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Re: DIXIE UPDATE

Sherry Morse
 

Soaking won't help with what Dixie's reacting to in the lucerne if that is an issue.  Not sue on the Devil's Claw dosage.  I thought I remembered reading it can be doubled, but I might be mis-remembering at this point.




Spookiness on Prescend #file-notice

 

Hi all.

My seven-year-old's pony, Chica was diagnosed with Cushing's in September 2021. Chica was getting her hock's done (she still loves to jump) and the vet said she has some signs of Cushings; cresty neck, patchy coat, overweight, somewhat lethargic (which I attributed to summer heat).

We had her tested and her ATCH levels were off the charts (although from what I've read test results might be impacted by the fact that she was getting her hock's done at the same time, as well as the season). My daughter rides Chica 5 days a week (1 jump day, 4 flat workdays) and Chica has no history of laminitis, lameness, etc. Chica has been an absolute bomb-proof pony although certainly sometimes sassy. We adore her and will pretty much do anything to keep her happy and healthy in her senior years.  Our vet recommended 1 tablet of Prescend every day. When asked about diet changes in addition to the medication (Chica has 1 grass, 1 alfalfa am and pm) he said it was not necessary.

We've had Chica on Prescend for about six weeks. The only change I've really noticed is that chica has become very spooky. It's surprising to both me and my daughter's trainer (who has known chica for 8 years prior to us buying her). Chica has always been a touch sassy but never spooky. It is not so acute that my daughter can't handle it--but it is concerning for me as a parent. I don't want it to escalate--I'm a bit of a stickler about safety on horses. I want Chica to be as comfortable and healthy as she can be, but I want my daughter to be safe on her too. 

I'm wondering about the possibility of taking Chica off the Prescend (or decreasing the dose significantly) and going a more natural route, specifically looking at dietary changes? I have her feet done every 4 weeks. Given that she is well exercised and has no history of laminitis I wonder if the Prescend might just be too much? Alternatively, perhaps this is just a normal part of the pony adjusting to the new hormones in her brain and we just need to give it some time?

I absolutely want to do the very best I can for this little pony. I'm not a horse person and am learning as I go. I am so grateful for any feedback or suggestions from those more knowledgeable and experienced. Many thanks. 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mercedes%20and%20Chica

Mercedes


Vinnie Update November 2021 - high tryglicerides again

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Hey all,

Vinnie started to get foot sore again on 10/30 and am still waiting on getting all.my lab results but preliminary his tryglicerides are high again at 481, glucose is 103.

He looks like a horse with unmanaged PPID at this time.  Even though his Sept labs indicates he was controlled on 1.8mg CP.  I have a suspicion that he goes longer into seasonal rise and may need a bump of CP by another 1.2mg.

He was on 175mg invokana,l daily, but based on his recent weight change, attitude change and lab results I have put his invokana dosage on hold for the last 2 days and plan to do so until ACTH and Insulin.come i so we can reassess.

I am extremely worried. He has pulses all around and endocrine response was high during acupuncture today.

This is all very reminiscent of his crash in March and the leading changes I witnessed in February.

Please keep him in your thoughts. 

I do need to update CH.

Thanks Nancy

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Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


L-glutamine safe for IR horses?

Anthie Booras
 

I’ve searched through the files and did not find much on L-glutamine. Searching the messages I’ve found mixed answers. One said yes it’s safe for EMS horses, but then in other posts it was said it is not safe for IR horses? Which is it? I was hoping to try it on my mare’s on/off not pretty poop problem. 
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- Anthie

Northern California
August 2015

Erin's case history: 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Anthie%20and%20Erin/

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=269097


Re: Deworming Strongid 2

Lorna Cane
 

Kandace,you can purchase unflavoured Strongid. That's always my first choice,but it's up to you.
Label should say what is used to give caramel flavouring.

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Lorna  in Eastern  Ontario
2002
Check out FAQ : https://www.ecirhorse.org/FAQ.php


Re: DIXIE UPDATE

Maxine McArthur
 

On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 06:17 AM, terrieheining wrote:
appears to me to be the texture of the Speedibeet without any chaff at all that turns Dixie off it. 
Terrie, my guys don’t like speedibeet without any chaff either. I’ve found adding a little soyhull pellets (Maxisoy) to the speedibeet can help. Soyhull pellets are safe and have a similar nutritional profile to beet pulp so shouldn’t affect your balancing. If removing the lucerne doesn’t change anything after a couple of weeks, you could go back to the chaff. It’s worth a try. 
 
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Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: DIXIE UPDATE

terrieheining
 

Thanks Bobbie. Much appreciated..

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Terrie H in Australia 2021
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terrie%20and%20Dixie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268416







Re: Time period to safely go without chewing on hay

 

I agree with Sherry that overnight in moderate temperatures, six hours without hay is fine. During the day or under cold weather conditions, I prefer to keep periods without hay in the belly to be no more than 2-3 hours. During a Wisconsin winter, you will need to feed to allow your horse to produce heat by digesting fiber. So these time periods are not hard and fast rules and vary with conditions. The best plan for an overweight horse IME is to divide hay into as many feedings a day as you can manage with 2-3 hour gaps between when hay is finished and the next hay is fed. Special rules for cold weather feeding are in the Files in this folder about hay: 


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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: DIXIE UPDATE

terrieheining
 

Thanks Sherry,
How much Devils Claw is it safe to give Dixie please. She is only 300kg and getting 2 tablespoons twice daily now.

