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Re: Updates

Deb Walker
 

By the way. Not sure how it changed, but the owner's name under the photo album is wrong. Not sure how to change it to me.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Updates

Deb Walker
 

I updated Scotty's case history (just tweaked a few items to make sure it is accurate.) Basic change is I have added Jiagoluan back at 2 Tbsp. day as of yesterday. The reason I stopped it was that his feet were growing too quickly, and since I couldn't get my (then) farrier to come at reasonably shorter invervals, his hoof was just growing too much between trims.

So, now we are back to an old/new farrier who is doing an excellent job, and highly recommended by my vet. After she did the first 2 or 3 trims, Scotty was able to go totally bootless for the first time since 2017. He could walk on pavement, grass, etc. with no issues. As we continued to work slowly at backing up his toe and removing no sole, he would get sore. I would boot him for a few days and practice boots on/boots off. If he showed any discomfort the boots went right back on. He spent most of July bootless with no discomfort.

After his trim on July 29, he was unable to transition back to barefoot and remained booted 24/7.

On August 31 I discussed with his farrier the *bump* for lack of a better word on his sole (both fronts, but more prominent and painful on the right.) He could walk bootless in his shaving filled barn or on grass, but as soon as that *bump* touched pavement he couldn't do it. My farrier could see what I was talking about, and reluctantly rasped off just a tiny bit of sole where the bump was. He seemed immediately more comfortable, but still booted. We decided we really needed to see what his coffin bone was doing and where it was, so I had laterals on his fronts done 9/13. My farrier will be back out 9/22 (just a 3 week interval this time.) As a sidenote-there was no soft or squishy area on his soles and he didn't react to pressing on hit with hands/fingers.

The laterals are added to Scotty's photo album. As you can see, he has lost sole. It would be impossible to guess whether that was from the very tiny bit rasped off, or whether it was from almost a month of not wearing boots in July. His hoof continually grows down from the coronet band looking perfect, and then after a few weeks, his toe starts going forward.  I think you can see that from the x-rays, which are 2 weeks post trim.

The goal going forward will be to keep that toe from getting too long and hopefully with the addition of J he will grow more sole quickly. Because we are in the seasonal rise, I am not doing testing at this time, and evaluating by sight, condition, demeanor, etc. If (bless his soul) Scotty makes it through another winter, we will test in the spring for ACTH and Insulin.

I'd appreciate any thoughts, but I bow to my farrier to make any changes/decisions. I've lost 2 farriers who could not tolerate me asking questions...which were always asked in the most polite way. Sometimes I think men feel challenged if you ask a question, when all you really want is for them to explain to you what and why., and a question does not constitute unhappiness with their work. My new farrier (who did Scotty's feet years ago in a boarding barn - 2004/2005) told me to ask away...that is the only way you learn, and she is aware of the situation I had. Still, what one sees in a picture is not the same as holding that hoof in your hand. But if there are thoughts I should keep in the back of my mind...I'd appreciate it. Thank you as always.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Saraphina blood work,help Dr. Kellon

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Hi,
Saraphina had blood work done September 2nd. vet gave her 10cc B-12 and put her on 7 tablets of Sucralfate twice a day.Both seemed to help for a bit ,she has been on Gastrogard since August 15th, haven’t seen much change.she is currently on 1/2 a tube of Gastrogard and I am now giving her 100X Equine Gut X. The company believes in their product for colonic ulcers.Shes eating close to 10 lbs dry hay per feeding( twice a day) My old vet just did a ACTH test it came back at 14. Saraphina will not eat any devils claw or supplements. I give her Metformin,vitamin e, Magnesium, trace minerals and flax oil all by oral syringe.old Vet has me giving her CBD( her own company makes it) and believes her Prascend at 2 mg a day is to high and causing her to be picky with food.I also give Saraphina APF. Is there any thing else I can try if it is colonic ulcers? For some reason the vet does not believe it’s ulcers, I’m guessing because she thinks the Gastrogard would have cleared up any chances of that?
Also old vet said dose of Sucralfate was to low to make a difference.
Good news! Philip is making progress with her feet! He seems happy with her progress. She is up most of the time and walking around( sore but better) I will work on photo’s of her feet! 
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Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Magni - Cloud boots and hoof alignment

Deb Walker
 

Kathy - They are just typical kitchen sponges ... 3 x 4" (??) with the rough backing.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 


Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Sherry Morse
 

So if you look at the Liphook chart (https://liphookequinehospital.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Seasonal-Changes-in-ACTH-Secretion2.pdf) for week 37 he's elevated but not a crazy amount.  I would still aim to get him up to the 1mg dose sooner than a month from now though and plan on restesting as mentioned earlier.




