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Re: Is it safe for Khan try prascend/pergolide (Dr. Kellon please weigh-in thank you)

 

I have a questions about varying levels of ACTH, can that also influence baseline insulin levels? If baseline ACTH is wnl, would that correspond with possible lower levels of Insulin? And when ACTH levels are higher, could that correspond with higher baseline insulin levels? 
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Mary and Halo (Heavenly Halo), Wellon (IR) and Tsjibbe (IR, PPID) and Lady Di (PPID, IR)

West Fargo, ND, USA

Joined April 2016

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tsjibbe

Halo's Case History

Halo's Photos


Re: Giving Back -- Giving Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Nancy C
 

Hi Deb

Thanks for your support.  Try this.

https://support.mightycause.com/hc/en-us/articles/360015176772-How-to-Set-Up-and-Manage-Your-Recurring-Donation-on-Mightycause

Thanks again. A million thanks.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021

Recordings of the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference released to attendees 09.03.21.
Veterinary Professional CE certification hours submitted to AAVSB Race 09.08.21
2021 NO Laminitis! Conference Video Recordings available to new subscribers 11.09.21
  www.nolaminitis.org



Re: Giving Back -- Giving Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Suzanne and Pilgrim
 

Hi Nancy,

Can you please give me some info on how I can donate to ECIR.
I am awestruck by the goodwill and work ethic of the ECIR volunteers.
So thankful!

Suzanne Regnier-Tront


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Suzanne and Pilgrim
Joined March 2019
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzanne%20and%20Pilgrim
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90935


Re: Giving Back -- Giving Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Deb Walker
 

Hi Nancy - Can you please send me the link to change my credit card settings for my monthly donation? I've searched and can't find it. My credit card had a fraud alert and I need to change # to the new card. Thank you in advance...
Deb Walker


On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 11:10 AM Nancy C <threecatfarm@...> wrote:

Dear ECIR Group Members --

If you’re reading this, you have likely benefited from the free services available through the ECIR Group Inc. Maybe you received direct help from one of our volunteers; perhaps you discovered and implemented useful protocols from our files; or maybe you learned valuable information by following the story of other members and their equines.

Everything you have learned from the ECIR Group Inc. is a direct result of the work of our hard-working volunteers. I’m blown away at the fact that the volunteers here on our free outreach group have handled an average of 1,122 messages PER MONTH this year! These messages come from and go to people in 33 countries seeking help for their horses, donkeys, ponies and mules. What might not be as evident is the work that goes on outside of this free outreach group. One of our largest projects this year was putting on the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference.

Even though we are an all-volunteer group, there are costs associated with what we do. That’s why I’m writing to you to ask you to consider a small monthly donation to the ECIR Group Inc.

To those of you already donating monthly, we are most grateful. We’re also most grateful to those of you who make one-time donations, either end-of-year, in honor of a beloved equine, or because you feel moved to help. If you’re not currently donating to ECIR, I hope you’ll consider making a donation now. Whether it’s $5/month or $50/month, no amount is too small (or too large!). We’ve only retained 35% of the donors we had in the beginning of 2021, so we definitely have some catching up to do.

Giving Tuesday is today, so there’s no time like the present to pledge your support to the ECIR Group Inc. Our ultimate goal is very personal to most of us here – the prevention of laminitis. Through hard work and education, we are making progress! If you’d like to make a tax-deductible donation, go here: https://bit.ly/2J5xhKo. To make your donation monthly, please click on the monthly option. 

On behalf of the ECIR Group Inc. Board of Directors, thank you so much for your consideration of this request. 

--
Fran Metzger in Texas

ECIR Group Inc. Board of Directors

7-2005

Tinker, Dancer, and Ford (over the bridge)

Ford Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Ford

Tinker Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Tinker

Tinker Photos: CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album
Dancer Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Dancer%20Case%20History.pdf


--
Nancy C in NH for Fran M
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021


2021 NO Laminitis! Conference Video Recordings available to new subscribers 11.09.21
  www.nolaminitis.org



--
Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Relevante Test Results Following Vet Visit - Question

Lynn
 

I got Relevante's test results back following the vet's visit.  Dr. K had recommended waiting until the vet visit and subsequent test results [ and to see if his foot soreness resolved now that we are coming out of the seasonal rise]. My vet agreed his foot soreness appears to be gone at this point and he said I could ride/exercise him. He did however say that although the crest itself appears normal in profile, when he put his hands on either side of the crest he said he still felt some thickness. And somehow the boy managed to gain 15 lbs. [not sure how that's possible as he is practically an air plant now]. I assume it's due to his enforced downtime. The vet also said to continue soaking hay.

