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Re: How do people soak hay when the horse is at a boarding facility

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Aunna,

With Caset's history of high insulin and his most recent result being elevated it looks like he needs as low of a sugar diet as possible.  Ruger might be fine with the higher nutrient hay because his insulin has never been a problem.

Can you post the analyses?  If the lower nutrient hay is still palatable/digestible and has lower s+s I would go with that because my priority with my horse is minimizing the risk of laminitis and he is very sensitive to sugars.  IMO it's easier to supplement nutrients than it is to deal with high insulin. 

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Founder

Tracy
 

I believe my CH is updated.  Regardless - Salsa's diet is balanced and my hay is safe.  I'll check all that when I calm down.
This morning he is clearly laminitic.
He was trimmed yesterday - VERY mild trim.  I had vet out about two weeks ago because Salsa was 'ouchy' -xrays were taken and farrier and I reviewed them yesterday before trim.  He is in boots - riding boots - which have helped - until now.  He has always had VERY thin soles.  She did back his toes up a little yesterday.
He IS eating and drinking. I just bedded his stall DEEPLY and put hay in there (his hay machine is outside his stall in his attached dry lot) and put 10 gallons of water in his stall (trough also in dry lot).
He ate his morning meal just fine.  He is not rocked back etc - just very gimpy.
I caved in and gave him a little bute because it hurts to see him like this - I know that's not great to do.
I do not have j-herb.  I am 99% sure this is metabolic and I feel super guilty.  I suspect he needs more Prascend for the rise.  Currently on 1 pill.
This year my dad was ill and my teen was having issues so I did not get the vet out in June as I had planned.
I will see how quickly I can get some J herb.  If anyone is near Rutherford Co TN and I can buy some from you - please PM me.  Going to call Bonnie's now and see if she has any.
Is it worth trying to up his Prascend at this point?  I was going to get vet out in October for yearly stuff, including ACTH.
I will order Cloud or Soft Ride boots asap - measuring for some was on my list to do this weekend.
Thoughts?
So much guilt.  Ugh.

--
Tracy and Salsa (1999 model year Paso Fino)
Middle TN USA, September 2019
Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tracy%20and%20Salsa
Photos https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=95827


Update on Tipperary behavior from heat

celestinefarm
 

Just a brief update on Tipperary who I posted earlier this month was experiencing anhidrosis during the extended high heat we were experiencing. He had stopped eating long stem hay, was dipping his muzzle in his buckets, not drinking and pulling the buckets off the wall, etc. 

My vet does not do any advanced dentistry but was able to refer me to a vet I was familiar with who does. Vet was out, light sedation and speculum and power float. He and I were both amazed to see that Tipperary, at 25 has not only full arcades of teeth, but he had no loose teeth, no diastemas or pockets and just simply needed sharp edges reduced. No sign of EOTHR. He has one broken incisor that has been broken out on the facial aspect for years, his previous equine dentist filled it and that restoration lasted a long time, but the tooth is broken off midpoint. No decay or problems with it either. After he recovered , he immediately began lightly eating long stem hay and has returned to eating normally. He had some modest irritation on his cheeks, but enough that he was unhappy with chewing and backed off eating. His Morgan card should be revoked, LOL.

We have had much cooler temperatures and with that, the dunking and tossing of water buckets has ceased. We had one day last week where temps got into the upper 80's and the bucket tossing returned. I am convinced that is a behavior associated with being too hot, as he doesn't sweat, is a heavily muscled horse and has a heavy coat. Fans only do so much when the temps rise. 




--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: What now....help please

Nancy C
 
Edited

Short PS....

Looking at his photos, he appears to be standing out in front on the fores. I can't see his coronet band, but his heels appear to be ever so slightly under run.  You can see this a little better on the left. If you look at his coronet band without the hair, it should be a straight line, and not curving under at the heels.  A couple of swipes on the heels only, may put his foot back a bit further so that the bones align as they should and mechanisms work more as they should. If here were here I'd try two swipes, take more pictures and evaluate in a day or two.n There is no better learning tool than good pictures. https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1472

Working on my own foundered and so-called "naviclular" horses over the years, I have found these tiny tweaks to often, but not always, bring good response.  If he is working on a abscess, that pain will override almost everything else.

As always, I bow to Dr. Kellon and Lavinia for correction.

--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021

Recordings of the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference released to attendees 09.03.21.
Veterinary Professional CE certification hours submitted to AAVSB Race 09.08.21


Re: ivermectin price increase?

celestinefarm
 

My local Tractor Supply is completely out of all Ivermectin paste. Many sites on line are out of stock also. I was able to purchase tubes of Durvet Ivermectin at a local lumber yard/feed store that has a small corner of the store with shelves carrying livestock supplies. I paid $7.99 a tube for it. I also bought Equimax and it was....$16.97 a  tube.  Zimecterin and Ivercare are made in the USA, and have always been more expensive. I see online TSC Zimecterin is now $8.99 a tube. Ivercare from Schneiders online is $6.99 but it is out of stock. Prices are not going to come down, IMO, because the costs along the entire production and delivery process have gone up and will stay up. 

The days of $1.99 Ivermectin if you buy $50 of items from online are most likely well behind us.
--
Dawn Wagstaff and Tipperary   

Saline, MI  2003

Tipperary Case History

Juniper Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Juniper/Case%20history%20Juniper.pdf .


Re: What now....help please

Nancy C
 

Hi Nikki --

Sounds like you are stopping NSAIDs cold turkey. If so that could be giving him NSAID rebound pain. Could also be dealing with unresolved abscess that will likely not resolve while on NSAIDs. If he were here I'd find another way to keep him comfortable: jiaogulan, phytoquench, muscle therapy.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021

Recordings of the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference released to attendees 09.03.21.
Veterinary Professional CE certification hours submitted to AAVSB Race 09.08.21


What now....help please

nikkibob1994@...
 

