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The following files have been uploaded to the Files area of the main@ECIR.groups.io group.

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Special Diagnostic Bloodwork Values & Physical Evaluation considerations for ACTH and other parameters in clinically healthy donkeys and mules (insulin, triglycerides, glucose, fructosamines, and ɣ-GT)


Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives

 

Speedibeet is guaranteed low ESC but it still needs rinsing for iron. It’s expensive in NorCal. It’s very fine textured like BP from pellets. Maybe Vinnie would like that. I need to use hot water to get the pellets to saturate and break apart before rinsing, so it’s almost a process of soaking before rinsing.

Did you try adding a cup of Stabul1 to the BP?  
--
Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Timothy Cubes

Aurelio Henriques
 

Yes, I can confirm, the Timothy Balance cubes are still available in the Ontario Dehy bag as well, in many States, as before.
There are some supply chain delays presently due to the trucking shortage and the deep freeze at the plant but we are working through these and will get back to normalcy very soon. 

Many thanks

Aurelio Henriques,
Goderich Ontario Canada
Aurelio Henriques
Ontario Dehy Inc.
On 01/11/2022 6:18 PM, Deb Walker wrote:

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
6:03am  
I'm not sure if this is still the case but Ontario Dehy also used to have US distributors that they supplied directly. If having trouble finding the cubes, contact Aurelio at Ontario Dehy.
Yes. My feed dealer gets them regularly from his supplier. This is in NW Illinois. I would be afraid to try anything else from another feed manufacturer.
--
Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Just diagnosed PPID

Dawn Hernandez
 

Thank you so much!

I’m curious about such a high number in the post ACTH-TRH Response. Isn’t 967 really high? 



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Dawn Marie & Dalli
Eliot, ME

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Dalli

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271623



Re: Just diagnosed PPID

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Dawn,

Ok, now that we know he wasn't fasted for testing his results are indicative of IR but not terrible (if he'd been fasted 18 would be a high result for insulin).  An insulin level of 80+ is the danger zone for acute laminitis. 

At 10 hands I'd want to see him at no more than 300 - 325 pounds so your assessment of him being slightly overweight goes along with that.  You do want to keep his diet at no more than 6lbs a day unless he starts to lose too much weight on that amount so that means you do need to know how much the hay and cubes really weigh.  Cubes are usually fed at a 3:4 ratio to hay as they're more calorie dense so that's just something to keep in mind as well.   

Very curious to hear what your vet says about age.




Re: Donkey Folder in the Files

Nancy C
 

Hi Sally

We need a document with whatever you want on it, links, paragraphs, what have you, to load into the file.

Thanks for your help.
--
Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2020-2021



Re: Jiaogulan extract

Kirsten Rasmussen
 

Hi Maria,

I was thinking that since we dose to effect with the powder using the pinkness of the gums to monitor it, you would probably do the same and try to find a therapeutic dose with the extract.  At least you can start by assuming extract is 5x more concentrated.

--
Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019
Kitimat, BC, Canada
ECIR Group Moderator
 
Shaku's Case History
Shaku's Photo Album


Re: Feeding Straw

Starshine Ranch
 

Thank you Dr K and All... So glad I never tried it and now I never will.
--
Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Donkey Folder in the Files

larkstabatha
 

Hi Nancy... I am sorry I was not more clear in my earlier request to start a Donkey folder in the Files section.  Please add a link to this article, which originally came from Dr. Kellon's message #272385

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jpn.13279.  Diagnostic orientation values for ACTH and other parameters for clinically healthy donkeys and mules (insulin, triglycerides, glucose, fructosamines, and ɣ-GT)

I am also thinking it would be helpful to rename this same folder something like Donkey & Mule Specific Information  if that makes sense to you all.

I still owe you a draft on the information about Hyperlipidemia to also be included in this folder.

I thank you,  Sally Stults

--
Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie 

  

 

 


Re: NEW Mule and owner need support please

larkstabatha
 

Hi Marlene... I am very sorry to add to your confusion, I thought this link from Wiley's Online LIbrary had already been placed in the new Donkey folder in the Files, which is coming from Dr. Kellon's Message #272385.  I will email Nancy C to request that it be added if she does not catch this here. I am thinking the name of the new Donkey folder ought to be revised to be Donkeys and Mule Information if Nancy agrees...

