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Re: How to Store Pergolide Once Blister Foil is opened?

Sherry Morse
 

I do the same as Maxine, just fold the tin foil over and then put it in the fridge if it's overnight.  I haven't had any that have been stored longer than that at this point.




Re: New member My Mare Chicy diagnosed with Founder 9/15/2021 at just less than 3 months in foal

Sherry Morse
 




Re: How to Store Pergolide Once Blister Foil is opened?

Maxine McArthur
 

Suzanne, I just put the remainder of the pill back in the foil and fold it over, then put it in a sealed container in the door of the refrigerator. As you are titrating up, it is only for a few days that you'll need to do this. It shouldn't affect the efficacy of the medication very much. I use a pill cutter if I need 1/4, or you can dissolve 1/2 in, say, 10cc of water, and give 5cc each day. Personally, I prefer to use the pill cutter, but you do need a good sharp one so that you don't waste any crumbs of the pill. If you use the dissolve method, you'd keep the remainder in the fridge until the next day.

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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


New member My Mare Chicy diagnosed with Founder 9/15/2021 at just less than 3 months in foal

Qhgirl
 

Hello Everyone,

Glad to have found this group through my friend Kim. This is my first experience with founder.  Chicy was a 16 year old maiden mare who was bred on June 26 via AI and had a viable foal at 28 days.  All was going great then suddenly last week she began acting like she was painful all over and limping on her left front.  Several horses in the area are being diagnosed with abscesses and I thought perhaps that was the case. I only allow her on grass 2 hours a day so founder was not even on my mind.  My vet and other local vets in this area are short handed and I asked my vet about what I was seeing (they actually AI'd Chicy) and without seeing her they said it was probably hormones from being in foal and to give her a gram of bute and set up an appointment for the following week which was the earliest they could see her. . The bute seemed to help her out but I did not want to continue after giving 1 gram more than  one time as I did not want to cover up any symptoms at her appointment.  To be honest I thought she had an abscess and I was wrapping her foot with a poultice pad which has worked well for me in the past. When I went to the vet appointment Wednesday they could see she was in a lot of pain and could barely move (which I had explained when I requested the appointment).  Ex rays showed rotation of both front feet with left being the worse (but not through the sole).  She is standing square but having difficulty walking.  Vet suggested it was not a good idea to have a mare in foal with founder and sent me home as he had and emergency C section for another client.

I had a ton of questions and Kim who is in this group made a post on my behalf and Dr Kellon recommended an ultra sound to determine if still a viable foal.  We had the ultra sound today and the determination was made the foal is no longer viable. They could feel the foal but no heartbeat.  They went in 4 different times to be sure. She was given a shot of lutalyce to help abort the foal.  They are coming up with a plan for next week to support her needs regarding the loss of the foal and making sure she is clean and open (may involve more ultra sounds, more lutalyce, lavage and oxytosis). Next week blood will be pulled from Chicy here at the barn to sent via vet for a metabolic panel to Cornell to check for IR and Cushings. She has not been drinking water as usual and was getting dehydrated and the vet gave her 5 liters fluids IV today which seemed to help her out.  She is eating and pooping good.  Not peeing but maybe due to not drinking.  I noticed today she seemed to have drank several gallons this afternoon so hope that is behind us.

With Kim's yesterday assistance I now have switched her fescue hay and Triple Crown Lite to orchard grass soaked and Triple Crown Natural Timothy cubes along with some vitamins and minerals. We have also backed up her toes and put 3 layers of Styrofoam pads on the front feet.  She is confined to the barn with deep shavings. My farrier will be here in the next couple of days to back up her toes a little more and change out the bottom 2 pads.  I will take measurments at that time and order some therapy boots.

