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Re: Chicy (in foal) blood results coming in

Qhgirl
 

Kirsten,
You want me to put the bloodwork inside my case history rather than as a separate file as I did. Like I mentioned I do not have a final yet. The only change to CH so far is I added 3/4 cup daily of the Vermont blend. Bloodwork posted as separate file in CH folder but waiting on final with Lipton panel to post again. It has been a month. Not much to report other than started her on Prascend last Thursday. 
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334


Re: New Member -- Need Alternatives to Soaking Hay

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Oh I see, yes it is time consuming.  And exhausting if you have to be there every day after work.  Even though the hay only soaks for 1 hr, weighing it out into nets, filling the barrel, soaking, rinsing and draining takes closer to 2 hrs.  Definitely finding some paid help would be good, especially if there are days you can't be there.  Will the barn do it for a little more in boarding fees, or in exchange for a few hours of your labour 1 day a week?  Or can you hire some who is there every day, or maybe lives there like the barn owner's daughter/son if they have one?  When I am going to be away, I pre-measure each day of hay into garbage bags and split out the am and pm portions with a second smaller garbage bag inside the big one.  Others have used Rubbermaid bins or feed tubs and then stack them so they take up less space.  My horse-sitter just needs to transfer it into nets and get it soaking while she does the rest of the chores.  It does make it a lot quicker for the person soaking it when the weighing step is removed, and if you have room at the barn you can pre-measure a week's worth in advance.

Another option might be trying to source a low sugar hay and asking if you can store it at the barn.  Even if you can't store a year's supply there, even 20 bales could help if they are only fed on the days you are not there to soak hay.

Talk to your barn owner about where you might be able to drain water to.  Many of us run a pipe out to an area away from traffic and often where there are plants that like to be watered.  They might have a creative solution.

Like you and Martha, I soak 24 hrs of hay at a time.  Aside from freezing solid when temps drop below -15 C, the only time I've had an issue is warm AND humid weather where the hay starts to smell sour the next day.  This weather combination is rare where I live, and I still feed it to my horse when it's like that because it smells more like it's fermenting rather than molding, but I know it's less palatable to him.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Devil’s claw bitters content

Sunkawakan
 

some sources suggest that because of DC’s bitters content, it can help to encourage appetite.While I want to use it for its analgesic properties, Tuck’s appetite needs no stimulation. Conundrum. Do not know validity of suggestion.
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Kim F
WI
2021


Not familiar with the use of Devil’s Claw

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

I see people referring to Devil’s Claw. Is this something to be used instead of Previcox, and Bute?
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Re: CBD and Cushings attn Dr Kellon

rozaniloc@...
 

Dr Kellon, what signs would you expect to see if CBD was causing a problem? My horse has melanomas for which I have been brewing my own cannabis oil - I have not tested it so I don't really know the levels of cannaboids, thc, etc it contains. He also has the bone chips in his front ankle, which I believe the oil is helping with pain. He is PPID & ACTH was normal this spring on 1 tab of Prascend. Thank you!
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Rozanne & Sunday
July 02 2019  Larimer County, Colorado
case history:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rozanne%20&%20Sunday 
photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=93586  


Re: Retesting ACTH

Thurstonjs@...
 

Hi Dr. Kellon,

Last night she drank 2/3's of her water bucket, better than the last few days. I was feeding salt regularly but ran out. I need to buy more today. All I have is Morton's iodized sea salt. I don't think I should feed that? Her water intake was better with the salt but could've been it got quite warm. I was still feeding salt the same time as soaking hay.

Today she seems calmer, let me groom and touch her sides. I just cleaned her stall, she's not stalled as she has an attached paddock. But there was a lot of urine this morning.

