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Re: auto hay feeder info needed
Maxine- Thanks. I keep forgetting to look at other groups. I'll do that.
-- Ronelle and Yoyo 2015 Bend, Or, US
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Re: Unexpected very high insulin on low carb feeds—Dr. Kellon
Mary- Have you called Haystack directly about the Teff pellets? If not, their phone number is on their website. One of the owners is a vet. They've been very helpful with me. If you've already tried this, I apologize for being redundant. Also, where in the PNW are you?
-- Ronelle and Yoyo 2015 Bend, Or, US
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Re: Unexpected very high insulin on low carb feeds—Dr. Kellon
Sherry Morse
Hi Mara, You don't need to go back to 2006 but doing a current history from now going forward will help us help you.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Re: Metformin Added/Not Eating Food
Sherry Morse
Hi Jamie, I think you have your answer - the metformin being given in his food is obviously not going to work for him. I would recommend syringing with the milk of magnesia and then making sure you rinse his mouth and wipe off his lips as Cass recommended. Given that he's a picky eater and he now thinks you poisoned him it may take him a bit to get back to eating his bucket feed on a regular basis, but he still should be getting the metformin regardless.
Thanks, Sherry and Scutch (and Scarlet over the bridge) EC Primary Response PA 2014 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Sherry%20and%20Scutch_Scarlet https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=78891
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Re: Unexpected very high insulin on low carb feeds—Dr. Kellon
quatzie_baby@...
Mara --
I have extra low carb hay, I lost my Cushing horse in February. I hay extra hay tested to be under 10% sugar and starch. If your in the Salem, Oregon area/or near please contact me. I am more that willing to sell you a some to get you by. It's Valley Grass Mix. You can e-mail me @ quatzie_baby@... if your interested. Beet pulp and Haystack Low carb low fat pellets are also very helpful. Wishing you the best --
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Re: auto hay feeder info needed
I forgot to write that the auto feeder must do hay.
-- Ronelle and Yoyo 2015 Bend, Or, US
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Vetoryl
Kimberly
My DVM is requesting information on Vetoryl in laminitis cases that have trouble with Prascend. Mouse, our horse has been successfully on Prascend since 2017 but we are currently fighting what is believed to be a hoof abcess. He has been very lame on RF for over a week, DP medial side. Using epson salt soaks, Ichtammol wrapped boot. His hay is safe (we grow our own and test) and is on Stable 1, soaked beet pulp, flax. magnesium. We did blood work in 2017 and he was marginal IR. Did blood work last week and are awaiting results. Very concerned that if this abcess does not blow we will have laminitis develop. Any help appreciated.
-- Kimberly joined 7.17.2018 Virginia
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Re: We lost Alley...
I'm so very sorry Annette.
-- Joy and Willie (EC/IR) Nevada County, CA - 2019 Case history: Willie's Case History Willie's photo album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275142
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Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please
Thank you Lavinia, I'll get a body shot when I go this morning.
I am hoping to get a big load of good hay this summer and will have that balanced. I only have about 12 bales left of the hay I'm currently feeding, would it be worthwhile to have it balanced? I will also talk to my vet about the pergolide and using capsules instead. Thank you again, so much!! Joy -- Joy and Willie (EC/IR) Nevada County, CA - 2019 Case history: Willie's Case History Willie's photo album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275142
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Is there safe foraging in a Paradise Paddock?
Hello! I'm moving my crew of 6 to a new property and planning for a track system based on the "paradise Paddock" methodology. Is this a safe idea for an IR horse, ....would a muzzle be required?
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Re: Unexpected very high insulin on low carb feeds—Dr. Kellon
Trisha DePietro
Hi Mary. If I were you, I would still start a case history from where you are today and get it uploaded. Especially now that you have found a possible food source. If things change dramatically again and other issues pop up, your case history will be here, with current information and your new feeding regemin outlined. I don't doubt your horse is an outlier....all the more reason to get his/her current case history established. I don't think any of us volunteers want you to remember or agonize over 16 years of success!!! But current state is important to record, track and trend.
-- Trisha DePietro Aug 2018 NH Dolly and Hope's Case Histories Dolly's Photos Hope's Photos Primary Responder
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Re: auto hay feeder info needed
Ronelle, there have been a lot of messages about these on the Horsekeeping group too. I just searched using "automatic" and there were a number of threads.
-- Maxine and Indy (PPID) and Dangles (PPID) Canberra, Australia 2010 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Maxine%20and%20Indy%20and%20Dangles
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Re: auto hay feeder info needed
Lorin
Equine automation
-- Lorin in NH and SC. Joined September 2016
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Re: Unexpected very high insulin on low carb feeds—Dr. Kellon
Well, I think I figured it out. Teff hay pellets w/ R/S/S BP.
