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Re: Carrier for vitamins and minerals

Starshine Ranch
 

That looks really good!  I wish I could get it!
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Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Looking for a supplement for sore joints,stiffness

CYNDI CARLSON
 

Hi,
I am finally able too walk Saraphina in her sandy pen! She is very stiff but she does loosen up as we walk. I love that she is willing and licking when walking. Speed is up to her, as we walk she starts moving a little faster on her own.I really feel this is good for her or I would not walk her.My concern is she has been standing around for soooo long she has joint stiffness ,muscle atrophy so I’m looking for a safe effective product recommendation since there are so many products out there to choose from.
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Cyndi Carlson in Colorado 2021


Re: Cadet's insulin is even lower with full time track life

riggslippert@...
 

No Idexx result; I don't have easy access since the move.  Yes to ECIR mineral balancer since August; before that I was doing it myself, but the new hay was a little "challenging" (thank you Kathleen!).  Yes, he is still on Invokana 300 mg QD, coming up to one year given consistently by me.

Aunna
October 2018
Island County, Washington, USA
Cadet Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Cadet
Ruger Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Aunna%20and%20Ruger

Cadet Photo Album:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=84102




Needing to update my case history…

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

I’d like to start updating my case file for Pilgrim. How do I go about doing that?  I struggle with memory issues due to my health. I don’t want to redo what I don’t need to … not all that computer savvy either unfortunately😏
 
 


Re: Positive for early cushing`s?

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

If you are seeing her impacted negatively by those changes with the onset of seasonal rise then I think it's fair to trial a low dose of pergolide next year.  I don't see a need to redo ACTH until next July/August, then again after she's on pergolide.

I wonder if the lower glucose could be because her hay prior to the blood pull might have been lower in sugar than usual?  I've noticed lower glucose, too, for my horse's last 2 blood pulls after I started soaking hay that was already low sugar, but I don't have enough data to confirm that correlation and can't rule out sample handling.

Could you add the link to your photo album to your signature?
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=269097

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Chicy (in foal) blood results coming in

Qhgirl
 

Kirsten,
You want me to put the bloodwork inside my case history rather than as a separate file as I did. Like I mentioned I do not have a final yet. The only change to CH so far is I added 3/4 cup daily of the Vermont blend. Bloodwork posted as separate file in CH folder but waiting on final with Lipton panel to post again. It has been a month. Not much to report other than started her on Prascend last Thursday. 
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334


Re: New Member -- Need Alternatives to Soaking Hay

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Oh I see, yes it is time consuming.  And exhausting if you have to be there every day after work.  Even though the hay only soaks for 1 hr, weighing it out into nets, filling the barrel, soaking, rinsing and draining takes closer to 2 hrs.  Definitely finding some paid help would be good, especially if there are days you can't be there.  Will the barn do it for a little more in boarding fees, or in exchange for a few hours of your labour 1 day a week?  Or can you hire some who is there every day, or maybe lives there like the barn owner's daughter/son if they have one?  When I am going to be away, I pre-measure each day of hay into garbage bags and split out the am and pm portions with a second smaller garbage bag inside the big one.  Others have used Rubbermaid bins or feed tubs and then stack them so they take up less space.  My horse-sitter just needs to transfer it into nets and get it soaking while she does the rest of the chores.  It does make it a lot quicker for the person soaking it when the weighing step is removed, and if you have room at the barn you can pre-measure a week's worth in advance.

Another option might be trying to source a low sugar hay and asking if you can store it at the barn.  Even if you can't store a year's supply there, even 20 bales could help if they are only fed on the days you are not there to soak hay.

Talk to your barn owner about where you might be able to drain water to.  Many of us run a pipe out to an area away from traffic and often where there are plants that like to be watered.  They might have a creative solution.

Like you and Martha, I soak 24 hrs of hay at a time.  Aside from freezing solid when temps drop below -15 C, the only time I've had an issue is warm AND humid weather where the hay starts to smell sour the next day.  This weather combination is rare where I live, and I still feed it to my horse when it's like that because it smells more like it's fermenting rather than molding, but I know it's less palatable to him.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Devil’s claw bitters content

Sunkawakan
 

some sources suggest that because of DC’s bitters content, it can help to encourage appetite.While I want to use it for its analgesic properties, Tuck’s appetite needs no stimulation. Conundrum. Do not know validity of suggestion.
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Kim F
WI
2021


Not familiar with the use of Devil’s Claw

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

I see people referring to Devil’s Claw. Is this something to be used instead of Previcox, and Bute?
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Re: CBD and Cushings attn Dr Kellon

rozaniloc@...
 

