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Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

20% off Uckele products until midnight for St. Patrick's day.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Omeprazole contraindications for PPID horse

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The only contraindication is mixing it with phenylbutazone.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Acetyl-L-Carnitine

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 


Omeprazole contraindications for PPID horse

Sue Ring
 

Hello,

I searched in files but could only find the mention of possible contraindications for a PPID horse for omeprazole, but no specifics.  Vet has prescribed omeprazole 1 X daily in AM, and Shifty is being fed 5# of soaked TC Timothy Balance cubed divided into 2 feedings daily.  Feedings include the cubes, 2 handfuls TC Sr for flavor, 1/2 tsp electrolytes, 1/3 Tbsp salt, 1/3 cup ground golden flaxseed, 1/2 scoop Phyto Quench, 1/2 scoop Fast Track probiotics, 8 ml APF given orally, separately in PM.  Hay has been tested and balance mix from Horse Tech is also being fed.  Both feed mixes are fed completely soaked.  Horse receives 3 mg of Pracend daily.  Thanks so much for any information you can provide.
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Sue R in NC 2021

CASE HISTORY:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sue%20and%20Shifty

PHOTO FILES: 


 


Acetyl-L-Carnitine

Yvonne
 

Where can I buy Acetyl-L-Carnitine in BC?  Has anyone had any luck with it?  thank you
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Yvonne
Rego Terrace BC 2022


Re: Stupid questions I am too embarrassed to ask or go against the status quo

Nancy C
 

Every year as we stumble along to bringing in new hay, getting it tested, getting tightly balanced minerals on board, my black EMS TWH gets funky coloring. It takes less that a month for this to happen.  Once he's back on tightly balanced minerals he reverts back to his wonderful black self. About the same amount of time. My PPID QH suffers intensely from reaction to bugs at the same time.  His ability to correct takes a season change.

I have tried extra Cu and Zn but not seen good results until the mineral balance is back in their systems.
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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: Stupid questions I am too embarrassed to ask or go against the status quo

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Sorrel/chestnut, palomino, dun have primarily copper based pigments and bay/black requires both copper and zinc. Deficiency is a combination of intake and stored mineral so no set time. Hay analysis is the most accurate way to determine deficiency.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Stupid questions I am too embarrassed to ask or go against the status quo

Frances C
 

See thread on palatable copper and zinc. I have 3 horses, two of them PPID both coming 20 and both pintos, one is a sorrel and the other bay. I also have a black mustang coming 8. She is showing signs of a copper deficiency in that her coat is showing a coppery color in patches. This first showed up last summer. All the horses have basically the same diet and have been together for about 4 years. The black mustang and the bay pinto mare had a very deprived beginning as foals. I am assuming that the black pigmentation has a higher requirement of copper. Is this correct? 
How long does it take for a copper deficiency to show up by observation? Years?
How to determine if the two pintos are also suffering a copper deficiency by observation?
Do wild black mustangs mostly show signs of copper deficiency?
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: Palatable Copper and Zinc

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Frances,

Make a paste of it with oil and syringe in right before feeding. After 2 days, start adding to her feed (she'll have the taste in her mouth).
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Palatable Copper and Zinc

Frances C
 

I too would like suggestions on how to get zinc and copper into my horse. I originally got Ukelele poly copper and zinc for Phoenix (a picky eater). Even starting with just a pinch of the stuff made her turn up her nose at her feed. So I gave up on this and it sat on the shelf. Along comes second horse, Blackbird, on obvious need of zinc/copper. (see stupid questions thread on obvious need). So started off again with just a pinch. She (a greedy eater) left her feed. Next step was to encapsulate appropriate amounts in capsules of the Ukelele product. I guess she smashed a capsule with her teeth as she turned to the metal panel grasped it firmly and shook the hell out of it. OK - nix on the capsule idea. Now looking at increasing via natural forms - not minerals - For zinc I have purchased human tabs as follows:
Solaray amino acid chelate ZINC COPPER with kelp and pumkin seed zinc. 50 mg. Copper 2 mg
Zahler Zinc Lozenges - Bioactive Zinc and Elderberry - zinc 25 mg Elderberry 100 mg.
Thompson  - zinc 50 mg.
If I administer 3 tabs of the Thompson and 1 each of the Zahler and Solaray that would be 225 mg of zinc. - I have not tried this yet because I cant find anything for the copper. Also everything seems to have a lot of iron in it. I did start with adding a little bit of spirulina, a teaspoon at a time to see if she will accept it. What suggestions does anyone have?
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- Frances C.
December 2017, Washington & California
Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix
Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382


Re: New-ish Member questions

Mialisa@...
 

hmmm...I will double check on that date. I will be updating the case histories and will check on that too. Thanks! 
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Rene` in WI 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Isaac
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Joshua


Re: Requesting advice about Fizzie's trim

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Have you had his insulin and ACTH tested? The ACTH needs to be mid or low normal in a laminitic animal. He has lost about half of his RF coffin bone so don't expect him moving at much more than a walk but because he's small  there's hope. Trim definitely can use some work https://hoofrehab.com/Pete%20Ramey%20presentation%20%232-%20No%20Laminitis%20Conf.pdf but you also have to control his hormones. If insulin is high, consider ertugliflozin https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-019-1811-2
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Requesting advice about Fizzie's trim

Mandy Charmam
 

Dear all

Fizzie has had some improvement. he is now on 2 Prascind tablets, and in cloud boots. I have also had his feed balanced by Carol Layton and am following her advice. Just realised I need to rinse the speedibeet pre and post soaking..ugh always something to learn. 