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Terrie H in Australia 2021
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terrie%20and%20Dixie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268416







Re: 2nd try Re: Deworming Strongid 2

Sue Ring
 

Hey Kandace,

I used it and my horse colicked....it was the ONLY change made in the horse's diet that I could pinpoint after racking my brain and going over everything with my vet.  Will not use it again.
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Sue R in NC 2021

CASE HISTORY:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Shifty

PHOTO FILES: 


 


Re: DIXIE UPDATE

terrieheining
 

Thank you Martha. Carol swapped Dixie from soaked wheaten chaff to unsoaked lucerne chaff while she is working on her diet and she is aware of Dixies continuing discomfort so I will follow up with her again & see if I can maybe soak it overnight to pretty much remove everything as it appears to me to be the texture of the Speedibeet without any chaff at all that turns Dixie off it. 

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Terrie H in Australia 2021
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Terrie%20and%20Dixie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268416







Re: Looking for feedback on clouds vs Stratus boots

Patti SoCal 2020
 

Heather, I took my clouds to my local saddlery shop who was able to send them to their repair guy to put new Velcro on. That extended their life and they are working well.
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Patti
SoCal 2020                                                 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patti%20and%20Sunny 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/album?id=262934  


Re: New member

higardener
 

Hi Deanna -

So sorry to be confusing. I was not responding to your question - but probably putting my first post in the wrong spot.
Joined today and learning where everything is. Good luck with your husband's horse.


Re: Looking for feedback on clouds vs Stratus boots

Rhonda Turley
 

You can try www.hoofhelpcanada.ca   This is where I found Hoof Scoots to help my Scooter but they have other brands as well.
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Rhonda Turley
Brampton, Ontario
April 2020
Scooter and Rhonda     
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=258159


Re: Looking for feedback on clouds vs Stratus boots

bbolton@...
 

Hi Heather,
I live on Vancouver Island, so don't have the cold and snow you are dealing with. I have used both Clouds and Stratus boots. I found the Clouds spun on my horses 'bad' (clubby) foot. The Stratus boots are a bit heavier, but stay in place. The insert pad is FAR SUPERIOR and I would recommend them over the Clouds any day. They are very well made and have heavy duty velcro.
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Lynn, Dakhyri (IR), Khyara, (IR, PPID)
Duncan, BC  
2017


Looking for feedback on clouds vs Stratus boots

hdavis
 

I am needing another repair of boots for Rio for winter to protect her from winter laminitis. In the past I have used clouds and they have worked great as I waterproof them then add wools socks, felt liners with reflective material in them and then a shipping boot on top. 


The boots have helped up well except now the Velcro is no longer sticky anymore and won’t keep the boots on her feet. I can get wrap them but it’s a pain to re wrap them each time I need to change her socks and what not.  


I found some stratus boots but wondered if they might be better and wanted people’s feedback on them.  They are leather and a bit heavier so not sure about that either especially when we get lots of snow where I live.  TIA
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Heather
August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada

Riosa 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Riosa

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 


Storm

Case History


 




Re: New member

Deanna Avery
 

Thank you for the response to my question! I have the same philosophy as this group regarding caring for both conditions. This is my husband‘s horse and the vet suggested Metformin straight away. This really has bothered me a lot. The side effects when reading the insert to metformin include G.I. disturbances and kidney side effects. I share this with my husband and he continues to use the Metformin . I will forward the answer you sent and hopefully he will read it and reconsider


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Davery ; Southwest Washington; 2021


Re: Diet questions

Kirsten Rasmussen
 
Edited

Hi Kate,

Orchard grass is fine, but it should be soaked until you have wet chemistry hay test results back showing ESC+starch are <10%.  Some horses need that cut off to be even lower, but you won't know until you feed it and see if insulin goes up or your horse gets footsore.  We recommend the 603 Trainer test at Equi-Analytical, or its "wet chemistry" equivalent elsewhere. 

No horse should be eating only alfalfa hay due to the high calcium content, and some IR horses can't tolerate even the smallest amount of it.  LMF Low NSC is not guaranteed to be below 10% s+s; better to switch to Triple Crown Timothy Balance cubes if you want a safe treat for him.  Whether the Platinum Performance CJ is a good choice or not depends mostly on your hay analysis.  It certainly is not correcting the Ca:P imbalance feeding alfalfa causes, and it has some ingredients that can be a problem for IR horses, such as rice bran and molasses.  Once you have your hay tested, you can hire one of our approved hay balancers to help you pick the best commercial mineral supplement or design your own custom supplement.  The balancers on our list were trained by Dr Kellon and understand how to design diets for horses with metabolic issues.

I use a digital suitcase scale and a big plastic bucket to weigh hay with.  The weight you feed depends on your horse's weight, and whether or not they need to lose weight.  20lbs should maintain a 1000 lb horse that does not need to lose weight.  An arab's ideal body weight could be significantly lower than that though as they tend to be lean, fine-boned and not tall, so 20 lbs is on the high side.  We need more info to help you determine what weight of forage to feed.  You also need to include the weight of your 'extras', like the beet pulp, LMF, etc into the total forage weight.

I grind 1-2 weeks worth of flax in my Vitamix, then store it in the fridge.

It would be great if you could post a case history and some photos so we can help you better.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: DIXIE UPDATE

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Hi Terrie,

I didn't see any mention of abscesses or how much bute she has been given and for how long.    Can you add that history?
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Low sugar tested Grass/Alfalfa question….

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

I'll just add to Martha's reply that alfalfa is high in calcium so feeding too much of it can lead to a relative phosphorous deficiency.  Since horses do NOT like the taste of phosphorous in their minerals, it can be hard to correct the deficiency.

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Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album

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