Will need to test the teff pellets, try to find Haystack, as they have flax & BP added. Will need to find mineral balancing for the high iron. There is no way I can recall the level of detail to properly recover my lost history of 16 years with the degree of detail & accuracy required. I’m sorry. I have a PPID Ir horse who has done amazingly well using this program… 2006 on our signature is for real. -- Mara & Ally 2006 PNW
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Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please
Hi Joy,
Glad to hear that Willie is doing better. Thanks for adding the 2015 rads - it's helpful to see what the bony column situation is there. Good that you have rasping the toes back as that really needed to happen. Can you please get a photo of his entire body from the side so I can see how he's standing overall? I can get something out for you in time for the Thur (May 19) trim. Given that this is the time of the year when ACTH is at its lowest, a result of 26pg/ml is OK but we recommend getting (and keeping) it in the upper teens to low twenties to have really good control. As Willie is a QH, it's likely the ACTH is playing a part in keeping his insulin up higher than it should be. It looks like you are using compounded liquid pergolide. We don't recommend that as it can lose potency from the time you start that bottle to the time you finish it up. Pergolide in capsule from maintains its potency much better. An insulin of 26uIu on soaked, low ESC+starch hay and no grass is not great, although it is below the threshold for acute laminitis. It's a huge improvement over his having been diabetic at this time last year tho. The emergency diet, which is basically what he's still on, is not meant to be used long term as the likelihood that it's sufficiently mineral balanced is almost nil. He really needs to have the minerals balanced to the hay analysis so that all the excesses and deficiencies can be addressed. -- Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR) Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge Jan 05, RI Moderator ECIR
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Re: auto hay feeder info needed
Frances C
Think Tracy ((and Salsa) in Tenessee merber of this group posted about a feeder she was using
-- - Frances C. December 2017, Washington & California Case history: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Frances%20and%20Phoenix Phoenix's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=12382
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Re: Question - laminitis or too much trim?
For context I should note we’ve had a terribly wet winter and spring.
-- Pat August 2020 Metro Vancouver BC Canada Case: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Pat%20and%20Willow Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=253325
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Re: We lost Alley...
So sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved Alley. Big hugs to you.
-- Heather August 5, 2017, Brandon, Manitoba, Canada Riosa https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=8819 Case History
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Heather%20and%20Storm
https://ecir.groups.io/g/Hoof/album?id=10181&p=pcreated,,,20,2,0,0
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Re: 31 yr old mare newly diagnosed PPID/IR
Thanks Dr Kellon. I have sent you an email regarding the study. I will be glad to participate. As I wrote in the email, I know Vandy will be a picky eater when it comes to the meds. Any advice on APF & what I need to get to help her in that way?
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Re: 31 yr old mare newly diagnosed PPID/IR
-- Hi Sherry
Oh so many questions!!!
I will try very hard to answer them all.
*I have not started her on any meds. My husband’s mother had been very sick this month & died this past Saturday. So I haven’t made time to get things going.
*Yes. She is right at 14.2.
*Yes. She’s was on Previcox from right after Christmas until a couple weeks ago. I took her off when I knew we were going to do another blood test. and I haven’t started it back.
*I am not weighing her hay daily but I will start. She doesn’t eat much. More like 2-4 lbs each nite.
*Hay is not being soaked.
The Bermuda (4.6%esc+starch)
(Fe 137ppm) &
Bahai (4.9%esc+starch)
(Fe 100ppm)
have been tested & are both acceptable. I have not tested her Timothy hay. It is the Standlee compressed bales.
*I need to balance again but I am going by previous tests that were actually higher than my current tests. I also balance to the grasses she eats, especially in the summer. her pastures were tested a few years ago.
*She eats between 1-2lbs beet pulp/day - when she wants to eat it! It is R/S/R - and rinsed again until the water is clear.
*I am feeding her at least 4 lbs Standlee Timothy pellets. I’ve been cutting back on the TC Senior to just 2 cups sprinkled on top of her supplements. She also gets at least 4 lbs TC Timothy Balance Cubes.
It will be very hard to stop her Timothy pellets as she quids most all hay except alfalfa. But I am not feeding alfalfa.
*X-rays-She has had her ski-tips forever. Like since her first X-rays were done almost 20 years ago! Her toes have been brought back since those X-rays were taken. I am her farrier. She had her clogs on at that time & I was leaving them on a bit longer than usual because she was so comfortable in them.
*I will go with Dr Kellons advice & start her on Pergolide & take her off grass before I start the Metformin. I sent her an email regarding the study.
Thanks, Mary & Vandy May 2022, Holden, Louisiana Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Mary%20and%20Vandy . Vandy's Photo Album: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275053 .
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