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Re: Giving Invokana

Gymah
 

Does it matter if it’s given at the same time as Prascend? 


Is there any contraindication to crushing it and giving it in a syringe? 
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Re: Vetoryl

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kimberly,

NIR testing can be off by up to 30% from Wet Chem so you definitely want to soak hay until you can run wet chem tests on the new hay.  Did you save the Case History form with a title like "Horse Name Case History"?  If so, you can do a search for the name and should be able to find where you saved it that way. Also check your trash file in case you accidentally deleted it.  



Re: Vetoryl

Kimberly
 

Hi Sherry, we are waiting on bloodwork so will not change anything until we have it. He did have hay before blood was pulled but not for four hours worth.  He had hay for about 1 1/2 before the vet arrived.   Will stop EQuioxx.  We use NIR testing I think.  We core drill dry samples and send to Equi-Analytical.  Yes, we rinse, soak, rinse beet pulp.  He should weigh around 900-950.  His hay is weighed and he gets 15-17 lbs a day.  He is a bit thin but has had fatty pockets over the last few years that seem to stay.  He weighs around 950 with a weight tape.  I spent the last several hours finishing my CH and when I went to upload it, it disappeared.  I cannot find it.  It only will open with a new form.  Do you know how I can recover it?  I still need to upload xrays from last week and can take pictures of the Hinds as we have both fronts padded and wrapped at the moment.  
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Kimberly joined 7.17.2018 Virginia


Re: Dually Top Line

Kim Leitch
 

I added two more photos of Dually. He measures 935 lbs. I think the fact that his gut hides his ribs has fooled me. Can I give him a dose of Quest while he is on Strongid C2X?
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Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Dually: IR; Grits and Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related)

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314

Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Dually https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9046&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Bella https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64978




Re: Balancing TC Naturals Timothy Hay Balancer Cubes - Vermont Blend?

Sherry Morse
 

Robin,

The Triple Crown Naturals Timothy Balance Cubes are balanced to themselves.  You only need to add salt, vitamin E and flax to them, no need for any other supplements to balance them. Do make sure you're feeding at a 3:4 ratio to hay (ie: if he was eating 5lbs of hay he should be eating 3.75lbs of cubes). 




Re: Mare diagnosed with EMS/IR

Lisa <lavoiestuff@...>
 

Sherry

correct on the the feed time. 

thanks for the info on way to get her trimmed. 

we will try that approach. 

and I will start DC. 

thank you
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Lisa M Lavoie
May 2022, Anderson CA

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Balancing TC Naturals Timothy Hay Balancer Cubes - Vermont Blend?

Robin
 

I have switch over to TC Naturals Timothy Hay Balancer Cubes for his emergency diet. He loves them! I hope that's not a bad thing - the tests on this sit appear to show it tests well below 10 ESC + Starch.

I want to balance his diet. He's currently getting the hay cubes + salt + vitamin E + flax seed + Laminox.

Would adding Vermont Blend be a good choice to balance minerals and make this a complete balanced diet?
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Robin

Aiken, SC 2022

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Hogan  
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Re: Welsh 18 year old pony mare (copied message)

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Jaime,

There's not necessarily a ratio of hay to beet pulp unless you're not able to soak hay.  If you can soak hay - you want to figure out how much she should be eating per day and then use a minimal amount of beet pulp to get supplements in and the balance should be hay.  

You want to feed 1.5% of current weight or 2% of ideal weight - whichever is greater.  As an example - if she's currently 600lbs and her ideal weight is 500lbs you would do some calculating and see 1.5% of 600lbs is 9lbs and 2% of 500lbs is 10lbs so she should eat 10lbs per day TOTAL.  So if you feed 1lb of beet pulp the other 9lbs would be hay. 

Beet pulp should be rinsed/soaked/rinsed.  




Re: Source for tested hay in New Jersey?

@SarahNJ
 

I have another source to add to the list for anyone looking: 

Reynolds Hay Straw and Feed in Bordentown, NJ carries western timothy from Anderson. The hay is organized by lot number and is analyzed by Anderson Hay (based in Washington). I independently tested a few bales of hay from the same lot number through Equi-Analytical and the numbers were consistent with the analysis I was provided. The folks at Reynolds are very helpful, as was the person I spoke with from Anderson. 

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Sarah | Central New Jersey, USA | 2021
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Re: 31 yr old mare newly diagnosed PPID/IR

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Mary,

One of the ways you can tell how much hay is being eaten is to weigh it before you put it out and then weigh whatever's left after 12 or 24 hours.  If you do that for a few days you should be able to get a good idea of what is being consumed and it'll probably be pretty consistent from day to day.

If you feed the Timothy Balance Cubes they are balanced to themselves and only need salt (yes iodized), vitamin E and flax added in.  If you're still using hay you'd want to balance that and CA Trace may or may not be appropriate depending on test results.




Re: Welsh 18 year old pony mare (copied message)

Jjmnelson123@...
 

Thank you for this wonderful info, I am changing her diet asap and ordering the prascend, until I can get hay anilized I'd like to give the soaked beet pulp with soaked hhay-if I usually give her 10 lbs of hay a day is the ratio 6lbs of hay 1 lb of bp a day?
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Jaime Nelson 
Berlin, WI 2022


Re: Dually Top Line

Kim Leitch
 

Dr. Kellon, he was on Triamino while on the February hay. He is on 50:50 new hay and February hay now. I've upped his TCTBC by 1/2 lb., too.


