the depths of your horse's collateral grooves: 
https://hoofrehab.com/HorsesSole.html
https://hoofrehab.com/HeelHeight.html

Where the sole flattens near the toe usually indicates a thinner than ideal sole. You will read more about both in the 2 articles.

Beautiful mare and happy she's feeling better.
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Cindy and Glow (over the rainbow bridge) - Sep 2017, Singapore
ECIR Primary Response





Re: Rose update

Thurstonjs@...
 

Thank you, Cass! I will get some ordered.
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose


Re: Rose update

Thurstonjs@...
 

Hi Maxine,


Yes, the vet blood first. Rose wasn't sedated but blood was drawn prior to shots. My other horse was sedated but blood was drawn first before shots and sedation.

Thank you for asking to make sure!
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose


Re: New Body and Hoof Photos Added and Case History Updated

 

If you’d like a review of the trim, start a new thread with a title like Request for hoof mark-ups. Lavinia will then know you’re looking for comments on the trim. Moderators don’t review new photos as a general rule. We look for messages on this forum. That way all members can learn with you. 

One suggestion. Many of us non-hoof professionals can see the hoof more clearly if we trim the coronary band. I am always fooled by the length of my own horse’s toes when I see what the camera sees at ground level with the coronet fully visible. 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Rose update

 

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 10:33 AM, <Thurstonjs@...> wrote:

The CA Plus has 1950iu Vitamin E. Do I still need to supplement the Vitamin E?
Yes, Jackie, you do still need to supplement Vitamin E. To be absorbed, it should be either (1) freshly combined with oil or in a gel cap or formula containing oil, or (2) one of the micellized forms like Emcelle or NanoE. If you search messages for Vitamin E, you’ll find lots of recent discussions about the options. 
 
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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Rose update

Maxine McArthur
 

Hi Jackie
Just wanted to check that the vet drew blood *before* dental exams and other handling? If not, that can skew the results, particularly if sedation is used for the dentals.
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Laminitis

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Yvette,

Do you have the actual test results for the various tests that have been done? Was Molly treated for Lyme?  If so, when was that and have you had her titers checked after treatment?  Is Molly currently on Prascend or Pergolide?  If she was on medication when she was tested in February she wouldn't be negative for PPID but her ACTH level might show that her PPPID was being controlled. 

As her current soreness started in the same time frame as the fall rise it sounds like her ACTH is not well controlled with Prascend (if she's on it) or she's in need of a dosage adjustment (if she is being medicated).  Having the vet pull blood now can be tricky but at least would give you some guidance on where she's at right now.

If you can post current trim pictures and any x-rays you have we'll be able to advise you on her trim.  If she's sore, as already mentioned, you should not be making her move.  If she's comfortable moving in her area to get hay and water that's fine but no forced exercise at this point. 

If she's IR and/or PPID you need to remove the triggers to help her feel better - that could mean changing her diet and/or medication - we'll be able help you sort that out once you have a case history done.



Re: New Body and Hoof Photos Added and Case History Updated

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Karen,

With the volume of email we have on the group if you're looking for specific insight into a current trim or change in a case history it's best to ask in the subject of the email.




Re: Desmosphyrine?

Sherry Morse
 

Rita here are a few signs that it's a lot of hooey - lots of mumbo jumbo language, no actual research to back it up, and extremely high priced 'miracle cure'.



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