Here are his numbers through the rise concluding with those just taken...
ACTH 
June 2021 - 19.4 pg/mL
Nov 2021 - 24.4 pg/mL

Insulin
August 5, 2021 - 44.74 ulU/ml
August 31, 2021 - 18.71 ulU/ml
Nov 2021 - 28.25 ulU/ml

Both ACTH and insulin have gone up. Since nothing has changed in his diet [as we are continuing to soak hay] is it plausible to think that because his ACTH is elevated [does this mean it is not controlled?] that it's driving the insulin up? And should I consider adding a 1/4 of Prascend tablet to his 2 mg compounded pergolide dose to see if that improves his numbers? And if so, when should I test again? Or do I just continue to monitor and get the exercise going again? His test results, record of vaccinations [he never has an adverse reaction to them] and his case history are loaded and up to date.

--
Lynn
Beavercreek, Ohio
March 2018
Relevante Case History
Relevante Photo Album

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Re: Is it safe for Khan try prascend/pergolide (Dr. Kellon please weigh-in thank you)

 

Hi Jessica,
My first thought is that I guess that addresses the question you asked, many posts earlier.  We’re interested in her ACTH because high ACTH can result in high insulin, which can cause laminitis.  Elevated ACTH itself does not cause laminitis.  My horse, Logo, had PPID which was difficult to control but never did he have elevated insulin, nor laminitis.  If Khan’s insulin is not elevated because of your management, then good for you.  It’s important to keep it that way, but giving pergolide will not do the job for you.
My second thought is that your case history needs updating, not only with the new labs but with everything else that has happened in the last three months.  I know I have asked about the omeprazole and bute she was getting and you’ve replied but that should be a signal that your case history needs an update.  I honestly can’t remember your answer.
My third thought would be that it’s time to start a new thread on improving Khan’s comfort through booting and improved trimming.  If you can’t find a trimmer who is willing to follow Lavinia’s advice, you could do it yourself, as many others here have done.  I feel a bit weird suggesting this as I’m not one of them but those who have seem to make good progress.
And my fourth (and final for now) is wondering what your thoughts are.  
--
Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: Is it safe for Khan try prascend/pergolide (Dr. Kellon please weigh-in thank you)

Jessica Gunderson
 

I uploaded Khans interm Cornell results, looks like Cushings to me, not high insulin.  Thoughts?
beta1-vv (groups.io)
--
Jessica and Khan
N.D., 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jessica%20and%20Khan
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | AlbumCaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album


Re: Hay analysis -needs to be soaked or not for a EMS horse please

Maxine McArthur
 

Andrea, is this a ryegrass hay? The only time I’ve seen WSC that much higher than ESC was with ryegrass. Also, does the lab report say what method was used to test ESC? Some members have found that NIR testing may return lower ESC values than wet chem testing on the same hay—so if your ESC was done by NIR, it may actually be higher  than 8.5%. 
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Unusual winter coat

Maxine McArthur
 

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 02:46 AM, Katherine Bartlett wrote:
I can put a picture in the files but I can't figure out how. 
--
Hi Katie
instructions for creating a photo album were sent to you when you joined, along with how to create a case history. There are also instructions in the Wiki here: 
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/wiki/1474

Basically, you go to the ‘photos’ tab in the case history group and create a photo album then upload from your device in the same way you uploaded your case history.
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Unusual winter coat

Jennifer Green
 


Giving Back -- Giving Tuesday, November 30, 2021

Nancy C
 

Dear ECIR Group Members --

If you’re reading this, you have likely benefited from the free services available through the ECIR Group Inc. Maybe you received direct help from one of our volunteers; perhaps you discovered and implemented useful protocols from our files; or maybe you learned valuable information by following the story of other members and their equines.

Everything you have learned from the ECIR Group Inc. is a direct result of the work of our hard-working volunteers. I’m blown away at the fact that the volunteers here on our free outreach group have handled an average of 1,122 messages PER MONTH this year! These messages come from and go to people in 33 countries seeking help for their horses, donkeys, ponies and mules. What might not be as evident is the work that goes on outside of this free outreach group. One of our largest projects this year was putting on the 2021 NO Laminitis! Conference.

Even though we are an all-volunteer group, there are costs associated with what we do. That’s why I’m writing to you to ask you to consider a small monthly donation to the ECIR Group Inc.