Darby is still incredibly sore. This has been going on for a month. In the morning he can hardly move, after some NSAIDS he is better, ready to be booted up and turned out. I tried going without the NSAIDS for a couple days and he was absolutely miserable. His latest blood results are in his file nothing remarkable except his calcium is a little high and his conjugated bilirubin is low. He has been on metformin (15 tabs twice a day) for about 2 weeks, and prascend (1 tablet) for about a week. His blood glucose is 88, insulin is 32, and ACTH is 28.8.
The vet wants to block him out next week and is saying possibly navicular...but bilateral navicular acute onset??
Please, where do I go from here.
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Nikkibob
Wisconsin, Sept 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nikki%20and%20Darby 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=77396


Re: Dental sedatives

Kandace Krause
 

Thanks for more Sherry,
I kind of hijacked or butted into this thread.  My mare isn't in foal and I have a couple weeks to research this now due to postponement.  It is the gel we  are planning to use, and I may have my latest blood reesults back before this happens which will help with saying horse is stable or not, as Dr Kellon said stable not lame horse should be okay.
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Kandace K
Rocky Mountains, Alberta, Oct 2020
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kandace%20J%20and%20K
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=259062


Re: Terrie and Dixie

terrieheining
 

Have uploaded an updated Case History for Dixie. There are still some blood results outstanding.  Hoof photos and fresh xrays will be uploaded early next week.  When I deleted the original Case History and replaced it with the new one should I have chosen to advise?

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TerrieH in Australia 2021
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terrie%20and%20Dixie  .
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268416 











Re: Story won't eat supplements

Ronelle
 

Shera-  It's a herb used in cooking.  I'm going to Safeway today to see if they have it, if not, I'll go to the Spice Shop in the Old Mill.  I'm going to try it on a friend's PPID pony.
--
Ronelle and Yoyo
2015 Bend, Or, US


Re: ivermectin price increase?

llkeach50
 

I just paid $5.99 at Tractor Supply. 


Linda K.
2003, Dec. 


Re: ivermectin price increase?

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 
Edited

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 10:47 PM, ferne fedeli wrote:
Well, hopefully by next time I need to give it, the idiots of the world will have decided it isn't going to save them from Covid and the prices will come back down...
We can only hope...
 
--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: ivermectin price increase?

LJ Friedman
 

i was paying $2.50 each amazon 
--
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse( over the rainbow) and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


Re: Prascens vs compounded pergolide cost difference

Cheryl Oickle
 

You can also contact the pharmacy that it was dispensed from.  Mine says room temp away from light being mindful of the labelled expiration date. 
Definitely cheaper! 

--
Cheryl and Jewel
Oct 2018
Port Alberni BC Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cheryl%20and%20Jewel
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=81063


Re: Dancer's Diet and Vet Response

Dancer's Mom
 

Dancer’s weight , right now is 990 and she definitely needs to loose weight.  Ideal weight is closer to 900  when I first got her, 4 years ago, she was about 945.


I’ve been giving her all those supplements for a while.  I just added the MegRestore last month.

And she’s had “lamenesses” and ulcers on and off for a while now.  At least since beginning of the year.  She’s an Easy  keeper appendix quarter horse.


when I increase her exercise, when she’s able, I increase her hay quantity. And I’ve also have had her on “ free feed” hay and had 50-70% Teff hay and 30-50% meadow hay.  And she’s always self regulated cuz she really doesn’t like Teff hay that much. Beginning of August, she was feeling sound and healthy so, I put her back on free feed at that time, and have always used some type of slow feeder, with her.

 9/9/21 we started on thyroid powder 1 scoop per vet for weight loss and vet increased thyroid powder to 2 scoops on 9/22/21 to speed up weight loss, she said  

Patti

Northern California 2021


Re: New body shots on Cadet, has he lost enough weight?

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Aunna,

Considering that he's 14.3 closer to 1000lbs is not something I'd be worried about; particularly since you've consistently had him at a body score of 6 or more at 1100lbs.  He looks good in the pictures, definitely not skinny.




Re: ivermectin price increase?

ferne fedeli
 

I had been meaning to check the Ivermectin prices and your post reminded me, LJ...  Anyway, I usually get Durvet brand from Amazon and I paid $17.95 last November for a 3-pack and it is now $62.86 for the same 3-pack!!!  Good heavens!  Well, hopefully by next time I need to give it, the idiots of the world will have decided it isn't going to save them from Covid and the prices will come back down...

--

Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
Case History

 

 


Re: Could someone tell me if the blood results could have been affected by sedative

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Carrie,

The short answer is yes, the results can be affected by sedation.




Re: Any updates on those using PEA?

Frances C
 

I'm still using PEA ultrmocronized, about 2500 mg  once a day along with devil's claw extract. It may work better in combination with herbals. Most human versions seem to contain some sort of herb. I had been giving 5000 mg until my Miss FussBudget decided she was no longer going to consume bucket feed. So it was back to square one with just a little soaked beet pulp, 2 oz flaxseed, the 2500 mg PEA mixed with 1 tablespoon hemp/evening primrose oil mix. I have been able to add back 1 oz. H.A. and 4 oz. alfalfa pellets. If she continues to consume the mix I may bump up the PEA. I take PEA myself with tumeric extract. Does it help me or my mare? I dunno, but I don't want to take the chance of her regressing if I take her off it.
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: ivermectin price increase?

Sherry Morse
 

As I'm sure you've noticed ivermectin is now being labeled as not for human consumption and is out of stock in many places.  If you don't have a supply on hand you'll be paying more for quite a while now.  $9 is actually cheaper than it used to be.



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