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Kim 10-2014

Clover, SC

Dually: IR; Grits and Bella: PPID, IR; and Eeyore (deceased, but not PPID related)

Case History https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Kim%20and%20Grits%20-%20Eeyore%20-%20Dually

Photo album Grits https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=1314

Photo album Eeyore https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6586&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Dually https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=9046&p=Name,,,20,1,0,0
Photo album Bella https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=64978




Re: 31 yr old mare newly diagnosed PPID/IR

HBRancher
 

Hi Sherry

 

*Prascend & APF have been ordered & should be here by the weekend. 

*I will update the CH accordingly. 

*I have always used EquiAnalytical Test 603. I will add those results as soon as I can. 

*She has a wonderful equine dentist at LSU Vet School who has helped me keep her teeth in great shape for her age. She always has hay available to her 24/7. She “plays” with it. It’s really difficult to tell how much of it she actually eats. 

*I have also always fed California Trace Plus not only to balance the Cu & Zn to Fe in her hay & pasture but for the extra amino acids, iodine, & yeast for digestion. You are telling me that is no longer necessary??  If so, should I add iodized salt instead of plain white?  And extra methionine & lysine also?

Thanks, 
Mary & Vandy

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Mary
May 2022,  Holden, Louisiana
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vitamin E

Marion Wheaton
 

I am wondering about vitamin E and if you can feed to much?
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Marion Wheaton
Woodland Utah 84036


Re: Mare diagnosed with EMS/IR

Sherry Morse
 

Unless I missed something you just started switching her to the cubes 3 days ago, isn't that right?  I wouldn't hesitate to get her started on the DC to help with her comfort level.  As far as trimming you can trim without picking her feet up if you can put her feet up on a block of wood or put her in soft ground that will allow some give as she's trimmed from above (which most likely is all that should be happening now).  Doing nerve blocks will also allow trimming to take place if needed but I would try the less invasive versions first.

Evidence of pain right now could be insulin, trim, diet or abscess - it's hard to say and makes things very difficult for us as the humans.




Re: Vetoryl

Sherry Morse
 

Hi Kimberly,

You won't know if Metformin is indicated until you get your bloodwork results back.  We consider a horse with PPID well controlled when ACTH is in the lower 20s/upper teens at this time of year when ACTH is still at its lowest.  If your test results are higher than that or out of the reference range that's an indication that dosage of Prascend needs to be increased.  

For an IR horse we like to see insulin in the low teens with unfasted (hay only) testing.  Insulin over 80 is almost always associated with laminitis.  

Glucose usually will fall in the reference range unless a horse is diabetic which is very rare but does happen in some horses with out of control untreated IR. 

When you test your hay are you using Wet Chem or NIR testing?  Are you rinse/soak/rinsing your beet pulp?  How much should your horse weigh and how much does he weigh now?  How much is he eating?  I'm not sure who told you Equioxx isn't a NSAID but it most definitely is.  (From the BI site: EQUIOXX is a COXIB class non-steroidal anti-inflammatory for horses)

If you're administering it to help with pain relief it will not help with pain due to elevated insulin and if you are dealing with an abscess it will slow mobilization of the abscess so should be stopped ASAP. 

Getting your CH completed and current trim pictures will be very helpful for us to help you.




Re: Vetoryl

Kimberly
 

thanks Bobbie, I think I answered all of your questions under Dr. Kellon's post.  I am new to this so please bear with me.  I am trying to get my files uploaded but am a bit overwhelmed.  I appreciate the response.  Kimberly
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Re: Vetoryl

Kimberly
 

thanks Sherry, We are not having trouble with Prascend, just exploring options.  We are increasing his dose today by 1/2 pill.  He does fine on it.  We are thinking laminitis not abcess at this point.  
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Re: Vetoryl

Kimberly
 

thank you Dr. Kellon.  We hope to have bloodwork back today.   Can you tell me what numbers we should have to be safe for ACTH, Insulin and Glucose?  My vet just left and the abcess has not popped and we have pulses in both fronts.  She wanted me to ask if we should try Metformin?  I am hoping I can answer all of the questions from my original post in this one.  We grow our own hay and we test it so know the ESC is below 10% He was trimmed last Wednesday.  I started soaking hay this am as we know suspect laminitis and not an abcess.  He is on one Prascend and we hope to have blood work from Cornell today.  He gets soaked  molasses free beet pulp, Stable 1 feed, flax, vitamin E, and iodized salt and magnesium.  We should probably have hay balanced once we get this first cutting in.  We use Equi-Analytical in NY for our hay.  He is currently on one Equiox per day for pain, which is not an NSAID.  I received the paperwork yesterday to begin to load his history.  I have xrays from 2017 last week to upload.  Thank you so much and yes, I am a bit overwhelmed.  Kimberly 
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Re: Mare diagnosed with EMS/IR

Lisa <lavoiestuff@...>
 

Thank you Sherry

Yes I agree on her current weight and body condition. I will monitor her weight as we go along on the cubes. 

I will request blood work in the recommended time frame. My concern at this point it’s getting to the 3week point. What is your experience as to how long before seeing improvements once on approved diet? 

She is so unstable on her hind quarters at this time and I am not certain my farrier is even going to be able to get her trimmed on Friday. And I know how crucial this is for healing. 

Also, I have not yet put her on devils claw because I’m so afraid of any change that will exacerbate her condition. 
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Lisa M Lavoie
May 2022, Anderson CA

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