Dr Kellon, what signs would you expect to see if CBD was causing a problem? My horse has melanomas for which I have been brewing my own cannabis oil - I have not tested it so I don't really know the levels of cannaboids, thc, etc it contains. He also has the bone chips in his front ankle, which I believe the oil is helping with pain. He is PPID & ACTH was normal this spring on 1 tab of Prascend. Thank you!
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Rozanne & Sunday
July 02 2019  Larimer County, Colorado
case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rozanne%20&%20Sunday 
photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93586  


Re: Retesting ACTH

Thurstonjs@...
 

Hi Dr. Kellon,

Last night she drank 2/3's of her water bucket, better than the last few days. I was feeding salt regularly but ran out. I need to buy more today. All I have is Morton's iodized sea salt. I don't think I should feed that? Her water intake was better with the salt but could've been it got quite warm. I was still feeding salt the same time as soaking hay.

Today she seems calmer, let me groom and touch her sides. I just cleaned her stall, she's not stalled as she has an attached paddock. But there was a lot of urine this morning.

I will call my vet regarding insulin testing. Thank you!
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


Re: Puzzling Foot Soreness - Need Advice

Lynn
 

Thanks Dr K.. my vet is coming out for some other stuff.. I will have him do that.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Puzzling Foot Soreness - Need Advice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Lynn,

This is impossible to answer long distance. I see no particular reason to suspect laminitis but there are MANY other causes of bilateral stiffness than laminitis. You need a lameness exam.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Good news with Bella & Destiny, & Question for Dr. Kellon please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Lynn,

Good job! There's no need to test for thyroid unless you have a specific reason. Since they're doing well, I would wait until February or March of next year to test ACTH and insulin.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Supplement Changes/Sore?

Kathleen Rauchle
 

The small square hay I have started to soak. The drylot is her only area. So covered the whole edge with dirt and it already seems to be helping. She goes out of her way to eat 2 blades of grass growing in rocks even when she has hay available. Drives me nuts. 

She did have a high sole ridge develop and harden frog. So I cleaned up her sole ridge and the hard frog and it helped a lot. She is much more comfortable. 

We should be getting hay results back by Wednesday.
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Kathleen R
Central WI 
2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252630

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo/KATHLEEN_RAUCHLE_top_field_1st_crop_rounds_Mixed_grass_hay_2021-08-27_395849_1264%20%282%29.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo/KATHLEEN_RAUCHLE_2021_2nd_crop_sm.sq.grass_Mixed_grass_hay_2021-08-27_395848_1263%20%282%29.pdf


Re: Testing of EMS

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Percentages from any single study are of limited value but on average about 10% of the equine population overall has EMS and another 10% PPID with IR.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Retesting ACTH

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

How much is she drinking?  Salt intake?

I wouldn't test ACTH now but you could check insulin.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Devil’s claw palatability

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Get a small coffee grinder and use that to make it a fine powder. Start small and work up. Sprinkle meal with oil rather than water to hold the powder. It tones down the taste.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: New Member -- Need Alternatives to Soaking Hay

 

Hi Heidi,
I know hay soaking is time consuming but I live in northern New England, soak once a day and never have any issues.  I never pack the bags tightly so they aren’t as likely to mold.  No one has rejected their hay for being frozen and crunchy.  I do have a barn to work in.  It’s not heated but out of the wind and, because it’s at my house, I installed a drain to a dry well.  Could you soak it at home?  Soaking in hot water decreases the soaking time by half.  While never quite as reliable as doing it yourself, can you pay another boarder to do it for you?  Maybe a Pony Club or 4H member who might make a learning project of it?
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Devil’s claw palatability

Sunkawakan
 

I would like to use this herb that I purchased cut & sifted from Ameriherb; Tuck found it utterly distasteful & he generally eats anything. He is an overweight gelding with IR. I read that DC can have an appetite stimulating effect because of its bitters content, but is helpful as an analgesic. Please advise.
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Kim F
WI
2021

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