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locked Re: Equithrive?

 

Wow, Deb.  Thanks for filling us in on how much Equithrive is helping .Scotty.  That’s such great news!
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


L-Phenylalanine and L-Tyrosine

Qhgirl
 

Do L-Phenylalanine and or L-Tyrosine offer any benefit to a PPID horse? 
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Janet and Chicy
Chester SC
09/17/2021
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Janet%20and%20Chicy
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=268334


Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please

Joy V
 

Well, she was really nice about agreeing to look at the markups and the written information for each that Lavinia provided, but she read about one paragraph and looked at 3 pictures total.  She brought the toes back much further this time, she took out a bunch of sole which will make him sore for awhile, she rasped the hoof wall when she did the LF (?!) and then started cutting on the frog on his RF and that's when I strenuously objected. 

She seems to be more like a farrier than a bare foot trimmer, if that makes any sense.  This weekend I'll compare the markups to his feet, see how far off the trim still is and try to fix whatever I can.  She said she understood what needed to be done but she clearly did not.

I need to find someone else and then I'll fire this one.  I feel badly for my horse.  But he has on boots and pads on all 4 (foam for now Lavinia, but I've ordered the cloud pads like you recommended) and he has 2 spots in his paddock that are deeply bedded so he can stand in those if he's uncomfortable and I've got game cameras on him, so I can check and see how much he's using bedding piles.

Lavinia, thank you again for your time and expertise.  I'm so disappointed that she could not be bothered to actually look at what you provided.  It's frustrating.

Joy


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Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  Willie's Case History
Willie's photo album:  Willie's Photos


Re: majestic trh

 
Edited

Sorry, LJ, I didn’t see your earlier post.
If you’re hoping for comments on Majestic’s bloodwork results, based on Dr. Kellon’s study, I would suggest taking a deep breath.  First you have to line up all your participants and then you need to wait for all their data to come in before you can begin your analysis.  You may well be the first data point in the study.  I really have no idea but I wouldn’t wait for the project to be completed before deciding on my next move.

As you know, the study is being done because we don’t really know what to expect from a TRH stim test once the horse is on pergolide.  It appears that you haven’t increased his pergolide since starting him on it 3.5 years ago.  If he were mine, I think I would increase the pergolide a bit, wait three weeks and then test both insulin and ACTH (TRH stim) again.  If that pergolide increase lowers his insulin, I would consider it a win.  It’s not that high but that might be an effective way to determine if his pergolide is adequate.

Curious to hear other suggestions as well.

Oh, it would be very helpful if your recent bloodwork was in your case history.  Thanks!
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 


Re: majestic trh

LJ Friedman
 


-when will someone comment on Majestics lab work? He’s old? he could  Drop dead before I get a response-   just kidding, of course.  I’m thinking I’ll do nothing to keep things as they are unless Dr. kellon  suggest a different course. But I would appreciate since I did pay for the study of myself, a comment on the direction she would like me to take
blessings.
LJ Friedman  Nov 2014 Vista,   Northern  San Diego, CA

Jesse( over the rainbow) and majestic ‘s Case History 
Jesse's Photos

 


locked Re: Equithrive?

Deb Walker
 

Another positive side affect of Equithrive? When I was doing lots of research on this product, I noticed at least one statement from a horse owner that mentioned after starting Equithrive Original Joint Pellets that her horse's drippy eyes were no longer dripping. I took that with a grain of salt...but low and behold...I can report the same experience. Scotty has had drippy eyes the entire 19 years I have owned him. Even my vet's tech commented on his runny eyes the first time she was here, since she had worked in one of Scotty's boarding barns. No longer. Very little if any weepy eyes, and definitely not running down his face.
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Deb and Scotty I/R, PPID
Pecatonica Illinois, May 13, 2019
Case History:
 https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Deb%20and%20Scotty
Photos:
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=90619


Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please

Joy V
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon.  Will do!



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Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  Willie's Case History
Willie's photo album:  Willie's Photos


Re: Starting invokana Dr Kellon please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes - 1 gram/100 lbs of body weight once daily.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: ACTH question

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Martha,

I think the answer is we don't know.  We know some horses require continued dosage increase but exactly why that is the case is unclear. It may be that the adenoma continues to grow despite pergolide so takes more to control it. In other cases, it seems to just stop working but a switch to cabergoline is effective. More questions than answers.

I am fairly certain that the lower ACTH is going into the rise, the lower the increase will be. We know horses can be controlled even through the rise with medication - we've seen it.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please

Eleanor Kellon, VMD
 

Yes, let her start the trim then clean it up yourself.
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Eleanor in PA

www.drkellon.com 
EC Owner 2001


Re: Sleep deprivation, depression, decreased appetite...PPID related?

Stepht
 
Edited

Lyme disease is increasing in my state. The county to the south of us has 35 total confirmed cases, which isn't a lot at all in comparison to the eastern states, but definitely a lot for us.  Luckily we haven't had a huge tick problem in the last few years, but this spring they are awful!  And, at Katie's age, she has had plenty of ticks attach over the years.  Thank you for that suggestion and I will talk with vet about that!