I am also working on a draft of another bit of information to be included in this Files folder to talk about hyperlipidemia in Donkeys that is of special concern when first introducing them to Pergolide/Prascend.  Can anyone more familiar with Mules tell me if Mules are also more susceptible to this condition when compared to horses? 

DiagnosticValuesForDonkeysAndMules

My best, Sally
Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie 

  

 

 


Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Nancy, I have tried two different brands, but just looked up Speedi Beet.  Do you have to rinse and soak and rinse this brand too? It seems lIke it may be pre -rinsed? 
--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Feeding Straw

Alice
 

I saw the same article but figured there was more to the story. Thank you Dr. Kellon for filling in the rest of the information!. 
--
Alice A
March 2021, Custer, SD 
Case history: 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alice%20and%20Peanut   .
Peanut's photo album: 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=262374  .


Re: Feeding Straw

Bobbie Day
 

Linda
Here is a interesting article from Dr. Kellon
I’ve really never understood why anyone recommends straw for food.


--
Bobbie and Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21) 
Utah, Nov 2018
NRC Plus 2020, NAT, C&IR March 2021
ECIR Group Primary Response 


https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi 

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821


Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives

Nancy Kitchen
 

Hi Nancy
Maybe this has been suggested but
Perhaps if possible try a different brand of Beet Pulp.  My horses all readily eat Speedi Beet but turned their noses up at the shreds.  I have used Blue Seal BP pellets in a pinch and they like those too.
--
Nancy K
Smoke and Tucky
November 2018, Southeast, MA

Smoke Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Smoke
Smoke Photo Album:    https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94122
Tucky Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Tuck 
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Re: Feeding Straw

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

https://wp.me/p2WBdh-Yu

Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Whole Chia Seeds and Fecal Water Syndrome

Starshine Ranch
 

OMG!  That picture puts it all in perspective.  Thank you!
--
Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Feeding Straw

Starshine Ranch
 

In the latest issue of Equus magazine, there was an article about using wheat straw for up to 50% of a horse's diet to help with weight control.  It was aimed at overweight horses to help prevent laminitis or other problems.  My vet has suggested wheat straw for my PPID/IR horse who has been overweight for a big part of her life and who has been free fed for the last 4 or 5 years because she is prone to colic.  In the article they discuss all the benefits, the nutrition factors and suggest there is no reason not to.  They also suggested that not all straw is the same and that some may not be as low in "WSC" .
I'd truly love a tool that could help me help her lose weight but I've resisted feeding straw because I am concerned that it could cause an impaction, especially in a horse whose dorsal displacement never fully corrected itself after 2 colics.
I would love some input if anyone has good information.


--
Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives

Nancy & Vinnie & Summer
 

Thanks Cass! I don't rinse for 30 mins, I do soak for 30 mins to 1 hr after an initial rinse. But then once soaked I fill a container about three to four times to rinse until the water runs clear.  I could try testing like you suggest.

I have also tried removing hay by lb and cubes etc but he will.go off even eating beet pulp and I am not sure that is prudent. Once I get past 4 cups total per day he decides he won't eat it at all. 

I am hoping others will chime in that are using one of the SGLT2 inhibitors to share what is working for them too. What feeds and processes are working to keep TG in check.

Vinnie may be the anomaly and I am ok to accept that but hoping for some ideas 💡

Thanks in advance ☺ 
--
Nancy and Vinnie and Summer
Oakley, Ca
Joined Nov 2018
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855

Summer
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer 
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104


Re: Lavinia - new mark-ups request

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Got it, Kathy.

Will have those to you in time for the farrier visit.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Just diagnosed PPID

Dawn Hernandez
 

Hi Sherry,

I wanted to have the Metabolic panel done due to his laminitis. He was also excessively drinking when I first brought him home.
He is 40” tall, slightly overweight, no fat pockets. He gets just a handful of cubes. My best guess is that he gets 1lb daily. I just purchased a scale and will get an accurate weight on his feed. He is not on pasture.

thanks, Dawn 
--
Dawn Marie & Dalli
Eliot, ME

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Dalli

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