So that is it.  The last 2 days have been a crash course in how to take care of a foundered mare.  We are beyond sad to lose the baby and would like more answers on why the baby did not survive and if that could have caused the founder.  I am sure I will have a ton more of questions as time goes on.  At this moment we are in shell shock.  Just want my girl to recover and be pain free.  I can say since having the Styrofoam pads and toes backed up she seems more comfortable on her feet but her body is very sore all over and she seems a little stiff.  Once I get her moving she seems to improve a bit. She did stand in one place in her stall most of yesterday, last night and this morning before going to the vet.  This afternoon she is munching hay in a different area of the barn which tells me she her feet do not hurt as much.. 

I do not have email on my phone where my pictures are.  Is there a way i can post directly with out email?  And a way to post pictures without using email?  All the photos and files I find seem to be for possible admin documentation.  Would like to show ex rays of feet and a picture of my beautiful amazing girl.

Thank you for listening and hoping for some good information to help us move forward and put this behind us.  
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Janet
Chester SC
09/17/2021


How to Store Pergolide Once Blister Foil is opened?

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

Hi again,

Any ideas out there how to store the pill once blister is opened? Pill has to be handled 3 times to get 1/4 of the pill. Trying not to lessen its efficacy/potency. 
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Re: Updates

Deb Walker
 

By the way. Not sure how it changed, but the owner's name under the photo album is wrong. Not sure how to change it to me.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Updates

Deb Walker
 

I updated Scotty's case history (just tweaked a few items to make sure it is accurate.) Basic change is I have added Jiagoluan back at 2 Tbsp. day as of yesterday. The reason I stopped it was that his feet were growing too quickly, and since I couldn't get my (then) farrier to come at reasonably shorter invervals, his hoof was just growing too much between trims.

So, now we are back to an old/new farrier who is doing an excellent job, and highly recommended by my vet. After she did the first 2 or 3 trims, Scotty was able to go totally bootless for the first time since 2017. He could walk on pavement, grass, etc. with no issues. As we continued to work slowly at backing up his toe and removing no sole, he would get sore. I would boot him for a few days and practice boots on/boots off. If he showed any discomfort the boots went right back on. He spent most of July bootless with no discomfort.

After his trim on July 29, he was unable to transition back to barefoot and remained booted 24/7.

On August 31 I discussed with his farrier the *bump* for lack of a better word on his sole (both fronts, but more prominent and painful on the right.) He could walk bootless in his shaving filled barn or on grass, but as soon as that *bump* touched pavement he couldn't do it. My farrier could see what I was talking about, and reluctantly rasped off just a tiny bit of sole where the bump was. He seemed immediately more comfortable, but still booted. We decided we really needed to see what his coffin bone was doing and where it was, so I had laterals on his fronts done 9/13. My farrier will be back out 9/22 (just a 3 week interval this time.) As a sidenote-there was no soft or squishy area on his soles and he didn't react to pressing on hit with hands/fingers.

The laterals are added to Scotty's photo album. As you can see, he has lost sole. It would be impossible to guess whether that was from the very tiny bit rasped off, or whether it was from almost a month of not wearing boots in July. His hoof continually grows down from the coronet band looking perfect, and then after a few weeks, his toe starts going forward.  I think you can see that from the x-rays, which are 2 weeks post trim.

The goal going forward will be to keep that toe from getting too long and hopefully with the addition of J he will grow more sole quickly. Because we are in the seasonal rise, I am not doing testing at this time, and evaluating by sight, condition, demeanor, etc. If (bless his soul) Scotty makes it through another winter, we will test in the spring for ACTH and Insulin.

I'd appreciate any thoughts, but I bow to my farrier to make any changes/decisions. I've lost 2 farriers who could not tolerate me asking questions...which were always asked in the most polite way. Sometimes I think men feel challenged if you ask a question, when all you really want is for them to explain to you what and why., and a question does not constitute unhappiness with their work. My new farrier (who did Scotty's feet years ago in a boarding barn - 2004/2005) told me to ask away...that is the only way you learn, and she is aware of the situation I had. Still, what one sees in a picture is not the same as holding that hoof in your hand. But if there are thoughts I should keep in the back of my mind...I'd appreciate it. Thank you as always.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Saraphina blood work,help Dr. Kellon

