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Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

@SarahNJ
 

If anyone needs them in central New Jersey, Hemlock Hill Farm in Colts Neck has them in stock.

(And this is my first post to the ECIR group. I've been reading and learning and am greatly appreciative for the wealth of knowledge and experience here!)

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Sarah | Central New Jersey, USA | 2021
Wizard Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sarah%20and%20Wizard
Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=272064  


Re: Invokana consult please Dr K

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The alternate day dosing often doesn't work. You can start with 150 mg daily but might need more. Yes, the glucose and insulin are much more important than the TGs. Put the Musli back in with an amount that doesn't put your mixture of BP and Musli over 10% and do not restrict hay. I would continue Jiaogulan but stop AAKG.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: arthritis meds

Melanie Pewe
 

Thanks Dr K. 

Yes - I joined wayyy back in the early 2000s with my IR mare Peaches. My current 28 year old gelding Alex has been PPID for several years and my vet did not want to give him any more pergolide so recommended the cypro.  He will have bloodwork again in a few weeks and I will hopefully be able to get her (vet) to drop the cypro and up  he pergolide dose.

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Melanie
North Dakota 
2005?


Re: Deworming Question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

The double dose Strongid paste should be repeated in two weeks.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Compounding Pharmacies - Avrio

Melanie Pewe
 

Ive used them for many many years for 2 horses.  A short time they couldn't ship to ND and I used Pet Health.  Only good things to report from TP.
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Melanie
North Dakota 
2005?


Re: Gabapentin

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Cold also causes insulin peaks so depending on what her insulin status was that could be a problem. No data in the case history since 2018.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Compounding Pharmacies - Avrio

Melanie Pewe
 

Much of the price difference depends on quantities ordered and the strength.
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Melanie
North Dakota 
2005?


Hay analysis ready for evaluation

Jean
 

I have received my hay analysis and have posted in the Case History (photos)
thank you
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Jean Hinrichsen WI 2022
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Jean%20and%20Merlin
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273256


Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

Aurelio Henriques
 

Hi,
    Deliveries were delayed mostly due to rail line issues (extreme low temperatures). These have now subsided and a many loads have been delivered to the distribution centers in the US. Trucking is still an issue and freight rates are at an all time high (I am sure you have seen it reflected on the prices), but we are getting trucks and the product is moving. You should see availability at the stores improve quickly.

Aurelio
Ontario Dehy, Goderich, Canada 
Aurelio Henriques
Ontario Dehy Inc.
On 03/21/2022 12:33 PM, jenilmt via groups.io wrote:

Same here...called around to 3 + areas in CT and MA...all are out now and saying there is trouble getting things from Canada right now. One person thought they heard truckers were needed to get load that are sitting in Detroit, but could just be rumor. Finding Speedi beet has been difficult, many are out of that as well.
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Jeni
Northeast USA, Joined way back on Yahoo (so long ago, I can't remember!)
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Files
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273101 


Re: Confused about Devil's Claw

Starshine Ranch
 

Jean,
I saw your post about Herbalcom charging $17.95/lb.  I buy mine, by Bulk Supplements, on Amazon for $36.51 including tax for 2.2 lbs and free shipping if you have Prime.  Might save you a bit on the shipping.
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Linda in CA  2020  Midnight and Ostara
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Linda%20Midnight%20OStara


Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

jenilmt@...
 

Same here...called around to 3 + areas in CT and MA...all are out now and saying there is trouble getting things from Canada right now. One person thought they heard truckers were needed to get load that are sitting in Detroit, but could just be rumor. Finding Speedi beet has been difficult, many are out of that as well.
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Jeni
Northeast USA, Joined way back on Yahoo (so long ago, I can't remember!)
CaseHistory@ECIR.groups.io | Files
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=273101 


Re: Deworming Question

Pamela Swartz
 

We’ve moved to Port Angeles, WA and I need to deworm soon. Days are warming up and earth is moist. So to be clear, 1 dose of ivermectin (whew, prices are nuts!), wait 3 weeks then double dose of Strongid and then we are good? 

Didn’t deworm in the fall as we came from dusty, parched, hot, nothing will live if it touches the ground Northern California. I need to change my signature line as Miss Vinda has passed and I still have my other 3 horses (1 PPID/IR, 1 PPID, 1 IR). All doing extremely well on meds and tested, low sugar hay and balanced minerals. 
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Pamela Swartz/Vinda, the most awesome Icelandic
Nevada City, CA


Re: Gabapentin

Andrea Richter
 

Thank you Dr Kellon. I have been following the ECIR protocol, but I don’t seem to be alone as my vet says there has been a significant number of cases recently. There is no grass in sight as we still have at least 2 feet of snow on the ground. It has been extremely cold (-20 C highs -30 C lows), lots of snow and lots of storms. Not sure how that factors into it, but a common factor.

My pony in question does not appear to have cold induced laminitis as her feet are always warm. She appears to be mainly off loading her hind hooves and shows stabbing like pain reactions. She also trembles in the hind end. I will build her a case. 

I will discuss Tramadol with my vet. I am also asking for an assessment of EMND as she appears to be showing signs to me and had not been on pasture aside for some short spurts with a grazing muzzle on last summer. 