I will call my vet regarding insulin testing. Thank you!
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


Re: Puzzling Foot Soreness - Need Advice

Lynn
 

Thanks Dr K.. my vet is coming out for some other stuff.. I will have him do that.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Puzzling Foot Soreness - Need Advice

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Lynn,

This is impossible to answer long distance. I see no particular reason to suspect laminitis but there are MANY other causes of bilateral stiffness than laminitis. You need a lameness exam.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Good news with Bella & Destiny, & Question for Dr. Kellon please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Lynn,

Good job! There's no need to test for thyroid unless you have a specific reason. Since they're doing well, I would wait until February or March of next year to test ACTH and insulin.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Supplement Changes/Sore?

Kathleen Rauchle
 

The small square hay I have started to soak. The drylot is her only area. So covered the whole edge with dirt and it already seems to be helping. She goes out of her way to eat 2 blades of grass growing in rocks even when she has hay available. Drives me nuts. 

She did have a high sole ridge develop and harden frog. So I cleaned up her sole ridge and the hard frog and it helped a lot. She is much more comfortable. 

We should be getting hay results back by Wednesday.
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Kathleen R
Central WI 
2020

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=252630

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo/KATHLEEN_RAUCHLE_top_field_1st_crop_rounds_Mixed_grass_hay_2021-08-27_395849_1264%20%282%29.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kathleen%20and%20Echo/KATHLEEN_RAUCHLE_2021_2nd_crop_sm.sq.grass_Mixed_grass_hay_2021-08-27_395848_1263%20%282%29.pdf


Re: Testing of EMS

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Percentages from any single study are of limited value but on average about 10% of the equine population overall has EMS and another 10% PPID with IR.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Retesting ACTH

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

How much is she drinking?  Salt intake?

I wouldn't test ACTH now but you could check insulin.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Devil’s claw palatability

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Get a small coffee grinder and use that to make it a fine powder. Start small and work up. Sprinkle meal with oil rather than water to hold the powder. It tones down the taste.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: New Member -- Need Alternatives to Soaking Hay

 

Hi Heidi,
I know hay soaking is time consuming but I live in northern New England, soak once a day and never have any issues.  I never pack the bags tightly so they aren’t as likely to mold.  No one has rejected their hay for being frozen and crunchy.  I do have a barn to work in.  It’s not heated but out of the wind and, because it’s at my house, I installed a drain to a dry well.  Could you soak it at home?  Soaking in hot water decreases the soaking time by half.  While never quite as reliable as doing it yourself, can you pay another boarder to do it for you?  Maybe a Pony Club or 4H member who might make a learning project of it?
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Devil’s claw palatability

Sunkawakan
 

I would like to use this herb that I purchased cut & sifted from Ameriherb; Tuck found it utterly distasteful & he generally eats anything. He is an overweight gelding with IR. I read that DC can have an appetite stimulating effect because of its bitters content, but is helpful as an analgesic. Please advise.
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Kim F
WI
2021


Retesting ACTH

Thurstonjs@...
 

Hi all,

Rose started Prascend around 9/26, 1/4 tab for 4 days, then 1/2 tab daily. After a couple of weeks, I could see some positive changes, less drinking water and urinating. I started soaking all of her hay except some dry handfuls here and there. Still no grass. Her water drinking intake is ok, but I think she is getting a lot from her soaked hay.

I've noticed in the last few days her urinating has increased - maybe from the water in the hay? Our temps went up making her sweat more, but certainly not as bad as before she started Prascend. Her demeanor seems cranky again. And though I've been soaking her hay, I feel her crest might be getting thicker. Not hard though. I haven't added anything to her diet. Yesterday she seemed really anxious about her food. Could her anxieties/stress cause changes to ACTH levels?

She is scheduled at the end of December for retesting but I feel she should be tested again sooner. Is it too soon to retest?

Thank you.
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Jackie Thurston
Suffolk, VA 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jackie%20and%20Rose

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268230


Re: Testing of EMS

Marie
 

You mentioned it in week 8 of CIR group in theme of IR. Pony 30 % and overall prevalence 9,28%. How many is true?
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Marie Volsicka
Mid Europe
2021


Good news with Bella & Destiny, & Question for Dr. Kellon please

lynnc66
 

Hi everyone, I have great news to report!  Both Bella and Destiny, the miniature horses, are doing very well now!
 