Re: curious.

Sherry Morse
 

Regina is this the folder that you were looking for? https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds




Re: Uploading xrays

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jackie,

As far as boots I would go by what she tells you.  If she's comfortable on the footing that you have I would probably err on the side of no boots, but if she starts acting at all sore then I'd want something in the way of hoof protection (assuming it's coming from her soles). 



Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

ferne fedeli
 

I don't like Licorice myself, but had read that horses like it, so I ordered the Beet-e-Bites Pill Pouches in Licorice and my Icelandic just LOVES them!  After a couple of days of them, when I pulled the pouch out of the little bag, he grabbed at it and gobbled it down!!!
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 


Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

Hi Sherry,

Bloodwork was drawn on Sept 9…


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Suzanne and Pilgrim
Joined March 2019
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzanne%20and%20Pilgrim
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90935


Re: Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 

She is definitely a cutie for sure!  Thank you for looking at the pics. Her sole is very thin. My farrier said she may never grow it. That said, she seems to be comfortable and striding without discomfort. I want to start working with her soon, groundwork, but am concerned about her feet. Would you boot her?

Thank you, again Sherry!
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


curious.

regina bruno
 

hi.  i haven't been on here in a while and have been looking around.  it seems like some stuff is gone, like, for example, a list of lab tested food items.  is that the case or am i just not finding it?
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Regina and Smokey
June 26, 2017
Laurelville,  Ohio

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Regina%20and%20Smokey  .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8316  .


new trim pictures

nikkibob1994@...
 

I just trimmed darby and have uploaded trim pictures to his album as well as a body pic. If anyone has time to take a peek please. His newest xrays taken this week are there too. Thank you!
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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Re: Uploading xrays

Sherry Morse
 

Good job Jackie!  Her toes were definitely too long and not a lot of sole in July and she has some pretty significant sidebone in both feet.  She's very cute though!




Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Sherry Morse
 

Oh Kim I'm so sorry about the loss of the foal.

I'm mystified about the email issue and my only thought is that she should check her trash folder as well as the Spam folder but I just looked and it looks like she signed up with a different email about an hour ago.




Re: what's next

nikkibob1994@...
 

Sorry you had to answer this twice, I never got your email about this. Thank you for the info, I will follow up on your suggestions. 
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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Lynn
 

I hate to hear that Kim. So sorry!
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: what's next

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

I did answer this privately so sorry if it's a duplicate.

Your vet is correct to test at 7 days. There is no effect of stress on insulin in chronic conditions and the metformin effect won't get any better than it is at 7 days **unless** PPID is helping to drive it, in which case you will need pergolide on board (same for Invokna BTW)

Sugar is best tested when you pull insulin to see the relationship between the two but if you just need a baseline check any time 4+ hours after first meal of the  day.

It's not that NSAIDs are entirely useless just that they have minimal effect. What you are seeing could be from him being up and moving around for an hour. Try skipping it to see what happens.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Question about Seasonal Rise Coat Changes

Sarah Orlofske
 

Hello All, 

I know I have to update my case history from our bloodwork in July, but it has been grueling at work and promise I will catch up soon - hopefully this weekend! But I have a question I am hoping to get some help with for Bullitt and Kate. 

This is our first year monitoring for the seasonal rise. We had blood work in late July. Kate was at 50.4 pg/mL ACTH (Ref 2-35)  and Bullitt was at 32.4. Both were on 1 tab of Prascend. After the recommendations I received here, I gradually got them up to 1.5 tablets for Bullitt and 2 for Kate. I believe things are going well over all with their health, especially Kate who shows many more symptoms than Bullitt and those are now under control. However, Bullitt has never had any issues shedding out despite probably being PPID for a while. Kate has all kinds of shedding problems and we had to shave her this spring. Now I have noticed Bullitt is not growing in his winter coat at all and Kate has been, although it it is not outrageously wooly like it has been in the past. I am just looking to see what is "normal". We have really bad winters here and I am concerned about him not growing a thick of enough coat? Since this is our first year with them on Prascend I don't have a good baseline. Is it possible that Bullitt still needs to move up to a higher dose or is the dose too high and preventing the coat from growing in? Or is Kate needing a higher dose if she is growing in winter coat too early? These are our only two horses and I have been "trained" that minis typically look like sheep in the winter, so maybe I am just not used to what a "normal" winter coat is? 

Any advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated as always! 
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Sarah O. 
Rudolph, WI
2020


Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Cindy Giovanetti
 

Oh, I’m so sorry!

 

Cindy

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Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125

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