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Hi,
Saraphina had blood work done September 2nd. vet gave her 10cc B-12 and put her on 7 tablets of Sucralfate twice a day.Both seemed to help for a bit ,she has been on Gastrogard since August 15th, haven’t seen much change.she is currently on 1/2 a tube of Gastrogard and I am now giving her 100X Equine Gut X. The company believes in their product for colonic ulcers.Shes eating close to 10 lbs dry hay per feeding( twice a day) My old vet just did a ACTH test it came back at 14. Saraphina will not eat any devils claw or supplements. I give her Metformin,vitamin e, Magnesium, trace minerals and flax oil all by oral syringe.old Vet has me giving her CBD( her own company makes it) and believes her Prascend at 2 mg a day is to high and causing her to be picky with food.I also give Saraphina APF. Is there any thing else I can try if it is colonic ulcers? For some reason the vet does not believe it’s ulcers, I’m guessing because she thinks the Gastrogard would have cleared up any chances of that?
Also old vet said dose of Sucralfate was to low to make a difference.
Good news! Philip is making progress with her feet! He seems happy with her progress. She is up most of the time and walking around( sore but better) I will work on photo’s of her feet! 
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Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Magni - Cloud boots and hoof alignment

Deb Walker
 

Kathy - They are just typical kitchen sponges ... 3 x 4" (??) with the rough backing.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 


Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Sherry Morse
 

So if you look at the Liphook chart (https://liphookequinehospital.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Seasonal-Changes-in-ACTH-Secretion2.pdf) for week 37 he's elevated but not a crazy amount.  I would still aim to get him up to the 1mg dose sooner than a month from now though and plan on restesting as mentioned earlier.




Re: curious.

Sherry Morse
 

Regina is this the folder that you were looking for? https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/files/9c%20Analyses%20of%20Various%20Feeds




Re: Uploading xrays

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jackie,

As far as boots I would go by what she tells you.  If she's comfortable on the footing that you have I would probably err on the side of no boots, but if she starts acting at all sore then I'd want something in the way of hoof protection (assuming it's coming from her soles). 



Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

ferne fedeli
 

I don't like Licorice myself, but had read that horses like it, so I ordered the Beet-e-Bites Pill Pouches in Licorice and my Icelandic just LOVES them!  After a couple of days of them, when I pulled the pouch out of the little bag, he grabbed at it and gobbled it down!!!
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 


Re: Ughh!!! Pilgrim confirmed to have PPID

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

Hi Sherry,

Bloodwork was drawn on Sept 9…


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Suzanne and Pilgrim
Joined March 2019
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzanne%20and%20Pilgrim
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90935


Re: Uploading xrays

Thurstonjs@...
 

She is definitely a cutie for sure!  Thank you for looking at the pics. Her sole is very thin. My farrier said she may never grow it. That said, she seems to be comfortable and striding without discomfort. I want to start working with her soon, groundwork, but am concerned about her feet. Would you boot her?

Thank you, again Sherry!
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


curious.

regina bruno
 

hi.  i haven't been on here in a while and have been looking around.  it seems like some stuff is gone, like, for example, a list of lab tested food items.  is that the case or am i just not finding it?
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Regina and Smokey
June 26, 2017
Laurelville,  Ohio

 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Regina%20and%20Smokey  .
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8316  .


new trim pictures

nikkibob1994@...
 

I just trimmed darby and have uploaded trim pictures to his album as well as a body pic. If anyone has time to take a peek please. His newest xrays taken this week are there too. Thank you!
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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Re: Uploading xrays

Sherry Morse
 

Good job Jackie!  Her toes were definitely too long and not a lot of sole in July and she has some pretty significant sidebone in both feet.  She's very cute though!




Re: Mare 2 1/2 months pregnant has foundered

Sherry Morse
 

Oh Kim I'm so sorry about the loss of the foal.

I'm mystified about the email issue and my only thought is that she should check her trash folder as well as the Spam folder but I just looked and it looks like she signed up with a different email about an hour ago.



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