Hi Linda

I’m not Kim but I give my two 2 tsp each AM of the powdered Bulk Supplements Devils Claw. They are each about 1000 lbs. 
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Brenda
September 2020, Dodgeville WI USA
Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Brenda%20and%20Stormy/Stormy%20and%20Brenda  .
Stormy Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=263428 

 

 

Update:
Bumps/hives all gone. Only remaining ones are the ones that had little scabs. The scabs are still present. 

Chicy was in her dry lot this am. It rained last night and she must have gone out in it. She was dry but could tell she had been wet. 

No word from local vet yet!
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334

Hi Tammy,

The metabolic panel can be done on the weekend.  The blood can go in the fridge or freezer and get shipped out Monday morning on ice.  If the sample handling calls for centrifuging, it must be done within 4 hours of pulling and must be kept chilled at all times.

Because of Roo's age, I would make sure he/she gets an annual ACTH test.  Both horses would benefit from having insulin and glucose monitored.  Leptin and thyroid hormones are not needed, even though they are included in most metabolic panels. 

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album

Hi Tonya,
I took a look at the photos you posted.  Don’t forget to add a link to your album to your signature.  When we assess the suitability of hay, we look at the sum of ESC and starch so your hays are both well within our 10% guidance.  I gather you are looking for a pelleted vitamin supplement.  The best way to do that would be as I described earlier - to have a trained balancer look at the hay analyses and make suggestions.  My most recent hay has been well balanced by adding a small amount of Mn to Uckele U-Balance Foundation pellets so there are several options.
Looking at the bloodwork, it’s apparent he is not PPID.  Quarter horses are rarely IR without being PPID so it’s possible that the inappropriate trim is responsible for all of Rusty’s issues.  We like to see blood values in the middle of the suggested range so, while he is slightly above the upper end of the normal insulin range, he is actually more elevated than that would suggest.  I would continue to manage him as you are now, keeping him on a low s/s diet and in padded boots, and  follow his insulin.  Hopefully things will begin to normalize as his trim is corrected.  Lavinia, here, is our hoof trimming expert and I suggest you ask for her advice.
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No need to continue Benadryl or APF.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Part of the problem is your "feed" adds up to at least another pound of hay. You likely also have a discrepancy in who is eating how much with Stinker getting more than her fair share.  Third factor is exercise. Teach Stinker (or both of them) to lunge then do it - daily.  Your hay analysis will determine if CT is an appropriate supplement or not.

Just for reference, this is what a mini should look like https://www.ballykeppogueminiaturehorses.com/uploads/2/5/7/1/25712053/mhcgb16-champs-d2-2086edited_orig.jpg . Print out and post in your barn!
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

Hi Kim,
When I ‘soaked’ hay for respiratory issues many years ago I just dunked the hay in a net or rinsed it.  I never actually soaked it.
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Thank you so much for any and all help.  I have two 28 inch minis, one is 15 and one is 6.  Both were overweight.  Roo is the 15 year old and has struggled with laminitis.  Stinker was raised (before I got her) with weanling calves and fed with them.  Stinker is also severely cow hocked.  I have been learning a lot about diet but still struggle.  I have them both in a dry lot.  I weight the hay and they are fed the hay in a slow feeder net.  Right now it is 9 lbs a day total for both which is right at 1.5% of Stinkers weight and closer to 2% of Roos as Roo has done well losing weight.  They each get 4 oz of Timothy pellets,  2oz of enrich balancer, 1 scoop of flax, 3/4 tablespoon of loose white salt and 2 400 iu vit e mixed together for "feed".  I have their hay tested and had them on California trace for more than a year but didn't see much difference so I'm looking for suggestions.  Stinker is still gaining and putting fat pockets on.  She is active and spunky but dang.....Roo I believe is doing ok and is finally back to running a bucking but I'm seriously worried about Stinker.  I need to know what tests my vet needs to run.  I had the metabolic panel scheduled for Saturday but my vet didn't realize the test that needed done and cannot perform it on Saturday and get it shipped out. Sorry the post is long.  
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Tammy Ziegler
Plato, MO

Hi Marcy,
If you’re there in the evening, you could set up your Prascend syringe for the morning the night before.  It’s stable enough for that time frame.  Prascend is different from your average supplement in that it needs to be consumed daily to do its job and that it’s very expensive.  Also, it has an off-putting taste, which the horse often goes to great length to avoid.
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If ESC+starch is <10, but hay is still soaked year round for respiratory issues, what is recommended soaking time?
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Kim F
WI
2021

Hello Martha,

I board my horse in  co-op situation and the barn owner is wanting to do it this way  as she feels it is less confusing. I already feel like I am imposing with weighing and soaking the hay. There are 6 different people feeding on  regular basis.  I agree syringing it into her mouth would guarantee she gets the dose but  I can't be there everyday. I supposed if I moved the dose to night time i could be there more often.
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Marcy and Mocha 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Marcy%20and%20Mocha

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268259

Sorry, hit reply too soon. He's getting Metformin 1000mg. per tab at ten tabs twice a day. He is in work. Mostly long lining, but also ridden. 
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Rebecca
July 2009, Sacramento, California
Case History, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rebecca%20and%20Dutch%20-%20Snuggles/Dutch  .
Dutch Photos, https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=857  .

My Icelandic has been on Metformin for several months and it brought his insulin down from the dreaded Over 200 to 43.8 on his last test on 9/27/21.  I was just not quite clear how long to continue the Metformin.  I will test him again soon and if he is down to a fairly normal insulin level, do I continue the Metformin or not?
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Ferne Fedeli  Magic & Jack   2007

No. California
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Cindy, Oden, and Eeyore, North Texas
On ECIR protocol since 2/19
https://www.facebook.com/LifeWithOden/
History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Cindy%20and%20Oden
Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=91125

So sorry to read this Kelly!  Praying for peace and wisdom for you as you make these tough decisions.
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Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Hi Kim,
I just ordered some devil's claw from Amazon and I wonder if you could tell me how much you are feeding?  Midnight is stiff with arthritis but not at all lame and  loosens up and is still great on the trail.  She's done better since she was on the Uckele Devil's but she got "done" with the taste and stopped eating her supplements.  So I had planned to give her the ingredients without the filler.  She getting Yucca right now because I had some and I thought I'd add some turmeric until the devil's claw gets here but it sure sounds like you are having great success with the devil's claw by itself.  
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Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara

Martha,
I just wrap a handful of hay around the Prascend tablet and she eats it. As for the Benadryl she eats the pills Wright out of my hand among with a few tc Timothy balance cubes. Typical of cushings she is very hungry so her soaked hay is in hay bags to make her work for it and it lasts longer. 
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334

Checked bumps/ hives tonight and almost gone. Still some on back. Chicy does not like me to touch them. The ones with the scabs are still present. Gave more Benadryl tonight and 10 ml of APF. Should I continue the APF?
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334