To those of you already donating monthly, we are most grateful. We’re also most grateful to those of you who make one-time donations, either end-of-year, in honor of a beloved equine, or because you feel moved to help. If you’re not currently donating to ECIR, I hope you’ll consider making a donation now. Whether it’s $5/month or $50/month, no amount is too small (or too large!). We’ve only retained 35% of the donors we had in the beginning of 2021, so we definitely have some catching up to do.

Giving Tuesday is today, so there’s no time like the present to pledge your support to the ECIR Group Inc. Our ultimate goal is very personal to most of us here – the prevention of laminitis. Through hard work and education, we are making progress! If you’d like to make a tax-deductible donation, go here: https://bit.ly/2J5xhKo. To make your donation monthly, please click on the monthly option. 

On behalf of the ECIR Group Inc. Board of Directors, thank you so much for your consideration of this request. 

--
Fran Metzger in Texas

ECIR Group Inc. Board of Directors

7-2005

Tinker, Dancer, and Ford (over the bridge)

Ford Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Ford

Tinker Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Tinker

Tinker Photos: CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Album
Dancer Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Fran%20and%20Ford%20-Tinker/Dancer%20Case%20History.pdf


--
Nancy C in NH for Fran M
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021


2021 NO Laminitis! Conference Video Recordings available to new subscribers 11.09.21
  www.nolaminitis.org



Re: Hay analysis -needs to be soaked or not for a EMS horse please

Andrea Thomason
 

Thanks Martha, I’m busy updating my case history.  It should be live tomorrow with the hay analysis. 

Many thx 
--
Andrea Thomason 
Cheshire, UK
Joined 2021


Re: Unusual winter coat

Katherine Bartlett
 

His bloodwork was done while he was on his regular diet of hay and timothy pellets. My vet doesn't have me fast the horse unless they are getting grain. 

I can put a picture in the files but I can't figure out how. 
--
Katie
August 2018, Elverson Pa
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Katie%20and%20Rosalien


Re: Teff & Lucerne Cubes

Tori & Floss
 

Thanks Maxine.
Yes it is Multicube :-(
--
Tori

 

December, 2016

Adelaide Australia

Case History  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Tori%20and%20Floss 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=3347

 

 

 


Re: Unusual winter coat

Frances C
 

I'm familiar with these winter coat circular raised patches. I call them winter dapples. They do seem to occur in horses that dapple out in their summer coats.
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Unusual winter coat

Maxine McArthur
 

Katie, I have seen this before, in a horse with PPID before he was medicated and put on a mineral supplement balanced to his hay. According to the owner it has now resolved and his coat is flat. Not suggesting your 4 year-old is PPID, but it might be worthwhile going over his diet carefully again to make sure it's as tight and as well-balanced as possible. 
--
Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID)

Canberra, Australia 2010
ECIR Primary Response

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=933

 


Re: Where to add info on hay analysis and how to find my case history to add in blood work results and a few more questions

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Patti,

As always, if it's a PDF it goes in your case history file.  If it's a JPG it goes in your photo album.  Was the test done via wet chem or NIR?  You need to update the version of the case history you saved on your device although since you uploaded a word doc and not a PDF you can download the word doc in your case history folder to update it (I would recommend saving it as the current version and then saving an updated version on your device). Once you update the Word document you should save it as a PDF and then upload the PDF to your case history folder.

Why are you wanting to use Sand Clear?




Re: Unusual winter coat

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Katie,

Was his bloodwork done fasting or not fasting?  Can you post a picture of his current coat in a photo album so we can see it.
--

Thanks,
Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge)
EC Primary Response

PA 2014

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet/Scutch%20Case%20History.pdf

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891

 


Where to add info on hay analysis and how to find my case history to add in blood work results and a few more questions

Dancer's Mom
 

HI!  Please let me know where I can add in our new hay analysis.  The barn owner says I don't have to soak hay with this new shipment of hay, but I need someone official to tell me if I still need to soak my hay or not.  And, I need to add in Dancer's blood work results to her case history but struggling on how to find it and how to revise with most recent info.  Also, Dancer's over due for vaccines and need to know when it's ok to update the vaccines.  And, if I can give her Sand Clear or what type of product like that, can I give her.  Thank you in advance for your info.  I'm really stuck .  Thanks so much.  Sincerely, Patti and Dancer
--
Patti
Northern California 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Patti%20and%20Dancer


Re: Unusual winter coat

Katherine Bartlett
 

Yes, that's what it looks like - as if he has hives, but when I feel his coat, everything is flat. I would not have said he has dapples but the raised patches are in a dapple pattern, just all the same color. 
--
Katie
August 2018, Elverson Pa
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Katie%20and%20Rosalien

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