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Question about Seasonal Rise Coat Changes

Sarah Orlofske
 

Hello All, 

I know I have to update my case history from our bloodwork in July, but it has been grueling at work and promise I will catch up soon - hopefully this weekend! But I have a question I am hoping to get some help with for Bullitt and Kate. 

This is our first year monitoring for the seasonal rise. We had blood work in late July. Kate was at 50.4 pg/mL ACTH (Ref 2-35)  and Bullitt was at 32.4. Both were on 1 tab of Prascend. After the recommendations I received here, I gradually got them up to 1.5 tablets for Bullitt and 2 for Kate. I believe things are going well over all with their health, especially Kate who shows many more symptoms than Bullitt and those are now under control. However, Bullitt has never had any issues shedding out despite probably being PPID for a while. Kate has all kinds of shedding problems and we had to shave her this spring. Now I have noticed Bullitt is not growing in his winter coat at all and Kate has been, although it it is not outrageously wooly like it has been in the past. I am just looking to see what is "normal". We have really bad winters here and I am concerned about him not growing a thick of enough coat? Since this is our first year with them on Prascend I don't have a good baseline. Is it possible that Bullitt still needs to move up to a higher dose or is the dose too high and preventing the coat from growing in? Or is Kate needing a higher dose if she is growing in winter coat too early? These are our only two horses and I have been "trained" that minis typically look like sheep in the winter, so maybe I am just not used to what a "normal" winter coat is? 

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated as always! 
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Sarah O. 
Rudolph, WI
2020


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Cindy Giovanetti
 

Oh, I’m so sorry!

 

Cindy

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Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125


Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Sue Ring
 

Hey Suzanne,

A product called Beet-E-Bites Equipockets works great for us.  My horse LOVES the peppermint and the apple flavors and they are manufactured specifically for IR/PPID horses so you know they are safe.    https://beetebites.com/
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Sue R in NC 2021

CASE HISTORY:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Shifty

PHOTO FILES: 


 


what's next

nikkibob1994@...
 

Darby is going through a laminitic episode, no change in circumstances. Negative for Lymes, ACTH is 28.8 and his last insulin was 50.
Darby started Metformin 3 days ago, still waiting for the Prascend (as per Dr. Kellon's recommendation). How soon should I be seeing an effect from it?, My vet said she wanted to test his insulin again in 7 days after reading on the ECIR site that we should. , but I thought it was not wise to test insulin when the animal is stressed? Which he is from his ongoing bout of laminitis.
 I also bought a glucometer, but am unsure when to test, when is the best time to get the appropriate sugar reading? 
I know it has been  repeatedly said that IR horses will not start feeling better until the insulin is controlled and that NSAID's like bute are useless. BUT, every day for the last week he has been unable to walk out of his stall in the morning until I have given him bute (2 grams) and within an hour or so he is visibly more comfortable, less stressed and happy to walk outside( from a deep bedded stall and he wears boots 24/7). Could this be something else I am dealing with?
Nikkibob1994
Wisconsin, Sept 2018

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Kim Leitch
 

There was no heartbeat on the ultrasound; they are aborting the foal.

Sherry,
I don't know how she signed up, because when she logs in it asks fo a password. She clicks the forgot password link, a box comes up and says an email has been sent to get a new password. She never gets an email.
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Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Dually: IR; Grits and Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related)

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314

Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Dually https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9046&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Bella https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64978




Re: Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 

Thank you, I hope I did this correctly. I need to name some xrays and delete duplicates. I will start a new thread but meanwhile, could someone look at her xrays when time permits? She has had 2 trims so far, backing toe.
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


Re: Uploading xrays

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jackie,

X-rays would go into a photo folder along with any other pictures you have of Rose.  To do that go to https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/photos and click on the link that says "New Album" and name it "Jackie and Rose".  Please label any photos as outlined in the Wiki: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1482#Photos-and-Hoof-Evaluation-Help



Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Suzanne,

When exactly was the bloodwork done? Were he mine given that we are already in the fall rise period I would titrate him up to 1mg and keep him on that for at least the rise and then recheck his level while on the medication in January.  To titrate up you would want to do 1/4 of a tab for 3 days, 1/2 tab for 3 days, 3/4 of a tab for 3 days and then 1 tab.  You can retest in 3 weeks after reaching the target dose to see if it's effective if you choose to not wait until January. 

