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File /Donkey and Mule Specific Information/Animal Physiology Nutrition - 2020 - Gehlen - Diagnostic orientation values for ACTH and other parameters for clinically.pdf uploaded
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Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives
Speedibeet is guaranteed low ESC but it still needs rinsing for iron. It’s expensive in NorCal. It’s very fine textured like BP from pellets. Maybe Vinnie would like that. I need to use hot water to get the pellets to saturate and break apart before rinsing, so it’s almost a process of soaking before rinsing.
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Re: Timothy Cubes
Aurelio Henriques
Yes, I can confirm, the Timothy Balance cubes are still available in
the Ontario Dehy bag as well, in many States, as before.
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There are some supply chain delays presently due to the trucking shortage and the deep freeze at the plant but we are working through these and will get back to normalcy very soon. Many thanks Aurelio Henriques, Goderich Ontario Canada Aurelio Henriques Ontario Dehy Inc. On 01/11/2022 6:18 PM, Deb Walker
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Eleanor Kellon, VMDYes. My feed dealer gets them regularly from his supplier. This is in NW Illinois. I would be afraid to try anything else from another feed manufacturer.
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Re: Just diagnosed PPID
Thank you so much!
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Re: Just diagnosed PPID
Sherry Morse
Hi Dawn, Ok, now that we know he wasn't fasted for testing his results are indicative of IR but not terrible (if he'd been fasted 18 would be a high result for insulin). An insulin level of 80+ is the danger zone for acute laminitis. At 10 hands I'd want to see him at no more than 300 - 325 pounds so your assessment of him being slightly overweight goes along with that. You do want to keep his diet at no more than 6lbs a day unless he starts to lose too much weight on that amount so that means you do need to know how much the hay and cubes really weigh. Cubes are usually fed at a 3:4 ratio to hay as they're more calorie dense so that's just something to keep in mind as well. Very curious to hear what your vet says about age.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Re: Donkey Folder in the Files
Hi Sally
We need a document with whatever you want on it, links, paragraphs, what have you, to load into the file. Thanks for your help. -- Nancy C in NH ECIR Moderator 2003 ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer 2020-2021
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Re: Jiaogulan extract
Hi Maria,
I was thinking that since we dose to effect with the powder using the pinkness of the gums to monitor it, you would probably do the same and try to find a therapeutic dose with the extract. At least you can start by assuming extract is 5x more concentrated. -- Kirsten and Shaku (IR + PPID) - 2019 Kitimat, BC, Canada ECIR Group Moderator Shaku's Photo Album
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Re: Feeding Straw
Starshine Ranch
Thank you Dr K and All... So glad I never tried it and now I never will.
-- Linda in CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara
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Donkey Folder in the Files
larkstabatha
Hi Nancy... I am sorry I was not more clear in my earlier request to start a Donkey folder in the Files section. Please add a link to this article, which originally came from Dr. Kellon's message #272385
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/jpn.13279. Diagnostic orientation values for ACTH and other parameters
for clinically healthy donkeys and mules (insulin, triglycerides,
glucose, fructosamines, and ɣ-GT)
I am also thinking it would be helpful to rename this same folder something like Donkey & Mule Specific Information if that makes sense to you all.
I still owe you a draft on the information about Hyperlipidemia to also be included in this folder.
I thank you, Sally Stults
-- Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie
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Re: NEW Mule and owner need support please
larkstabatha
Hi Marlene... I am very sorry to add to your confusion, I thought this link from Wiley's Online LIbrary had already been placed in the new Donkey folder in the Files, which is coming from Dr. Kellon's Message #272385. I will email Nancy C to request that it be added if she does not catch this here. I am thinking the name of the new Donkey folder ought to be revised to be Donkeys and Mule Information if Nancy agrees...