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Stephanie Thomson August 2, 2016

 

Liberty, Missouri

Katie Case History

Katie Photo Album  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=6072

Katie Lab Values Folder  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Stephanie%20and%20Katie 


Re: Jiaogulan and Devil's Claw for Sunny

 
Edited

Hi, Susan.
We can and do combine Devil's Claw with Jiaogulan. It is not necessary to feed them at the same time. The issue a bit more subtle: whether Devil's Claw can interfere with the action of Jiaogulan. Please see this message from Dr Kellon, explaining that they can be used together when transitioning (off NSAIDs during the taper) and for acute pain. In combination, you need to make sure the Jiaogulan dose is sufficient.
https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/270969 
The combination is also used in controlling pain in equines with DSLD: https://ecir.groups.io/g/main/message/216345 

The reason for giving Jiaogulan 20 minutes before feed to for better absorption. If you need to know if it's working, look for pinker tongue and gums within an hour or so. If you can't tell or don't know, start over and introduce it after a day off. If the gums aren't pinker, increase the dose by ¼ or ½ teaspoon until you can see they are pinker. If Sunny has pink skin, IME it will be a lot easier to see if his gums are pinker than if he has black skin and gray gums. 

 I suggest that since Jiaogulan should be given 20 minutes before a meal that you feed it with a very small amount of a carrier, some moisture to help it stick and nothing else. I use about ¼ cup Stabul1. For years I added a drop of water to make the jiaogulan stick to the pellets. Recently I've used a drop of oil for the same purpose. 

Any horse in pain can be picky about supplements. I'm going through the same thing right now. Often it's the salt. An easy solution is to feed salt on hay that's been hosed. Sometimes you have to start over with supplements, introducing them one at a time to find the problem ingredient. You can divide supplements into two feedings, one AM, one PM, until your horse gets used to them. Also since you're syringing Metformin, check Sunny's mouth and lips for signs of ulcers or swelling.

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Cass, Sonoma Co., CA 2012
ECIR Group Moderator
Cayuse and Diamond Case History Folder                
Cayuse Photos                Diamond Photos


Re: Starting invokana Dr Kellon please

Suzy Berkowitz
 

Dr Kellon. The L-carnitine got here today. I want to confirm I’m just going to weigh out 4 grams and give daily. Thank you.
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Suzy in Fl 2020
Scout Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Suzy%20Scout
Scout Photos:  https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=260915


Jiaogulan and Devil's Claw for Sunny

Susan Carroll
 

There's so much here to absorb.  I'm re-reading the info on Jiaogulan and realize it is not to be given with Devil's Claw.  I have Sunny totally off all Nsaids, and have been giving him pure Devil's Claw.  I also started the Jiaogulan after his last trim.  What is the recommendation if both cannot be given together?  Also, is there a reason for giving the Jiaogulan 20 minutes before the meal, such as metabolizing or better absorption?  I have been syringing it with his metformin, then feeding.  He has quit eating anything that has a supplement on it or in the same pan as his feed.  Including his salt and ground flax.
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Susan C from GA 2022
Sunny Case History: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Susan%20and%20Sunny
Sunny Photos: https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=274055


Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please

Joy V
 

Thank you again Lavinia!


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Joy and Willie (EC/IR)
Nevada County, CA - 2019

Case history:  Willie's Case History
Willie's photo album:  Willie's Photos


Re: Attn Lavinia - Hoof markups request please

Lavinia Fiscaletti
 

Hi Joy,

Hard to say as it really depends on how the "bad" trim is done. If it doesn't back up the toes and lowers the heels, it would be worse. If it backs the toes somewhat, it's a step in the right direction.

Agree with Shrery on the "hooey". The fused pastern joints just need to be maintained at whatever angle they fused at - you can't make any changes to the palmer angle. That doesn't mean you ignore all the other mechanics for that leg, however, or you will be compounding the problems over time.

Hope the trimmer is open to learning how to effectively deal with these types of issues, as they are extremely common in varying degrees.

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Lavinia, George Too, Calvin (PPID) and Dinky (PPID/IR)
Nappi, George and Dante Over the Bridge
Jan 05, RI
Moderator ECIR


Re: Laminitis Spike

Robin
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon. I appreciate your guidance through all of this. It's been a very difficult time as you know. So happy to have this team to come to with questions.
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Robin

Aiken, SC 2022

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Hogan  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275012


Re: Laminitis Spike

Robin
 

Thank you Dr. Kellon. I appreciate your guidance through all of this. It's been a very difficult time as you know. So happy to have this team to come to with questions.
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Robin

Aiken, SC 2022

https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/files/Robin%20and%20Hogan  
https://ecir.groups.io/g/CaseHistory/album?id=275012


Re: Started Emergency Diet with Splenda & June - need guidance please

Adibrito
 

Thank you for pointing that out - I do have permission to present health/case history 👍 
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Angela D in TN 2022


Re: ACTH question

 

Hi Trisha,
I’ve wondered about this as well.  If you give more pergolide than needed, will that higher dose protect the horse as it needs more?  Or does the horse adapt to the dose it is given?  I feel like I never am able to express this question adequately so I’m not sure about any responses I’ve received.

But - the next rise technically begins in a month so it may be a moot point.
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Martha in Vermont
ECIR Group Primary Response
July 2012 
 
Logo (dec. 7/20/19), Tobit(EC) and Pumpkin, Handy and Silver (EC/IR)

Martha and Logo


 
 

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