To be sure he gets the actual dosage he should be given the pill either by syringe with water or in a high value treat.  It should NOT be dumped in with supplements or grain and just assumed that it's being eaten.




Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 

Hi, to upload xrays, do I create another folder or file within the case history folder? Thank you.
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose


Re: seasonal rise complications part two- Laminitis?

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Trisha,

You might want to consider Mov-Ease, Phyto-Quench, Devil's Claw or HA to help with the arthritis as those are some pretty significant changes IMO. Is she better in boots than without them?




Re: seasonal rise complications part two- Laminitis?

Trisha DePietro
 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/Pain%20Medication%20and%20Alternatives/DOXYCYCLINE%20FOR%20JOINTS.pdf--
Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Re: seasonal rise complications part two- Laminitis?

Trisha DePietro
 

Thanks Kirsten. Since my post I have added her lateral xrays to her photo album...I see arthritis...low ringbone? No bloodwork results yet.  The end of the short pastern as it is seated into the coffin bone looks  a little strange to me...is it technique or actual joint changes?  This is the first time I have xrayed her feet despite numerous "lameness" evals over the years...Lyme titers are always "negative". Just finished reading Dr. Kellons article on the use of low dose doxy on joint pain in horses...very interesting...it was written awhile ago...so not sure if anything has changed on that front?  As I think about what would be the best pain relief in her scenario? Icing her pasterns for the arthritis and increasing the prascend....for now.
Trisha DePietro
Aug 2018
NH
Dolly and Hope's Case Histories
Dolly's Photos 
Hope's Photos 
Primary Responder


Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

So Pilgrim is showing level of ACTH from mid to late summer at 15.1 H.  pmol/L.  Not sure at all what this all means. My vet has suggested starting at 1/2 foil sealed tablet daily for 1 month and increase to full tablet with a recheck of ACTH levels in 3 months and 6 months after that unless otherwise needed. 

I will get around to updating my profile for Pilgrim. Just panicking a bit about this as it came as a surprise. Need quick tips for RX administration as Pilgrim is boarded at a barn and not under my direct care. I need to know how best to ensure the Pergolide is ingested properly to get best results. 


j

 

 


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Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kim,

She joined as a member yesterday using QHgirl@mindspring.  She does still need to set up a signature and she signed up for Digest so until there's enough messages to make a digest she won't get any email from the group.  She should also check her spam/junk folder if she did not get the automatic welcome message from the group.

If she wants to read messages online she can go directly to the website at https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/topics

To send an email to the group (which will automatically be moderated as it's her first message) she can email main@ecir.groups.io

As far as your signature - it does come through as you have checked off both boxes for using your signature on email or on the web.




Re: Probiotic Digestive Supplement Question

Jennifer Green
 

Ok I will order him both this time. Thank you! 
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J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Probiotic Digestive Supplement Question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, feed 4 oz by weight, which is 8 oz volume measure of a loose powder. Wet it before mixing into feed. It doesn't seem very appetizing but they'll eat it.  I don't recommend pellets. They don't break down very well.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Probiotic Digestive Supplement Question

Jennifer Green
 

No but I can try it. Feed it with absorb all ?
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J.Green 
MA, USA
2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fergus%20Case%20History
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

There is also an option to sign in with Google or FB when you hit Log In.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Probiotic Digestive Supplement Question

Tina Bachmann
 

Jennifer, I too was having a hard time figuring out why Griffin was having loose stools. Such a mess on stall walls and in paddocks. After I stopped feeding the TC safe starch forage, TC 30% balancer and change from a soaked hay to one I don’t have to soak, and went to the emergency diet his stools have been normal. I did slowly introduce new hay over a 2 week period. Now I will start introducing minerals to balance my hay. I am not sure what was the exact reason his stools changed but hang in there hopefully you will get the change soon.
Tina and Griffin


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Tina Bachmann in VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tina%20and%20Griffin


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Has she checked her spam folder?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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