I am also working on a draft of another bit of information to be included in this Files folder to talk about hyperlipidemia in Donkeys that is of special concern when first introducing them to Pergolide/Prascend. Can anyone more familiar with Mules tell me if Mules are also more susceptible to this condition when compared to horses? DiagnosticValuesForDonkeysAndMules My best, Sally Sally in Big Park, Arizona/April 2013 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sally%20with%20Tabby%20and%20Maisie
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Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives
Thanks Nancy, I have tried two different brands, but just looked up Speedi Beet. Do you have to rinse and soak and rinse this brand too? It seems lIke it may be pre -rinsed?
-- Nancy and Vinnie and Summer Oakley, Ca Joined Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855 Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104
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Re: Feeding Straw
I saw the same article but figured there was more to the story. Thank you Dr. Kellon for filling in the rest of the information!.
-- Alice A March 2021, Custer, SD Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Alice%20and%20Peanut . Peanut's photo album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=262374 .
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Re: Feeding Straw
Bobbie Day
Linda
Here is a interesting article from Dr. Kellon I’ve really never understood why anyone recommends straw for food. -- Bobbie and Desi (over the rainbow bridge 7/21) Utah, Nov 2018 NRC Plus 2020, NAT, C&IR March 2021 ECIR Group Primary Response https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Bobbie%20and%20Desi https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78821
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Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives
Nancy Kitchen
Hi Nancy
Maybe this has been suggested but Perhaps if possible try a different brand of Beet Pulp. My horses all readily eat Speedi Beet but turned their noses up at the shreds. I have used Blue Seal BP pellets in a pinch and they like those too. -- Nancy K Smoke and Tucky November 2018, Southeast, MA Smoke Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Smoke Smoke Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94122 Tucky Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Tuck Tucky Photo Album:
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Re: Feeding Straw
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Re: Whole Chia Seeds and Fecal Water Syndrome
Starshine Ranch
OMG! That picture puts it all in perspective. Thank you!
-- Linda in CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara
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Feeding Straw
Starshine Ranch
In the latest issue of Equus magazine, there was an article about using wheat straw for up to 50% of a horse's diet to help with weight control. It was aimed at overweight horses to help prevent laminitis or other problems. My vet has suggested wheat straw for my PPID/IR horse who has been overweight for a big part of her life and who has been free fed for the last 4 or 5 years because she is prone to colic. In the article they discuss all the benefits, the nutrition factors and suggest there is no reason not to. They also suggested that not all straw is the same and that some may not be as low in "WSC" .
I'd truly love a tool that could help me help her lose weight but I've resisted feeding straw because I am concerned that it could cause an impaction, especially in a horse whose dorsal displacement never fully corrected itself after 2 colics. I would love some input if anyone has good information. -- Linda in CA 2020 Midnight and Ostara https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara
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Re: Invokana, RSR Beet Pulp and Alternatives
Thanks Cass! I don't rinse for 30 mins, I do soak for 30 mins to 1 hr after an initial rinse. But then once soaked I fill a container about three to four times to rinse until the water runs clear. I could try testing like you suggest.
I have also tried removing hay by lb and cubes etc but he will.go off even eating beet pulp and I am not sure that is prudent. Once I get past 4 cups total per day he decides he won't eat it at all. I am hoping others will chime in that are using one of the SGLT2 inhibitors to share what is working for them too. What feeds and processes are working to keep TG in check. Vinnie may be the anomaly and I am ok to accept that but hoping for some ideas 💡 Thanks in advance ☺ -- Nancy and Vinnie and Summer Oakley, Ca Joined Nov 2018 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=245855 Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Vinnie/Summer https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=249104
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Re: Lavinia - new mark-ups request
Lavinia Fiscaletti
Got it, Kathy.
Will have those to you in time for the farrier visit. -- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR
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Re: Just diagnosed PPID
Hi Sherry,
I wanted to have the Metabolic panel done due to his laminitis. He was also excessively drinking when I first brought him home. He is 40” tall, slightly overweight, no fat pockets. He gets just a handful of cubes. My best guess is that he gets 1lb daily. I just purchased a scale and will get an accurate weight on his feed. He is not on pasture. thanks, Dawn -- Dawn Marie & Dalli Eliot, ME https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Dawn%20and%20Dalli https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271623
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