Thanks



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Andrea
January 2018, Winnipeg MB
Uma’s Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Andrea%20and%20Uma


moderated Re: WAS: Devil's Claw NOW: Scotty's feet

Nancy C
 

Hi Deb.  Keep thinking about Scotty and wanted to suggest you review posts to you from December.

Both Dr Kellon and your vet suggested bringing his heels down leaving the front half of the bottom of the foot alone.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/272127

I was at my Chiro and Muscle Therapist appt today and could not help but compare my aging body (I'm gonna be 70 this year) and it's quirks to what your Scotty, and my Skip and Beau went through. In the last almost five years I became collateral damage from dealing with my husband's journey through kidney failure.  We are all good now, so no worries. Once I could relax about my husband, I realized how messed up I was. I could barely walk to the end of our property line without issue, never mind do farm chores or ride or even do ground work. I needed a diagnosis and therapy to get my bones and soft tissues back to where they should be, and in working order. Good news is, I can function pretty much as I should now as a result. Horses, gardening, farm work. I'll probably need a new knee eventually, but not yet.

In the above thread, your vet recommends lowering his heels slowly and that is what we did for my Beau (IR/PPID). For Skip (PPID) it was the long toe and bringing the heels back so the foot was underneath him. It allows for the interior of the foot and the body above it to adapt to correct function. 

They have been standing this way a long time.  It needs to be a constant removal over time. IME, slow and steady is the pace so he can adapt to new positions without body stress. You have to not only remove the excess but stay on top of the new growth. That is hard on a four-week cycle. If you go too far too fast, you may cause soft tissue pain as he adapts, but if that happens, you can help him through it, IME. Grooming and massaging is important. Hand walking if he is happy and willing.

Sorry to be long-winded.  Thanks for reading.

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Nancy C in NH
ECIR Moderator 2003
ECIR Group Inc. President/Treasurer  2021-2022



Re: Ruby again (Houdini)

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Sue,

You need to look at ESC+ starch when you look at a hay test.  Did you get those results for your hay test?  Where did you send the hay to be tested and was it done via NIR or wet chem?




Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

Robin
 

Thanks Dr. Kellon
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Robin
Joined May 21, 2018
Location: Sanibel, Island / Southwest Florida
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Magnus


Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

DawnC
 

All Southern States in Delaware ran out and we unable to get them since the beginning of February. My Southern States kept after Triple Crown and we got our first shipment in last week. It took a month & a half, and I was almost out of mine. Try to "nag" your feed store maybe they can speed up the process or contact Triple Crown.

Hopefully they will be coming your way soon,

Dawn & Roma
Middletown, DE
August 2011


Invokana consult please Dr K

Shelley Carr
 

Hi

I'm a little concerned about Widgey's blood results and a couple of changes I've noticed in the last few months.

We noticed a bit of weight gain and runny eyes in January and a bit of fat pad on his back that we hadn't seen since the start of Invokana.  The January blood tests showed:

CK 827 iu/l (<433)
Glucose 6.1 mmo1/1 (<0.7)
TGs 1.59 mmo1/1 (<0.7)
Insulin 136 mIu/1 (<32)

He was clinically well and sound and in good spirits.  The only change had been adding a small handful of Agrobs musli in to his sugar beet twice a day as we finally got the mins and vits balanced to the hay and he stopped eating his sugar beet with the mins and vits in.  I stopped the Musli (which is just over 10 ESC and starch) and also slightly reduced the amount of hay he was getting.

We retested last week and his insulin had gone down to 116 but the TGs and glucose were up.  He has lost the small bit of weight he gained and the vet is happy with his weight but we both noticed that his crest feels a bit fuller (still soft compared to how it used to be).  His eyes are still a bit runny which we thought might be to do with the PPID.  We increased his prascend to 1.5 tablets in the Autumn and his ACTH is well controlled.

The blood results are in the album and the lastest (from last week) are:

CK 773 iu/l (<433)
Glucose 6.8 mmo1/1 (<0.7)
TGs 1.9 mmo1/1 (<0.7)
Insulin 116 mIu/1 (<32)

His AST is also slightly high but only 20 iu/l over the reference range.

He is currently on 225mg Invokana every other day.  His weight is 310kg/ 683lbs.  He is sound and goes for walks 3 times a week and in the school once or twice. The questions we (me and the vet) have are:

1) Should we go up to 150mg every day? 
2) Are high glucose and insulin more of a concern than high TGs?  I can't get any more sugar beet into him!
3) Is there a point where we expect him to balance out? - i.e. the insulin remain controlled.
4) You suggested I put him on J herb for winter given previous winter laminitis.  I added J herb and AAKG.  Should I stop giving them now the weather is better?

Many thanks in advance for your time.

Shelley




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Shelley C, Wiltshire UK 2021

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Shelley%20and%20Widgey


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Re: Timothy Balance Cubes

Nancy Kitchen
 

It's been hit or miss in Massachusetts. We have been told the same, no availability off and on.  
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Nancy K
Smoke and Tucky
November 2018, Southeast, MA

Smoke Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Smoke
Smoke Photo Album:    https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=94122
Tucky Case History:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Nancy%20and%20Tuck 
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Re: Hoof pain

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Don't worry about more testing, just start the metformin.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001

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