Bella improved dramatically after starting on Metformin in February, and also with a new farrier who is aligned with the trim rec's from Lavinia.  Bella is now sound, does not need boots, and on a few occasions has taken to galloping around the barn on cool evenings (OMG, this moved me to tears - I didn't know if I would ever see her run again!!)  For the past month, I've started exercising her -- very gradually -- at the walk, with a little trotting, for 20 minutes, 3x/week.  
 
Both the vet and the farrier are happy with Bella and Destiny's weights now.  Since Feb 2020, Bella has lost 90 lbs, and Destiny has lost 80 lbs.
 
My QUESTION is: 
1) when to re-test for ACTH and Thyroid?  (we plan to re-test Insulin/Glucose at the same time)  
 
Please see updated Case History for Bella.  We increased her Prascend to 1 mg on 2/3/21. 
 
I am having trouble updating Destiny's CH.  She was started back on 0.5 Prascend on 8/6/21(after stopping 1/30/21, as per previous rec from Dr. Kellon).  Destiny's current weight is 309 lbs.
 
We last tested for ACTH and Insulin for both of them 3/9/21.
 
Thank you so much.  I am very grateful to be part of this group.
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Lynn Cox
Kern County, CA

May, 2007 

Bella Case History   https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Bella
Destiny Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Lynn%20and%20Destiny  .
Photos, Bella, Destiny, Zoe, Pip   
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=247665  





Re: Positive for early cushing`s?

Anthie Booras
 

I pulled it on the Sunday. It was spun within an hour and put in the freezer immediately. I shipped it Monday, packed in a styrofoam cooler with three ice packs about noon, and I had the glucose and chem results in my inbox less than 24 hours later. 

The last couple years it’s felt like she does so well at the start of the year into the spring and just as we get to the summer is when she seems to start developing problems. From there it just goes downhill as we get later into the summer into the early fall, and once we get to middle of winter we start fighting back from bad to getting better again. Then she has a stretch of time where she is doing well, comfortable, and happy. And that end of spring into summer starts and we do it all over again. The last two years I have been able to take care of doing her bloodwork myself so I have finally been able to really track her patterns.  Prior to that it was merely tracking her symptoms and what she was doing.

I can re-run the ACTH in about six weeks and see how low it’s come once we get closer to winter. But at this point it makes me feel like trying her on a small dose of pergolide around the time she always seems to start going downhill just to see if I can stop it from happening.

I don’t have any recent photos of her front feet. I did upload two pictures of her right and left front mid trim from a year and a half ago. I feel like she has improved since then. The last couple of shoeings she has not had the red that can be seen in those pictures. That seems to have gone away finally. She recently got switched to EasyShoe Versa’s since they discontinued the flex.

Besides the increased salt block licking her itchiness has gone up this year as well. She’s always been kind of sensitive to things. She used to get hives a lot but seems to have stopped with that. Now it’s mostly being itchy despite being on both spirulina and Chondroitin.
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- Anthie

Northern California
August 2015

Erin's case history: 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anthie%20and%20Erin/


Re: New Member -- Need Alternatives to Soaking Hay

hmmatthews2003@...
 

Thanks so much for your feedback, Kirsten. To answer your questions:

Starch is 0.6.

As for soaking, it's simply a matter of time and logistics, and now winter coming. I work long hours and board about 30 minutes away, so it's sometimes difficult to get the barn every day and it takes quite a bit of time to pull everything together once I get there (weigh and fill x4 hay bags, soak for 60 minutes, drain for 15/20 minutes, grind and mix meds, etc.). The only way I've been able to make it work thus far is to prepare everything in the evening for the following day. (It makes me sick worrying about the soaked hay sitting for so long before feeding.) Now, with winter coming, I'm honestly not sure how I'm going to be able to continue to soak-- I won't have a suitable location to drain the water where it won't pose a freezing/safety hazard. But, to your point, the hay is just too risky not to. 

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~ Heidi
October 2021, New Hampshire
Remy Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heidi%20and%20Remy

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