He is still sore though and walks stiff legged. Wondering if there is something wrong or that we could imporve with his trim. Would it be possible to get some advice about this? 

I have him on devils claw too, understand that there aren't many other recommended options? 

thank you very much for any advice 
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Mandy C, Macedon Australia, 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mandy%20and%20Fizzie
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271974
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=271974


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This is a high volume group that can be difficult to follow. Help make it easier for everyone by following the Message Posting Guidelines below:
1) Sign your posts. This is a very large group.  Whenever posting a message, identify yourself and your equine by using your full ECIR Signature with your first name, location, the date you joined and the links to your Case History folder and Photo Album. The volunteers need all this information to provide quality responses and suggestions for local support, vendors, vets and hoof care. 
 
2) Be clear in your posts. If you need to quote a line this is most easily done using the web to reply (not from email). Once you have the message you want to reply to on your screen, copy the text you want quoted, then paste it into the reply message composer.  Highlight the text you are quoting and then click on the quotation marks in the toolbar.  
3) Be considerate of the Support Team. They volunteer to help members in their spare time. Many have full time jobs. Unless you are in an emergency read the Start Here Files and check the archives to see if your question has been answered before.  Many new member's questions are answered there.
4) Discussion should always take place on the forums so all members can learn from the conversation and the support team can help clear up confusion.  
5)  Try not to hijack threads.  Start a New Message or change the subject line to discuss issues not covered by the subject line.
6) Don't immediately re-post.  Give “missing” posts a few hours before reposting. For unanswered messages, be patient. A lack of response is not personal or a reflection on you in any way. With so many posts some do get missed. Unless in an emergency situation, wait roughly 48 hours before re-posting and edit the subject line with "2nd Try". 
7) Off-topic but horse-related discussions: ECIR Horsekeeping Forum provides a place to discuss issues involving non-PPID/EMS horses, general horse keeping practices, other equine health issues, alternative therapies and any equine related philosophical debates.
8) All discussion about horses with PPID and EMS takes place in the ECIR Forum. Hoof related discussion for horses that do not have PPID/EMS takes place in the ECIR Hoof Forum
 Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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Re: Palatable Copper and Zinc

 

Hi, Ann,
Are you saying you tried Uckele Poly Copper Pellets and Poly Zinc Pellets without success? Uckele Poly Copper Pellets and PolyZinc Pellets and California Trace are the most palatable trace minerals I know. 

Getting him to eat the carrier all by itself is your obvious first step. Have you tried Nuzu Stabul1 as a carrier? RSR beet pulp + Stabul 1? ODTBC + Stabul1? Did you try just a teaspoon of the pellets in a carrier your horse will eat and gradually increase the minerals? 

I had to divide my ulcer-prone Diamond's daily minerals in half for a couple of months. I gave her ¼  in the morning and ¼ in the afternoon. Eventually I tapped into a carrier that she ate. When I started feeding my other horse RSR Beet Pulp, I was shocked to find that Diamond wanted BP too. Her weight isn't a problem, so she now gets a pound of BP with two cups of Stabul1 in the evening with her minerals. 

Getting the ulcers treated should make this easier. FWIW, I continued to treat Diamond for ulcers for about 2 ½ months to try to make sure they were healed. Even so, I had to treat her a second time about 6 months later. 

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Pre-trim pictures for Bugsy have been uploaded - requesting mark ups from Lavinia

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Judy,

That HAS been a brutal winter. Brrrr...

I have the photos. Will get the mark-ups out in time for the upcoming farrier appointment.

--
Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Palatable Copper and Zinc

Ann Conn
 

Who sells the most palatable copper ad/or zinc, 
preferably pellets?  He generally doesn't like powders. I tried both from California Trace then 
from Uckele without success. Cannot imagine what would get him to eat it, but currently he isn't eating anything except giant Bermuda from California. No TC naturals balanced cubes with CA trace plus and flax, etc. I am getting his pergolide down, but no supplements/minerals. I'm hoping it's because he's been on ulcer meds for a month and now that's over
he'll go back to eating other stuff, but that doesn't solve the copper/zinc problem. 
Any suggestions appreciated. 
Ann Conn and Azeem
central Texas.  2016

 

 

 


Re: New-ish Member questions

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Rene,

Good that Kathleen is balancing your hay.  Yes, you should retest ACTH this spring along with the insulin as that will provide a more accurate reading than doing the test in the fall. If he does need Prascend you want to start before the rise, not try to catch up during it.  Please note that you have the date for your ACTH testing as April 6th of last year, not in the fall - is that date not correct?




Re: Stupid questions I am too embarrassed to ask or go against the status quo

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jennifer,

If you want to stop J-herb you don't need to taper it, just stop.  Many people use Spirulina and J-herb at the same time so no need to worry overlapping them.


 


Re: New-ish Member questions

Mialisa@...
 

Thank you Cindy. I have read most of this information in the last year, but I need to keep re-reading as there is just so much information. I will be updating the ponies Case Histories. I appreciate the guidance. It is so needed and helpful.
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Rene` in WI 2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Isaac
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Rene%60%20and%20Joshua

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